Sawan Chan 7

Shame that letter from a prostitute was deleted.

It said it all.

They hate their work and EVERY client they have.

That includes YOU MrX in Pattaya.

Why was it deleted? Who deleted it? Anyone know?

Winnie

The link was from a source not allowed on this forum.

However you can find it here, I assume this link is allowed.

http://www.ijreview.com/2016/04/588738-former-prostitue-pens-sobering-message-to-clients/

I was in Pattaya recently, and all the hookers were complaining because now is low season so they have only little bit of customers.

Some girls who didn't have a customer for 3 days looked seriously depressed because they needed money.

(they make it up in high season, but since many are not smart savers, low season can be tough)

If customers don't come, what are they gonna do? They clearly don't want to do anything else (normal job)

They don't want to be "helped". They just want to have more customers for boomboom, so the big money keeps coming.

They choose the path wathever they think is best for them. If other alternatives would be better or "less damaging" for them, they would choose that.

Oviously the alternatives they know would mean more "suffering", if not, they would change immediately, because people tend to walk the path of least resistance.

But there aren't any that they think is better, and not any of you judgemental people are offering new alternatives to these girls...

Your judging doesn't help them, it only puts them down.

You (gazz, johnny, ... dudes) have nothing to offer them, so there is nothing heroic in your preachings.

Plainly spoken and very well articulated at that.

Nobody hears from the silent majority of happy girls other than the punters themselves. The dissenters will of course air their grievances, and no one's disputing their view is their reality. But it's theirs. Not the next girls, or they'd all be out like Cosby accusers. It's just logic.

I actually thought it was a disgusting post from a typical Pattaya whoremonger. Dream on dude, Just because they stick together and pretend to themselves that the girls actually like them doesn't make it fact.

I have nothing to offer these girls, true but hopefully I can point out that the men using them are simply sex addicts who are in complete denial. I wonder how many tell their mother or children that they are mongers. Why not, they seem to be proud of the fact.

If all parties are legal age and consenting there is no problem. If the sex industry was legalised it would only be a positive thing, for the people in this kind of work.

I personally I don't like prostitution, and I have low opinions of the kind of people who frequent these places, but that is my personal view, for my personal lifestyle. I have no right to tell consenting adults what they can and can't do with their lives.

I don't like it even more when Christian freaks start interfering with things they have no understand about.. and they have their own twisted agenda for 'helping' their 'poor innocent delicate abused women'. Same reason they have to helping the hill tribe 'orphans' and trying to get Thais to attend the local Church and give up they religion.

I am not ashamed to say I have several good friends who work in the sex industry. I can assure you they were never being exploited, in fact they do at great job of exploiting their unsuspecting customers. And there are many well qualified sex workers too, but they choose to do their current job, rather than a lower paying or more boring or time consuming 'normal' job. Its not only women that do these jobs, there are many men, straight and gay, but these are not 'helped and rescued' by the kind Christian folk... as they are not as pretty I suspect.

This is a difficult and dangerous kind of job for anyone to do. It can be the ruin of many peoples lives. But at the end of the day we all have the right to choose to live how we want. If they would rather work in the sex industry rather than in the supermarket, office, or on the farm, than that's the choice they make, and many make a very good living from it.

We have no right to tell people what they do is wrong or force them to do other jobs.

Each to his / her own.

How on earth is someone who recognizes that prostitutes hate their work and are mentally damaged by it Christian?

You hate prostitution yet have many good friends who are prostitutes. Can I ask how you met them?

You'll be telling us you live in Pattaya next!

I think the fact you need a degree in something here to get a teachers license is probably a good thing. At least it demonstrates the person is infact intelligent and has extended education. Probably no other way the government could measure this. No offense meant here but in other ways I don't see how having a degree in drama, the arts or even engineering necessarily better qualifies someone as an English teacher more than someone without a degree. I wouldn't imagine teaching skills ie educating others, grammar, composition etc would figure highly in anything other than an actual teaching degree. 50% of it has to be personallity as well as the technical skills. Let's face it there are many terrible "real" teachers in our own countries. They might have passed the exam but if they don't have the personallity or temperament to motivate the kids...they're just doing a job

Thais don't want farang for teaching grammar. We are employed as, "dancing white monkeys" so I think a degree in drama would be very helpful. No offence intended but based on my experience of 25 years working in Thailand(the first 13 years working as an English teacher) with kids at Prathom and Mathayom schools and also.

Who is "WE" Franky bear? You have a mouse in your pocket? I love people who come on here and state "WE" like you have the support of others behind you or you speak for all. All you did was come on here with nasty, negative, misguided and rhetorical statements.

Let me say, I do not have a university degree. I think I mentioned that or at least alluded to it. I did complete school and completed a 4 year trade in

Electrical wiring / contracting with associate certificates in Electronics and Engineering. I left that industry many years ago and was a corporate trainer / National Operations manager.

Now "WE" want to know what you do "Franky bear"?

I will also say I agree with you in regards to the Thai education system. It is dreadful. I also have a child and I despair at the thought of him going to school. One thing I have learned is that I wont be sending him to a private school. Thing I haven't mentioned, and I in no way claim this to entitle me to teach here....I lived in a remote village for a year. Most wonderful respectful kids I have ever met. Most of them lived dirt floor huts, ate rats...frogs. Happiest kids I ever seen in my life. My wife's uncle, a district head teacher, who lived next door asked me if I could come and speak to the kids in English sometimes at the school. Not for money, just to help out. They didn't have funding for an English teacher. We already had groups of kids coming to our home on weekends armed with their English books for some help. In actual fact I think they were more interested in eating farang food and spending sometime in a nice house which was fine with us. Truly lovely kids. I think their parents had pushed them into going to learn English with the farang.

Thing that struck me was that they were enthralled watching documentaries about animals, world events, different countries they didn't even know existed. Try getting a kid back home to watch a show like that. They have no choice other than watch the inane drivel they show on FTA TV here. My point being, the kids want to learn in most cases. The system lets them down and they become disillusioned and lazy. I would have 120 really poor kids sitting cross legged and super well behaved for at least an hour in that little government village school. Seems to me in a private school they just do what they want. Play facebook, wander outside as the mood takes. Teacher has no control as the kid is guaranteed a pass. If the teacher dares to chastise or make an example of the kid mom and dad are there complaining the next day. And mom and dad complaining is far worse than the kid not learning anything. Its about the fees. And these are the privileged kids that will end up in the universities, have all the opportunities and will be operating on people, running the country etc.

So every week I would go to the school with my wife. She would handle the Thai side of things and I would ask them questions about their life...their likes...sports they like. I in turn would tell them things about Australia, my travels. Basically an open discussion with what ended up being the whole school 120 kids assembled for an hour. Thoroughly enjoyed it and I got as much out of it as the kids. Did I teach them proper English? Grammar etc. No. Did they learn something? Absolutely. After that year we moved away and unfortunately I couldn't spend time with the kids anymore. They did manage to employ a Thai "English" teacher. The wife's uncle was eager for me to meet her. He probably thought I would be happy to speak English with someone. She kept putting it off. In the end, I met her by chance at a school festival. She couldn't understand a bloody word I was saying! She said it was my accent. Now I don't have any sort of a thick accent and I'm well versed in talking to Thai people who understand English very "Sa lowly". Apart from the usual "How are you" "I fine thank you" "what is your name" she didn't have a clue. She's still working there 2 years later. School I spoke to last week just lost an English teacher. She couldn't control the kids. Well she got the job as an English teacher....had a degree in fashion design or something. She was Bhutanese....didn't speak English or Thai. I guess there are foreign people here using or abusing the system and aren't sincere about what they're doing. Does all this make me or others parasites?

Tl;Dr till you asked me what i do....I'm a mechanical engineer.

I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering plus a Master's degree in petroleum engineering but I choose to work as a teacher as believe it or not, I have a much better lifestyle and job satisfaction.

Do you have a degree Franky Bear? I'm asking as i think this is what your beef is all about.

A sub came tie up alongside any jetty as long as it can handle the Subs draft and length so those that saying it needs a special base are talking crap. The only specialist stuff it needs is cranes and the fittings to lower torpedoes in.

I'm not defending Thailand here. Just pointing out a this little bit of vital information.

Do you think anyone would actually think you are defending Thailand TB

Chinese Engineering is terrible.

Thais are terrible mechanics.

Yeah, this will do a lot od sea time.

OMG, I can't believe you actually really mean what you write!

Chinese Engineering has improved to be one of the best countries in the world. Onlt the UK, USA, Japan and Germany are rated above them!

Thai mechanics are very good in my experience.

Another added to my Thai Bashers list.

Chinese Engineering is terrible.

Thais are terrible mechanics.

Yeah, this will do a lot od sea time.

Three Gorges Dam (Sandouping, Hubei, China)

Record it breaks: The world’s largest hydroelectric power station and world’s largest concrete structure.

Let me spell it out for you: out of five Shuttles–Columbia, Challenger, Discovery, Atlantis, and Endeavor—two met a disastrous and fiery fate. That’s a 40% vehicular failure rate (updated) and a flight failure rate of 1.5%.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpinchefsky/2012/04/18/5-horrifying-facts-you-didnt-know-about-the-space-shuttle/#4a24c1e567b9

I get your point....but there is a big difference pouring concrete and sending rockets out into space!

I get tired of the anti Asian racism here. The Asian kids in American schools are always at the top of the class academically.

I get tired of it too, especially as we now live in Asia. The sad thing is that these people are not even aware that they are racists.

I wish I could say the same thing about mine . . .

Why? I'm really happy I can't.

kai dow... song fong. arroy.

lol

I can just imagine the bashers shouting, "tee rak, what does 'song fong' mean"

Actually, the average Thai basher's wife probably didn't even graduate M3 and would know the classifier for fried eggs.

The logic probably goes something like this,

• If I purchase something I can divert a proportion of the price into my own bank account
• If that something is really expensive, I get more money.
• My mate Prayuth is in charge for the foreseeable future so I don't really need work hard to justify my purchase and am unlikely to be answerable for it in the foreseeable future if it all goes pear shaped.
• Its the Navy's turn at the trough, if I don't spend the money on something boaty then it will be used to buy airplanes or tanks.
• I already benefited from the building of the submarine base so why not some submarines to go with it?
• If I buy these submarines from China, I can get them on-line from AliBaba.com They do a really good deal on bulk purchases and there is free delivery.
• Also if I buy from China, they really understand corruption so there is no need to explain it all to them, Germans etc. can be really dense about this.
• We are not at war with any other country, only with ourselves, so the submarines don't really need to work very well, if at all.
• If we keep them at Sattahip they won't have to go deep and they can run on the surface most of the time, or just be parked up next to the aircraft carrier.
• I am too old and too fat to ever need to go in a submarine myself, so that also means their reliability is unimportant.
• With the flooding in Bangkok only likely to get worse in the future, the wife can use the submarines for the school run when they are not required by the Navy.

Unassailable Thainess and logic.

Please don't use the word "Thainess" when you obviously don't know what it means.

Otherwise, a good post!

Does anyone know what "Thainess" really means? To me it means Thai HiSo like behaviour as portrayed by a hundred Ch3 and Ch7 soaps.

To others it means following the "12 core values" (many of which are mainly notable for their absence from Thai politics and culture).

To this "Diplomat" writer it means using female objectification to mask authoritarian rule "A closer look at the gendered identity of state-created “Thainess.” " http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/selling-thailand-gender-tourism-and-female-objectification/

It is a made up word implying Thais have a common cultural heritage which is patently not true so I suggest everyone is free to interpret it as any behaviour which is exhibited by a significant section of the Thai population, from corruption to scams, to careless driving to great cooking to hospitality to love of slapstick humour to reverence of the royal family to tendency to perpetrate military coups to lousy education to .......etc.

Please enlighten everyone as to your definition as "obviously" you have one.

Sorry tuanku, you are wrong here.

There's a big difference to what farang think Thainess is than what Thais know Thainess is.

It is not a made up word, as such. if you spoke, Thai, you would know it means "kwam bpen Thai", sorry no Thai writing allowed. You could then stick that in your google and read about it.

I'm confused, you watch a hundred Thai soaps, or did someone tell you that?

It most certainly isn't corruption or scams.

Here's my translation of what Thainess actually is

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The logic probably goes something like this,

• If I purchase something I can divert a proportion of the price into my own bank account
• If that something is really expensive, I get more money.
• My mate Prayuth is in charge for the foreseeable future so I don't really need work hard to justify my purchase and am unlikely to be answerable for it in the foreseeable future if it all goes pear shaped.
• Its the Navy's turn at the trough, if I don't spend the money on something boaty then it will be used to buy airplanes or tanks.
• I already benefited from the building of the submarine base so why not some submarines to go with it?
• If I buy these submarines from China, I can get them on-line from AliBaba.com They do a really good deal on bulk purchases and there is free delivery.
• Also if I buy from China, they really understand corruption so there is no need to explain it all to them, Germans etc. can be really dense about this.
• We are not at war with any other country, only with ourselves, so the submarines don't really need to work very well, if at all.
• If we keep them at Sattahip they won't have to go deep and they can run on the surface most of the time, or just be parked up next to the aircraft carrier.
• I am too old and too fat to ever need to go in a submarine myself, so that also means their reliability is unimportant.
• With the flooding in Bangkok only likely to get worse in the future, the wife can use the submarines for the school run when they are not required by the Navy.

Unassailable Thainess and logic.

Please don't use the word "Thainess" when you obviously don't know what it means.

Otherwise, a good post!

Boris is a pathetic public schoolboy, who should never be allowed into politics as long as he lives , disgusting that Cameron even supported him. No doubt they did weird things together in their secret societies. Good riddance and get out of there Scotland as fast as you can.

It's a breath of fresh air hearing from you and 'hookedondhamma'!

Sadly we are outnumbered by those who like to pass judgement to liven up their boring days.

Yes, every religion has good and bad. I'll bet you won't get immigrants in the UK etc spouting off hatred towards Christianity, for example.

I really wonder why Thailand breeds the sort of immigrant it does. Maybe because most aren't real immigrants an think they are some kind of special immigrant called an expat and are superior to the rest of the world.

Before the internet it was easy to avoid them by moving barstool but now, they spread their vitriol all over every thread here. Very sad.

If you really believe that people moan and judge too much your point would have had more credibility if you had to done exactly the same in your post. Hypocrisy at its best.

I assume that English is not your first language as this post makes no logical sense.

Unbelievable - just unbelievable! Is there no end to the all-pervasive moral rottenness of this 'culture'?!

So you're saying you qualify to throw the first stone ... at everyone who falls under your definition of this culture?

He's an individual. His behavior, especially when hidden behind the facade of respectability that's implied by his vocation, cannot be defended and brings shame to those who try to live up to the expectations of monks, but attributing some pervasive rottenness to the entire culture is just childish name calling.

Whatever nationality or religion or culture we all consider as ours, there are individuals, whether religious, politicians, military, business leaders, sportsmen, celebrities or whatever who behave poorly. Many of them causing far worse consequences than this loser.

Why not tell us about your "culture" and how it exemplifies all that is wonderful in human nature while being free of any who fall short of the ideal.

+1 unfortunately you beat me to it. Well said!

+2

Love to hear Eligius's reply!

Remember, they are just men in orange robes!

men ? you are reaching to far .

Please explain what you mean, as it's rather a bizarre statement.

Sixteen replies and no obligatory it-happens-all-over-the-world comment?

You mean like the Catholic church ?

I was brought up an Irish Catholic ,but early on (roughly aged 12 ) found there story in the Tall tales league .Am now a buddist if anyone asks .

So, infinite afterlife until you finally learn to be one with the Universe does not sound like a tall tale?

I am curious, as you are now a Buddhist are you on your first life right now? Does this only start when you acknowledge your belief in Buddhism?

Seems quite plausible to me. I'm not a Buddhist btw.

Most Buddhist don't what life hey are on, do you think someone is taking a count?

Unless you are just out to take the piss out of the guy's religion, it's a utterly stupid question.

When I attempted to show the story to my wife, she wasn't interested in reading it. Took one quick look and said...

"Oh, he wasn't a well known Monk and anyway he's Already been De-frocked, so he's NOT a MONK."

Talk about denial ! and my wife is a highly educated Uni Graduate who's lived overseas and frequently pointed out to me, stories of Christian Priests Etc., who were found to be deviants but when it comes to Monks Monkeying around in Thailand, the whole thing is of no significance.

She also pretended she didn't understand what I was on about when I attempted to "open the can of worms" about the Monks funny Habit of doing Filthy Things to a Can of whatever.

Just Got To Love THAINESS !

Do you mean she has a PhD? Do you think just being a Thai uni graduate means she is highly-educated?

Do you think he still IS a monk?

Wat Chonprathan

I met the former abbot of there, Luang Por Panyanda, when in I lived in Non many years ago. He was and still is a very venerated monk He had close ties to Buddhadasa Bhikkhu, who in my opinion was one of the greatest monks of the last century. I spent time at his forest temple, Suan Mokh in the early 90s and learned so much.

If only some of the monk-bashers had an open mind to read some of their books instead of believing everything they read by people who know nothig

Exactly ,people spouting ridicule here are godless ,and spout the usual hatred about anything Thai .There is good and bad in every religion .

It's a breath of fresh air hearing from you and 'hookedondhamma'!

Sadly we are outnumbered by those who like to pass judgement to liven up their boring days.

Yes, every religion has good and bad. I'll bet you won't get immigrants in the UK etc spouting off hatred towards Christianity, for example.

I really wonder why Thailand breeds the sort of immigrant it does. Maybe because most aren't real immigrants an think they are some kind of special immigrant called an expat and are superior to the rest of the world.

Before the internet it was easy to avoid them by moving barstool but now, they spread their vitriol all over every thread here. Very sad.

Wat Chonprathan

I met the former abbot of there, Luang Por Panyanda, when in I lived in Non many years ago. He was and still is a very venerated monk He had close ties to Buddhadasa Bhikkhu, who in my opinion was one of the greatest monks of the last century. I spent time at his forest temple, Suan Mokh in the early 90s and learned so much.

If only some of the monk-bashers had an open mind to read some of their books instead of believing everything they read by people who know nothing.

Must have been old fashioned jam tins.

I think some think this is the Jokes forum.

Thai monks are now ranking the worst in the world. Have we heard anything good about Thai monks in these years?

Well thats it ,you dont hear about the good ones ,which i am sure 90% are .They just go about their daily chores ,which is less exciting that hearing about the exotic goings on of Pattaya etc .One good Monastery comes to mind .( must be thousands i dont know about ) ,Wat Thamkrabok ,who have treated thousands of drug addicts with very high results ,link https://youtu.be/NAW5r5jksb8

It really is a spiritual place ,https://youtu.be/OrvRteUuRD0

anto, I know people who recovered from addictions at that Saraburi temple.

There are, as you say 90% good monks but the regulars here hate Thailand and look for excuses to say bad things about her.

The good monks rarely leave their temple.

There are some sick individuals here that find the case of one bad monk hilarious.One such guy felt the need for 10 smileys. Sadly, these kind of posters have replaced the original ones who have been driven away by their negative attitudes and ignorance of the country.

Personally I'm getting sick of them too and would much rather read the Thai press and speak to Thai people than old miserable grumpy Thai-bashers. Why on earth would they come here in the first place?

Amazing Thailand !!! Never stops amazing amazing.

Monks with masturbating equipment

Webfact please stop posting things like this, the laughter is killing me.

Good job i have my medication to keep me calm.

Strange thou find it so funny.

It was ONE monk.

You haven't a clue buddy.

No.....you quite CLEARLY haven't a clue!

Read the original source, especially the comments at the end. I'm sure colinneil didn't or he wouldn't be laughing.

Sarcasm and tongue in cheek talk is an art lost on the Thai people and Asian in general.....

only to be met with a blank stare and lamb eyes look.....

You forgot Americans.

It took me many many years of trying to quit myself until I realized I couldn't. I tried many many ways but te only one to work was AA.

I tried therapy, counselling, meditation, prayer,becoming a monk, going to the gym everyday, rational recovery, smart recovery, reading self-help books etc.

In the end the only thing that could help me was an other alcoholic. SImple! What a waste of 20 years!

Have you thought about AA?