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If your permanently living in Thailand then it's well worth the small effort to get your own

Yellow Book in my opinion as proof of registration of address.

It replaces the need for Certificates of Residence, issued free of charge and doesn't have any expiry date.

It's a 5 hour trip to my Immigration Office and there are reports that some offices have

now stopped issuing Certificates of Residence.

Here is just a few examples I found of it's use:

1. Annual extensions at Immigration

2. Buying a new vehicle.

3. Selling a vehicle.

4. Obtaining/renewing Driving Licences.

5. Renewing vehicle tax/insurance

6. Tax office registration

7. Opening store accounts

8. Opening bank accounts.

Rocketboy, i think you'll find that you cannot drive legally on a foreign licence, without having an IDP (valid 1 year only) accompanying it...and only if you are a tourist, and even then it has to be in english. If you have an accident, the insurance company will use that not to pay out.

IDP is not required provided home license is in English and has a photo.

Absolutely 100% wrong.

Will you get ticketed...maybe not, but you couldn't be more wrong.

Sorry, but stevenl is 100% correct.

Under the Geneva Convention Treaty, a foreign licence is legally accepted in Thailand provided it is written in English and has a photo, for the validity of that licence.

IDP's are required for those who's licences are not in English, because an IDP has translations in English within the booklet.

The problem as already mentioned is that nearly all Insurers will void any claim using a foreign licence or IDP after 3 months.

So for the first 3 months on a Visa exempt, Tourist Visa, or Non Imm O Visa your legal to drive with a home Country licence in English or an IDP.

After 3 months, your not classified as being a temporary visitor, so you then need a Thai licence in order to drive legally whilst being insured.

You may not have any issues until you have an accident, but then you may be liable for all costs to damage and injury.

Hi Faz:

Wow, so much hate and anger. You have a lot of problems to work out.

I don't know you (and I don't want to) but I think you need some loving in your life.

One clue: When you wake up in the morning, it will help if you say to yourself: "I will greet this day with love in my heart." Do that every day. And mean it, because that is the greatest secret of success in the world.

I see you're really curious about my sexual relations and partnerships, and how I make them work. MYOB ... that's my business not yours.

I know the sweetie pie is radiantly happy because the mom brings her here often, so I can see and hear for myself. Indeed, the two were just here for an extended stay. Left yesterday after a visit to the mom's favorite Bangkok wat and a wonderful el cheapo Issarn seafood restaurant.

Kind regards,

Just having fun, and lots of it, in Bangkok

There is a misplaced sense of what constitutes a 'good Father' attached to your sentiments.

I can see the typical retired 'sexpat' still trying to recapture his youth, and whilst feeling good about himself, has little regard, respect or sense of responsibility for his actions. I feel sorry for your 8 year old daughter.

"As I have been involved with handicapped children I can state that if you father a handicapped child you will regret every day of the rest of your life."

As a 66-year old, I fathered a dwarf girl -- and it changed my life dramatically.

The mother and I rallied around the little kid. Studied books about dwarfism, and loved the little girl to pieces.

Today, the little dwarf girl (now 8) lives on her farm in Ubon with her mother, two sisters and 8 to 12 doggies, radiantly happy.

She's no burden. I love her dearly. She's a great joy of my life. The mother dotes on her too; loves her dearly.

Then, two years ago, an adult daughter of mine, was a 23-year old, rising, leading ballerina with a good ballet company. She stepped off the kerb in America, was slammed by a car and hovered between life and death for 3 months in intensive care. She lived but suffers from traumatic brain injury and aphasia. Couldn't talk. Couldn't walk (right leg). Couldn't use her right hand and arm.

We brought her out here to be treated by Thailand's great hospitals. Beginning with 1,2,3 which she knew, I taught her the numbers. Now she does addition, subtraction, up to three digits with carrying. Quite a come-down from co-valedictorian at her college, and doing calculus with her but a joy to see the progress.

My wife taught her to walk (with a limp). She's beginning to use her right arm. Can pick up something ultra light with her right hand. And more.

This guy who wrote the quote at the top is not cut out to be a father. If one wants to be a daddy, as opposed to a sperm donor, you have to be prepared to take the bad with the good.

Best wishes to all the other daddies of "handicapped" children. I love ours intensely. They're a blessing.

Gotta go now. Time for my (now 25 year old's) math lesson. Second grade, telling time.

Just having fun (in Bangkok, and lots of it)

Unbelievable story!

"I fathered a dwarf girl"........"The Mother and I rallied round the little kid"........."Today, the little dwarf girl (now 8) lives on her farm in Ubon with her mother, two sisters and 8 to 12 doggies, radiantly happy"

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I find your terms of reference to your handicapped child lacking any sincerity. Not once do you refer to her as your 'daughter', and while she is living in Ubon with her Mother, 2 sisters, doggies and radiantly happy, your just having fun (in Bangkok and lots of it).

This guy who wrote the quote at the top is not cut out to be a father. If one wants to be a daddy, as opposed to a sperm donor, you have to be prepared to take the bad with the good.

Sounds like you bailed out on the moral support of your young disabled daughter, whilst your having so much fun in Bangkok.

How would you know if she is radiantly happy?

Then, two years ago, an adult daughter of mine, was a 23-year old, rising, leading ballerina with a good ballet company. She stepped off the kerb in America, was slammed by a car and hovered between life and death for 3 months in intensive care. She lived but suffers from traumatic brain injury and aphasia. Couldn't talk. Couldn't walk (right leg). Couldn't use her right hand and arm.

We brought her out here to be treated by Thailand's great hospitals. Beginning with 1,2,3 which she knew, I taught her the numbers. Now she does addition, subtraction, up to three digits with carrying. Quite a come-down from co-valedictorian at her college, and doing calculus with her but a joy to see the progress.

My wife taught her to walk (with a limp). She's beginning to use her right arm. Can pick up something ultra light with her right hand. And more

"We"......."Wife"...........just how many wives, relationships and children do you have.

Would this wife be the Mother of your 23 year old daughter, (Note this daughter wasn't born a dwarf, so no shame to refer to her as daughter) or a later wife (Thai)? So at 66 were you just widely sowing your oats with younger childbearing women, whom you later abandon.

At 74, your still having so much fun in Bangkok.............with another disabled daughter to take care of............or is that really the role of your wife while you have so much fun in Bangkok.

Sorry but I find your story disturbing, maybe part truth, but full of riddles, indiscrepancies and I for one don't believe it.

There is no 'fun' whether in Bangkok or elsewhere taking care of a disabled child. It's full on hard time graft and no time for fun.

Reminds me of years ago when completing an online membership form for a dating site.

It asked to complete all questions honestly in order to select the perfect partner.

I submitted the form but it was rejected next day.

I resent it, but again it was rejected.

I contacted them to ask what the problem was.

Apparently to the question, "What do you most want in a partner"

The answer "My Dick" wasn't acceptable!

So I changed it to "My Tongue" which was also rejected.

Seems honesty isn't always valued.

We pensioners as you seem to so disparagingly but correctly refer to me and others of my vintage were and are able to spend all the long days with their kids.

How much time did you spend with yours ? Climbing the career ladder; leaving home before they woke up; getting home after they were in bed; knackered at weekends; struggling and arguing over finances; no time to swim every day after school; no time to help with homework.

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I think it is YOU and not I that has to ask & question yourself

Your cocking your leg up the wrong tree there matey.

Just ask any child if they prefer a part time Dad, for a long time in their life.

Or a full time Dad, for a short time in their life.

That's one consideration you selfishly neglect when you have children at a late age.

Which is best? There is a lot of judgement here. Quality time should be the criteria whether that be for a short or a long time.

My Father died when I was 11.

The choice of 'quality time' together was taken away from both of us.

We didn't have a choice.

Starting a Family at Pensionable age, will also certainly increase the chances that you will also remove that choice of 'quality time' together from the child. I know the problems that child will face and how they will feel..

You fortunately have the right to that choice.

If you cannot fulfil the expectation to raise a child to an age where he can stand on his own two feet, then I think your actions and decisions are purely selfish and based on your own wants without any consideration to the future of the child you so seemingly want to bring into this world, knowing your departure could be around the corner.

No amount of money you leave as support, can replace the emotional support that child will loose.

We pensioners as you seem to so disparagingly but correctly refer to me and others of my vintage were and are able to spend all the long days with their kids.

How much time did you spend with yours ? Climbing the career ladder; leaving home before they woke up; getting home after they were in bed; knackered at weekends; struggling and arguing over finances; no time to swim every day after school; no time to help with homework.

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I think it is YOU and not I that has to ask & question yourself

Your cocking your leg up the wrong tree there matey.

Just ask any child if they prefer a part time Dad, for a long time in their life.

Or a full time Dad, for a short time in their life.

That's one consideration you selfishly neglect when you have children at a late age.

I am sure you are quite right Mr Faz (well you must be right as you state "the truth is ") but how do YOU define cradle snatching ?

Do you have specific ages in mind or age differences for example ?

How old is my wife do you suppose? Ahhh, so is that cradle snatching ?

Charles and Diana say? Michael Douglas and Catherine? Charlie Chapiln and various ? Bernie Ecclestone ?

So, frowned upon by whom and also useful to know in which countries please just so your assertion can be examined?

I don't have to define it.

Just Google it and you'll find the answer.

It's down to your personal morals, ethics and standards and personally I could never date or marry someone who was young enough to be my daughter. I prefer to look into my existing children's eye's with a clear conscience.

I think you have to ask yourself ( and other pensioners ... ) that if you were in your home country would you be thinking of having children at 66 years old? ( probably not..) so why because you are in Thailand are you thinking of doing it?????????

Farang Jaidee x

the truth is canarysun that 'back home' as you put it the only ladies that would be interested in me (irrespective of my available funds) would be those well past child bearing age and/or inclination. That's the way of this world. I stated this beautiful creature was my first child. I had thought about this for many many years and by meeting the right person (I've been here for nearly 15 years) finally fulfilled my long-held dream. That's the way of this world.

We pensioners as you seem to so disparagingly but correctly refer to me and others of my vintage were and are able to spend all the long days with their kids.

How much time did you spend with yours ? Climbing the career ladder; leaving home before they woke up; getting home after they were in bed; knackered at weekends; struggling and arguing over finances; no time to swim every day after school; no time to help with homework.

Incidentally she adores me as much as her mum - how bad is that, .

I think it is YOU and not I that has to ask & question yourself

My daughter at nearly 5 already speaks IMHO beautiful English (maybe better than her mum's who only started to learn English later in her life and still sometimes struggles with plurals, tenses etc. AND certainly better than many posters on TVF) and good Thai. Oh and learning Mandarin also

Poor little soul indeed.

The truth is prk888 that Cradle Snatching is frowned upon in your home Country.

You can get away with it in Thailand, but it aint because your a 'hansum' man.

It's respective of your available funds.

Your fortunate Joe.

Amnat still request the copies to go along with the TM47.

Same documents as for a 90 day report should do then Joe.

Copy of Passport Home Page.

Copy of Extension.

Copy of last Entry Stamp.

Copy of TM6.

The OP is 66 and his wife? (40ish +)

It's a general fact that as we grow older, so do the genes.

To be totally unselfish, I'd consult a GP first to find out the potential health risks to a child born to elderly parents, before I even considered my own personal wants or needs.

When asked what I wanted for each of my 4 children, I didn't reply boy or girl, just for a normal healthy child.

The older we get, the higher the risk of health issues for the child as well as the Mother.

Other than my Passport, are copies of any other documents required.

In the UK we don't have 'states' as in the USA.

I suppose it would be 'County' which is the equivalent of a province.

My mate is completing a TM 8 as well.

Should be interesting.

Nationality.................British

DOB..........................??????

changwat..................Kolkata

Country.....................India.

The mind boggles.

That makes sense Joe, but why not state 'City' as apposed to 'changwat' if it's in reference to your home state.

Leaving it blank would probably be my best option. An afterthought was that if I got a multi re-entry permit the form only allows for the details of one planned exit/entry to be completed anyhow.

Some of these Immigration forms leave a lot to the imagination.

I'll be happy if I can get the ladle to stand at 66.

Might have to be happy with just licking the spoon.

I'll be renewing my retirement extension next month and want to apply for a re-entry permit at the same time.

Having downloaded the TM8 form, I have a couple of questions.

1. The form starts of with my personal details, name, nationality, DOB then requests Changwat (City) and Country.

Underneath it then asks for my present address in Thailand.

So is the request for changwat and Country details, relate to my home Country or Thailand?

Seems an odd request as I complete my Thai address directly underneath.

2. Leaving and re-entering dates.

I'm planning a trip back to the UK around April/ May next year, but don't know the precise dates yet.

Can I just put estimated dates?

There are 3 different forms of proving one's address.

Immigration or banks will usually accept a rental agreement and/or copies of landlords ID card and Tabian Ban.

Most government and vehicle retailers will require a 'certificate of residence' as minimum proof.

Certificates of residence are only valid for 30 days.

The 'Yellow Book' (Tabian Ban) is a permanent registration of your address and is accepted by anyone in Thailand as proof of address. It is valid for as long as you remain at that residence.

The Thais have a Blue Tabian Ban for exactly the same purpose.

If your staying in Thailand, then having a Yellow Tabian Ban is an essential part of mixing into there society and saves a lot of aggravation and frustration in the long run.

Under the Civil Registration Act all foreigners with permission to stay in Thailand are entitled to apply for and be issued a Yellow Tabian Ban as proof of address.

The problem is that there is no defined requirement of documentation or proof, so each province will set it's own rules and requirements to issue this type Tabian Ban.

You need to check at your local Amphur what the requirements are.

As an example I had to supply the following:

Original Documents.

1. Passport.

Copies.

1. Passport Home Page.

2. Passport page of current Visa or Extension

3. House ownersTabian Ban (signed with tele number)

4. House owners ID card (signed with telephone number)

5. Certificate of Residence (Obtained from Police station)

6. Translation of Passport Home Page into Thai, with attached photo.

7. 2 x Passport Photo for the application form.

The landlord had to also attend in person with his ID card and Blue Tabian Ban.

How was it possible to pay beyond 44 without some sort of red flag from HMRC?

(It was they who advised me to stop @ 30!)

I paid NI for 42 years when my qualifying period was only 30 years, so I would have got an additional pension bring my state pension up to nearly £200 when I reach retirement age in 2018.

However as I'll retire after 2016, I'll be eligible to get the new rate pension.

I read that under my circumstances I should receive the higher of the two when I retire, so I don't lose out by the introduction of the new scheme, but it's still a grey area at the moment with no certainties.

There is so much speculation over what might or might not happen yet, that I'm just keeping my fingers crossed, and hoping for the best at the moment.

I doubt anyone gets any more just because they paid over 30 or 35 contributions. Currently you get extra on top of the basic rate for GRP and for not having contracted out (SERPS). Dont think extra contributions come into it.

SERPS was replaced by the State Second Pension Scheme (S2P) in 2002.

If you pay over and above the qualifying years you get S2P based on your contributions.

On my Pension forecast it is referred to as Additional Pension.

But where can i read the answers to:

"I am a little confused, about the 90 day rule... and the drivers license... i heared about the one year rule, residing in Thailand, to obtain a Thai DL and also heared about the rule to have a International DL. (but not mandatory )

1: I can't read where the OP is longer then 90 day's in Thailand.

2: Does that 90 day rule apply's for exiting every 90 day and returning or does the clock starts again each time ?

3: Some country's have a DL that states that if you have a ( that you also can drive with a small motorbike (less then 400 cc ), these DL's are being targeted, hence any DL which indicates the correct pictogram and category are normally accepted. ( my International DL has only pictograms and stamps for every valid category, but for the rest is in foreign language )

4: up till today, my valid European DL has been always accepted ( even the copy which i carry in my purse )

5: Its confusing to read that not carrying your passport could lead to a fine, as always have been proclaimed that a copy was sufficient but not mandatory, the inconvienience would be being detained untill your identity was verified. Therefore my question : what law is applicable ?"

Now question nr 6:

If the OP uses the expression " had a few beers and a wisky", does that states exactly how much he had been drinking in a certain timeframe prior to his been stopped by the police ?

1. there is no 1 year rule to obtain a Thai DL, and if you use google you will find the 90 rule on multiple websites, even the AA's if if remember correctly and even in the motoring section on TV I believe, the 90 day rule is intended for tourists on short term visits, by your own admission your resident here, then you should have a Thai DL

4. upto today you have been lucky, thats all, have a wreck and injure a Thai national and see what happens

5. the only thing required is a copy of your PP, the OP had nothing, thats why they pulled him in

question 6 is irrelevant as they never nicked him for drinking and driving

I think the answers to these questions require more clarification, the information on different websites is inconclusive, i would like to know the exact , valid , applicable law-ruling... not some hear-say

As far as my knowledge go's, after multiple contacts and questions to the police, as long as your DL is in englisch language, its accepted...

Same go's for the use of Thai DL in foreign country's ( short time travels, some european country's have a 185 days rule for long term (Thailand), or even a 10 year validity for european partners...)

So, with all due respect, correct to the point answers and a link towards the correct rulings would be more then welcome

Your missing the point.

Yes a UK or licence in English is perfectly legal to drive in Thailand under the Geneva Convention, as is an IDP.

However almost all Insurance Companies will void Insurance beyond 3 months if you are still driving on a UK licence or IDP.

Your licence or IDP may be valid, but driving without Insurance isn't.

Wait until you have an accident.............I hope you have deep pockets.

build 766: I agree, this amounts to the most pernicious injustice. I paid 47/44 contributions and their are others out there who may even have paid 49/44 !

How was it possible to pay beyond 44 without some sort of red flag from HMRC?

(It was they who advised me to stop @ 30!)

I paid NI for 42 years when my qualifying period was only 30 years, so I would have got an additional pension bring my state pension up to nearly £200 when I reach retirement age in 2018.

However as I'll retire after 2016, I'll be eligible to get the new rate pension.

I read that under my circumstances I should receive the higher of the two when I retire, so I don't lose out by the introduction of the new scheme, but it's still a grey area at the moment with no certainties.

There is so much speculation over what might or might not happen yet, that I'm just keeping my fingers crossed, and hoping for the best at the moment.

I worked 6 years in England before moving to Australia from age 16 to 22 and 3 years was as a apprentice, I will get a Australian pension as I have 35 years of working there, my question is would I be entitled to a pension from England even tough it would be very small, and would it be worth while applying.

You are entitled to a state pension of 6/30 of £115 before 2016.

Even as an apprentice you were credited with NI stamps.

After April 2016 you can claim 6/35 of £155 (or whatever the rate starts at).

Whatever rate you receive will be frozen at that rate until death.

As long as you remember your NI number nev, your due a little extra pension in retirement

Resident or not in the UK,he will still get his rises,if say for example an accommodation address is used in Benidorm (cheap enough), .,or anywhere unfrozen ,and face it the Spanish telephone system is nothing but atrocious if concern regarding contact

Solly the pension credit will have to be in UK and the DWP do check on that one. The other they cannot be bothered Just your private pension provider make sure they do not have the address here,or any address for that matter,register for pay/pension slips for on-line

Certain benefits are affected if you go abroad for longer than 4 weeks.

In the case of Pension Credits you can live abroad for up to 13 weeks without loss of entitlement.

moving-to-and-returning-from-abroad.pdf

The OP can claim Pension Credits whilst he is in the UK and as long as he doesn't reside in Thailand for longer than 13 weeks in any one period he will not lose that benefit. (90 days to be on the safe side)

If the OP visits Thailand for 2 periods of up to 13 weeks in a year he will get Pension Credits, annual increase in his Pension and still be classed as resident in the UK. (2 x 90 days =180 days abroad. 185 days in UK)

Note that from 2016 Pension Credits are being scrapped and the new Flat Rate Pension will be introduced.

If the OP then gets the estimated £155 a week from 2016, as long as he follows the above his Pension payments will not be affected.

Think you will find its £148 per week.

The guy is already on OAP so he will stick with that rate he is on now...13 weeks? hardly worth it flying backwards and forwards

Those already receiving State Pension before 2016 will remain on the old scheme, meaning on top of their basic pension they can get credits like serps or Pension Credits to top up their income.

Those retiring after 2016 will get the new flat rate pension without entitlement to top ups.

https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/overview

According to this link the new rate pension is expected to start at £151.25pw.

That wasn't the question...

You have a car/motocy/ long term condo/or own a condo/ living with someone in Thailand/married

or lets do it this way do you spend more than 180 days a year in Thailand ?

yes, i spent more then 180 days a year in Thailand...

Then you should have a Thai Driving Licence to legally drive Insured.

Resident or not in the UK,he will still get his rises,if say for example an accommodation address is used in Benidorm (cheap enough), .,or anywhere unfrozen ,and face it the Spanish telephone system is nothing but atrocious if concern regarding contact

Solly the pension credit will have to be in UK and the DWP do check on that one. The other they cannot be bothered Just your private pension provider make sure they do not have the address here,or any address for that matter,register for pay/pension slips for on-line

Certain benefits are affected if you go abroad for longer than 4 weeks.

In the case of Pension Credits you can live abroad for up to 13 weeks without loss of entitlement.

moving-to-and-returning-from-abroad.pdf

The OP can claim Pension Credits whilst he is in the UK and as long as he doesn't reside in Thailand for longer than 13 weeks in any one period he will not lose that benefit. (90 days to be on the safe side)

If the OP visits Thailand for 2 periods of up to 13 weeks in a year he will get Pension Credits, annual increase in his Pension and still be classed as resident in the UK. (2 x 90 days =180 days abroad. 185 days in UK)

Note that from 2016 Pension Credits are being scrapped and the new Flat Rate Pension will be introduced.

If the OP then gets the estimated £155 a week from 2016, as long as he follows the above his Pension payments will not be affected.