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^^ I doubt you could afford to send them abroad. 

I'm prepared to bet you couldn't even afford the price of the flight home. 

Anyway, it's obvious I've touched a nerve - you've admitted you can't/couldn't afford to live in the UK. 

Due to your inability to hack here - you've deprived your kids a western education. 

You must be so proud. 

 

 

"Dek Farang" simply means "Farang child".

 

In what the woman said there is absolutely no implication that the child is of mixed parentage.

 

Slightly off topic but I do get very irritated that "Luk Kreung" in this and similar Threads are somehow automatically consigned to the "Entertainment" field in their career prospects.

 

My own daughter - British father, Thai mother - graduated from ISB here in Bangkok, went on to attend the London School of Economics and is currently working at a very Senior level with a Multi-national Corporation in London earning over GBP 150,000.- a year.

 

Patrick

 

 

 

You know, sir - I love stories like that.  

 

There's far too many Lek Kreung kids being denied the opportunity to make real progress in their lives, 

 

Far too many farang fathers abandon them, and just as bad in my opinion - far too many subject them to Thai education knowing that they are denying them the best of the west.  

 

Once you have a child, it is beholden upon you to give that child the best chance in life.  

 

If you can't guarantee equivalent standard education in Thailand, you have to take them to the west and educate them.  

 

You must be a real bread head if you think progress is all about how much money they can earn. 

 

Are you seriously trying to say that I am as bad as a father abandoning his kids just because I want to live in Thailand and my kids get a Thai education?

 

I guess you don't have kids.

 

I have three kids - two degree educated. 

Only you will know the true reason why you have forced your kids through Thai education. 

Maybe it's due to a personal weakness. 

A desperate desire to stay in Thailand. 

At the expense of your kids. 

Do anything but the right thing. 

And lie to yourself it's for the best. 

Western fathers that deny their children any form of upbringing in the west. 

Need to have a long, hard, and truthful look at their motives. 

In your case - I suspect it's because your skint. 

And you know what you would be coming back to. 

It's your own fear that's driving you. 

And your fear is being fed at the expense of your children's future. 

 

 

You do realize that many of these elephant camps are producing a turnover in excess of 2 million baht a month already?   

 

It's profit that's driving the camps.  

 

I doubt you actually know how much money "many of these elephants camps are producing." You probably "heard" something and are then exaggerating. Even so, if the elephants have sanctuary and are being treated well, then GREAT. I'm all for it.

 

I know. 

I even get the visitor numbers from two parks.  

I doubt you do.  

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There is not nice side of elephant tourism at all.

Yes there is - 

http://www.saveelephant.org/  

And that is only one among many.

 

 

 

Elephant tourism should be banned. Thailand and other countries should be internationally prohibited from running elephant shows.

 

Garbage - plenty of these camps give these elephants a life far better than they had when they were used for logging.  

 

There's a coterie of complete and utter idiots campaigning against elephant camps in this country - and it's mainly being driven by total clown bloggers. 

 

Clueless idiots that don't realize what they are campaigning for is a mass cull of elephants.  

 

 

It can be done differently, there are elephant camps that do it right. The problem is that clueless idiots like yourself have never seen a video of a young elephant whose mother has either been shot or poisoned being 'broken'. Or maybe you have and you think it's 'cool'. All good clean fun, trapped inside a very small cage for days, being jabbed and not allowed to sleep until they 'comply'. No elephant whisperers in Thailand, not among the Thais anyway. I agree that logging with elephants was a thoroughly evil state of affairs but the way these young animals are smuggled in and mistreated before being presented to a delighted public is just not acceptable. It could all be done very differently and just as many people could gain their daily bread as do now. This really is the ugly side of the Thai attitude towards animals, I live on a farm here and so I am no weeping willy, I have assisted at a few killings and slaughtering of animals. My aim is to get it over with as quickly as possible,the guys don't care. I'm not saying that they are wrong, I'm saying that some education might be of some use. Especially amongst coteries of complete and utter idiots. Don't ask me to give you links on Youtube, go look for yourself.

 

 

 

It can be done differently, specially when there are less elephants (=higher profit, =better educated mahouts) and checks from government and NGOs. Having a "mahout" license and on the first problem the elephant and the license will be taken away.

All elephants should be chipped, and DNA recorded. Maybe also partially from the wild one. Every baby elephant must be DNA tested to check his parents. And long jail terms if someone try to fake it.

 

You do realize that many of these elephant camps are producing a turnover in excess of 2 million baht a month already?   

It's profit that's driving the camps.  

 

 

Elephant tourism should be banned. Thailand and other countries should be internationally prohibited from running elephant shows.

 

Garbage - plenty of these camps give these elephants a life far better than they had when they were used for logging.  

 

There's a coterie of complete and utter idiots campaigning against elephant camps in this country - and it's mainly being driven by total clown bloggers. 

 

Clueless idiots that don't realize what they are campaigning for is a mass cull of elephants.  

 

 

but complete drunk mahouts that parade elephants around towns is surely worse.

Not breed or import elephants for a couple of years would be good....there are far too many. Go down to 1/4 of the amounts of elephants and take care that they live happy and enjoy the tourist shows as well (they do).

 

Street elephants are banned in Chiang Mai, and I believe in the rest of Thailand too?

That is the type of campaign that people should get behind - and I have no problem with people campaigning for better standards within the camps. 

Campaigning for camp closure is ludicrous. 

Now you are suggesting an effective cull of 3/4 of the captive herd?  Based upon what?  

I know of seven elephant camps personally that rely upon tourism money so that they can buy mistreated elephants.

Yes, sometimes they have to buy them.

Did you know that?    

i would love to hear some positive reviews written by farang teachers about the schools that they teach at... just can't recall seeing any.

 

mostly the positive posts are something along the lines of "I am 65 and the wifey is 28. Our kids go to such and such international school and love it. they are brilliant and cute and thai women give them lots of attention because of their mixed looks! they had a school play or something and dressed like ducks. i noticed the other kids mom's were white skinned and fit. no doubt my kids wiil make out like bandits in life... would never raise them back in the UK with all those minorities who have robbed the country blind. [something about gypsies]. "

555555 Brilliant 

And supremely accurate.  

"Dek Farang" simply means "Farang child".

 

In what the woman said there is absolutely no implication that the child is of mixed parentage.

 

Slightly off topic but I do get very irritated that "Luk Kreung" in this and similar Threads are somehow automatically consigned to the "Entertainment" field in their career prospects.

 

My own daughter - British father, Thai mother - graduated from ISB here in Bangkok, went on to attend the London School of Economics and is currently working at a very Senior level with a Multi-national Corporation in London earning over GBP 150,000.- a year.

 

Patrick

 

 

You know, sir - I love stories like that.  

There's far too many Lek Kreung kids being denied the opportunity to make real progress in their lives, 

Far too many farang fathers abandon them, and just as bad in my opinion - far too many subject them to Thai education knowing that they are denying them the best of the west.  

Once you have a child, it is beholden upon you to give that child the best chance in life.  

If you can't guarantee equivalent standard education in Thailand, you have to take them to the west and educate them.  

No work permit. You just do what you have to do. So long as no one spills the beans on you, like one of the grumpy old haters here, no one will know the wiser.

One of these days, counties will wake up to fact that people can now support themselves by working freelance or online, while on the road. There needs to be a new visa for those who can prove income for these types of jobs, so they don't have to keep getting BS visas and break the law.

Nobody needs a BS visa at all.

There must be plenty of other places to take photos, if that is your true passion.

Of course taking photos in Thailand wouldn't have anything to do with party time, cheap booze and available, affordable pussy, now, would it?

What an idiotic post -

Thailand is one of the most target rich countries in the whole world - and it's periodic outbreaks of street violence make it even more so. It's a professional photographers dream location.

There is a world of difference between a professional photographer and the itinerant traveller with a camera who is looking for any visa/excuse to extend his stay in the Kingdom now that back to back visa runs are a thing of the past.

The only people making idiotic posts are those that can't see through the BS - the Thai authorities certainly can.

No - as per usual you had to draw the topic down to the lowest common denominator.

The topic is how do freelance photographers and writers get work permits.

Not - "another chance to vent your witless spleen."

Do you have anything of relevance to add to the topic?

Elephant tourism should be banned. Thailand and other countries should be internationally prohibited from running elephant shows.

Garbage - plenty of these camps give these elephants a life far better than they had when they were used for logging.  

There's a coterie of complete and utter idiots campaigning against elephant camps in this country - and it's mainly being driven by total clown bloggers. 

Clueless idiots that don't realize what they are campaigning for is a mass cull of elephants.  

Haven't read the whole thread - can't be bothered reading the same old, same old -

Anyway - OP, how old are you, and what's you age dating range.  

For the purpose of clarity -

BKK Immigration said last week via Scott Mallon that they were aware that there was patchy understanding and incorrect enforcement of the new and proposed visa regulations by various officials.

They further said that they were working to train said officials so that everyone would sing from the same hymn sheet, but stated that they knew it would take a while to ensure compliance.

The OP was just damned unlucky -

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If you can leave the country and not worry about the financial loss of leaving stuff behind you're a nomad. If you haven't put roots down by buying houses or businesses, you're a nomad. People exist in Thailand for years with a nomadic attitude, and they tend to be the happiest - they're here because they want to be here - not because they are trapped.

It doesn't matter what visa you're on - retirement/work/whatever - as long as you can leave in a heart-beat without worrying about what you leave behind - you are a nomad.

Non-nomads own houses/condos/businesses - or are tied to families. Some non-nomads can't afford the price of a flight home - non-nomads are stuck, they have to disentangle themselves to get out of the country. I'd guess that ninety-odd percent of long-stayers in Thailand take a nomadic attitude to the country. Even of they have been here for years, they will never allow themselves to be trapped in Thailand. I'd place a bet that ninety-odd percent of long=stayers in Thailand could leave within twenty-four hours and leave nothing of consequence behind.

So when do you stop being a nomad? when you put down roots that have to be ripped out to allow you to leave.

That applies to everyone. irrespective of age or length of time in the country.

"If you can leave the country and not worry about the financial loss of leaving stuff behind you're a nomad. If you haven't put roots down by buying houses or businesses, you're a nomad."

I would disagree. I meet all your criteria above, yet wouldn't consider myself a nomad. I have made sacrifices, rather adjustments, to remain in this country. I still have the freedom to travel anywhere I want, my wife would travel with me. To lose a car and a job would also be acceptable, but why would I want to? That to me is not being nomadic.

As with the OP, the majority of people chasing the criteria for "IT nomads" are in my opinion looking for long stay options to remain in Thailand, going against the description of their occupation. Also, the majority are not willing to make changes to accommodate the laws of the country, they want their cake and to eat it as well.

Nomadic is continually on the move.

I believe you work out of the county and you are constantly on the move?

I went to UK at the beginning of last year. First time out of the country (Thailand) in 14 years.

It's a fair achievement to have lived in Thailand and not put down any roots - you are a nomad and you just don't realize it.

On the dark days when things looked like they were going all wrong and everyone has them, whether in there personal life or watching the political developments in this county - did you ever say to yourself?

"I can get out quickly, and leave nothing of consequence behind?"

I bet you did - and I bet there's many a day you are secretly proud of the fact that you can go to the airport and leave, and never look over your shoulder.

That's what nomad's do - you are a nomad.

So, I just come back from DMK immigration officer. Me and my girlfriend decided to ask there better, instead of all the guesswork in here.

I told them my plan about flying to SIngapore and returning the same day. They checked my passport and said that there will be no problem at all. They even called in 4 other colleagues that checked my passport and said there wont be any trouble coming back to DMK.

They recommended to show a pre-booked ticket out of Thailand within 30 days and also suggested to bring the booked language course of my girlfriend, even though they think no one will be asking for it. My passport, however, has several different visas from Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Japan, Indonesia and they said it looks like a traveler's passport, despite my 3 months stay in Bangkok now.

Just wanted to post this as several ppl mailed me with the same worries. If you are in doubt, go to the immigration officers directly, bring your passport and, at best, someone who speaks thai. Don't hope fore qualified answers in a web forum

Have a good sunday

I'm not trying to say that you will have problems, but an immigration officer at the entry booth or a land border may not agree with what the Immigration officer told you at DMK. The decision making process is complicated and rather subjective, so each immigration officer will make on-the-spot decisions that may differ. Once a border official refuses entry, there's not much that can be done.

Tropo - you really need to get a life.

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If you can leave the country and not worry about the financial loss of leaving stuff behind you're a nomad. If you haven't put roots down by buying houses or businesses, you're a nomad. People exist in Thailand for years with a nomadic attitude, and they tend to be the happiest - they're here because they want to be here - not because they are trapped.

It doesn't matter what visa you're on - retirement/work/whatever - as long as you can leave in a heart-beat without worrying about what you leave behind - you are a nomad.

Non-nomads own houses/condos/businesses - or are tied to families. Some non-nomads can't afford the price of a flight home - non-nomads are stuck, they have to disentangle themselves to get out of the country. I'd guess that ninety-odd percent of long-stayers in Thailand take a nomadic attitude to the country. Even of they have been here for years, they will never allow themselves to be trapped in Thailand. I'd place a bet that ninety-odd percent of long=stayers in Thailand could leave within twenty-four hours and leave nothing of consequence behind.

So when do you stop being a nomad? when you put down roots that have to be ripped out to allow you to leave.

That applies to everyone. irrespective of age or length of time in the country.

"If you can leave the country and not worry about the financial loss of leaving stuff behind you're a nomad. If you haven't put roots down by buying houses or businesses, you're a nomad."

I would disagree. I meet all your criteria above, yet wouldn't consider myself a nomad. I have made sacrifices, rather adjustments, to remain in this country. I still have the freedom to travel anywhere I want, my wife would travel with me. To lose a car and a job would also be acceptable, but why would I want to? That to me is not being nomadic.

As with the OP, the majority of people chasing the criteria for "IT nomads" are in my opinion looking for long stay options to remain in Thailand, going against the description of their occupation. Also, the majority are not willing to make changes to accommodate the laws of the country, they want their cake and to eat it as well.

Nomadic is continually on the move.

I believe you work out of the county and you are constantly on the move?

Pathetic! Talk about pick fights you know you can win, sad individual.

The OP didn't pick a fight.

Reminds me of he young Thai in Oz who went to town on the 69-year old in the holding cell,

"On the trial's opening day on Friday, the jury in the NSW Supreme Court saw footage of Kaewklom in a white, hooded jumper pacing back and forth before throwing his cellmate to the ground and stomping and kicking him in the head about 20 times.

"The last action ... was to then step back and forcefully kick the deceased's head area as if his head was a soccer ball,'' crown prosecutor Gina O'Rourke told the jury on Friday.

McGregor died at Liverpool Hospital 10 days after the February 25 attack, when his life support was switched off.

The 69-year-old had been taken into custody the day before, after breaching his bail conditions."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/gang-kaewklom-changes-plea-to-guilty-for-murder-of-frank-mcgregor-in-holding-cell-of-liverpool-court-house/story-fndo48ca-1226473558225

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ill-show-you-what-angry-is-brutal-attack-recorded-on-phone-20130208-2e2ts.html

Bit stupid of the police to put two guys into the same holding cell.

Wouldn't happen in the UK - the screw in charge that day should be on a charge too.

 

Even Singaporeans don't like living in Singapore -  astronomical stress levels.  
 
vacation - woohoo, let's go - I love it.
 
Live there? no thanks.  

Agreed its a great place for a 5-7 day vacation. The thing that I've noticed most that has changed in Singapore is that it is so much more crowded than it used to be 25 years ago.even going on the MRT used to be pretty relaxing, now people are crammed in. Not exactly sure how much more population there is now, but it isn't a big place, and it just seems more hemmed in.

 

To me it's one of the greatest city breaks you could ever hope to do.  The Singapore Flyer at night,  the night-time view from the Marina Sands - the truly excellent national museum, Fort Canning (if you're a history buff in particular) the Battle Box, Old Ford factory - Friday night at the Singapore Turf club - Sentosa -

I could go on - magic place - as long as you don't have to live there.  

Even Singaporeans don't like living in Singapore -  astronomical stress levels.  

vacation - woohoo, let's go - I love it.

Live there? no thanks.  

This OP joined TV less than an hour ago.

Makes a pretty bold statement and question.

Then doesn't join in his own thread after the initial post ???

Sorry but if I had asked a question as important to my life as that, I would be following and participating fully.

I'm calling Troll...

I agree .Its a very Trollish question to put on Thaivisa.

Which long-term member would you expect to ask that question?

The member would then be slaughtered and trolled for evermore by the real rancid troll clowns that infect this place.

I see the clique is in full-swing again - as usual.

There are HIV dating sites, how busy they are I don't know.

The OP should discuss this issue at his clinic - it won't be the first time they have heard it.

I wouldn't be amazed if they had a roster of ladies in the same boat and hoping to meet a man.

I lay you odds the doctors and nurses could/would hook him up.

Thailand could just remove the age criteria on the retirement visa. Simple.

Or they could follow the lead of PI with their smile visa:

http://www.pra.gov.ph/main/srrv_program?page=1

It would be rather strange if teenagers lived here on retirement visas

I never understood that.. Another generation seems to think 'retirement' means old age.. Retirement is to me simply the time you have enough assets to stop working. If that happens when your 19, 29, 39 or whatever makes no difference.. I did enough in a few years to be safely comfortable. I retired.. If you do it in your 20s or your 40s is purely down to having enough to stop work and live comfortably.

Set the bar for what they think that number is, and let people show it. If they want to set the bar higher, the younger you are, theres some logic there.. But the idea you have to work out your days simply isnt how it is, people have business successes at all kinds of ages, people win lotteries or have trust funds, what difference does it make.

The difference is jealousy -

Some people can't stand the thought that others have had a go, and earned more by the time they are 30 than they will in their entire lives. I'm wealthy enough but I'm watching young friends of mine earn funny money. I know one twenty-three year old digital nomad in Thailand that's earning $30,000 a month - and the way his business is set up - he can retire right now. He is not the highest earning nomad I know - some of these guys are on funny money.

I think it's great - others boil and froth with jealousy.