Heisenberg01

just the wounds caused by a man wearing a certain ring while he was raping a girl on koh tao long time ago.....

remind you something ?

Looks like road rash from falling off a motorcycle to me.

I think you should put the source of the picture to maintain some sanity to this thread. In all honesty..

Doesn't look like road rash to me and I've seen all kinds of it on my own and my riding buddies legs and arms over the years. The stitched-up areas wouldn't happen like that with road rash, no way.

The cuts on this girl's leg, Sean McEnna's arm, David's body= all the same weapon. Definitely.

The girl got those wounds jumping through/out of a window to escape the man in question, not from the ring.

The police testimony re the CCTV, he states Hannah seen entering AC bar with 3 friends, and there the trail ends not seen again so must have left via the back door.

What of her friends she enetered with, surely they had something to say but as far as i can read nothing from the prosecution about interviewing them etc.

This is very strange that there hasnt been anything either thorugh the court, or the press absolutely zip.

David entered on his own, fair enough but Hannah with 3 freinds.

Have i missed something, is there any statments from them about how they left her?

All these people who were with David and Hannah that night have remained totally silent in public, except for Tom Wood (see attached). It was reported in the U.K. press that the travelling companions of H&D had given statements to the U.K. police and that these had been sent on to the Thai authorities by Interpol, which was rightfully criticised as this is a death penalty case and against U.K. government policy.

Many thanks for the reply, its took me ages wading through the pssing contests gong on and obscenely long quotes but i got it.

What with Hannahs freinds being in the bar im sure any agro would have been witnessed, looks probable they left of their own accord, but odd nothing read out in court, of either cctv or the freinds statements.

You guys arguing the toss, your filling the thread up with bullshit, its 80% of pointless toing and afroing, its repetative and making it nigh on impossible for people who just want to keep up with the case, quote after quote after quote.

Please give it a rest..

The police testimony re the CCTV, he states Hannah seen entering AC bar with 3 friends, and there the trail ends not seen again so must have left via the back door.

What of her friends she enetered with, surely they had something to say but as far as i can read nothing from the prosecution about interviewing them etc.

This is very strange that there hasnt been anything either thorugh the court, or the press absolutely zip.

David entered on his own, fair enough but Hannah with 3 freinds.

Have i missed something, is there any statments from them about how they left her?

"Brits are 1 of the big 3 in the Eurozone who are now discussing putting a hold on buying Thai seafood products.

Probably best to keep good relations.

I've a feeling as Dave has had one word this won't be left to lie when the case is over."

There is also the Human trafficking and the aviation issues at the moment, the Thais are under a lot of heat make no mistake, 2 things that matter to them face and money,cant see it being related to this issue at all, but aint karma a bitch.

I was told by a guy in bar in Chaweng the other week, (seriously) that there had been quite a few young girl backpackers roofied over the years.

Also a good few woken in a right state and not knowing what they had been doing put it down to a heavy night and just carried on, but at least some has been to the local plod and not been taken seriously, even laughed at.

And that it was an unspoken fact amongst some of the locals who knew this, but chose to disregard it as not anything they could do about it.

Im sure ive read at least one account of this on here since the murders, i dont think its beyond the realms of possbility there was a gang of locals/etc carrying this out with relative inpunity.

Now there’s confusion over the condoms. In the migrants purported confession, they said they hadn’t used a condom when sexually assaulting Witheridge, despite the fact that police had said their sperm had been been found on a condom linked to the scene.

Now why would they say such a thing? perhaps they are a bit dim (cannot write also) and weren't versed in the fact that you are supposed to be quiet until a human rights lawyer butts in and interferes by telling you to deny everything (true or not).

they said they hadn’t used a condom when sexually assaulting Witheridge, despite the fact that police had said their sperm had been been found on a condom linked to the scene,

Instead of keep repeating this can you provide a link to them saying this?

Can people read back a post or 2 instead of reposting the tweets?

The one about the Mafia threatening the witness is approaching double figures now.

As much as I, and im sure most on here would love for a bombshell, new evidence to emerge and the real culprits found, an acceptance form the Thai juntas they were wrong and the real culprits ending up on the end of a firing squad i have to call bullshit on this.

Not for one minute do think the B2 DID IT, but i think there is too much dreaming go on, too many people wanting stufff to be true so bad they make stuff up and hope it comes true, or desperate to appear to be in the know.

Whers Fong these days as well?

Apologies if this turns out to be correct the next few days, but trying to be polite i call bullshit, and this is no RTp apologist, but someone with Thai stepdaughter, Half Thai daughter, land and Buisness owner who wont set foot in the shit hole country ever again, nor will my children whilst im responsible for them.

Murders happen everywhere i know, but the audacity shown here has finsished me.

Thailand, your fookin out!

Heisenberg01 I think its allready been proven its not the same bloke, also not the night she was killed.

Possibly? I'm unaware when she arrived, guess I should check that out somewhere, do you know? I would have thought there would have been a lot more photos and video of her the night before if that was the case, but of course the cctv a crucial piece of evidence that appears to have disappeared.

I just remember this photo has been discussed beofre, there is the hoe guy, The shark tooth/stingray ring guy that people keep mixing up and assuming its the same person.

I think the one in this pic is neither.

Same as the photo of the son with a pretty blonde people kept saying it was Hannah when it wasnt.

I do agree there is very little on the photo front of this time period around.

Interesting post and photo over at CSI, they are pointing out 3 Burmese who worked in AC bar one of whom left quickly after the murders to Kawthoung next to Ranong province. Another is an AC bar dj and the other allegedly the Headmans right hand man. The Burmese guy who left apparently saw Nomsod on the night of the murders

I do not claim the above to be fact (for our sad man) its pure speculation as only those on the Island will know whether this is true or not?

The guy next to C holding the glass looks like the same person that was mocking people by holding a hoe and putting it on Facebook .

Hopefully Scotland yard and the burmese lawyers have this info because it would be very doubtfull that the thai police followed up on this.

Agree with you Stealth. The man next to C does look like the hoe man.

And here he is again right next to Hannah on the night she was killed

I think its allready been proven its not the same bloke, also not the night she was killed.

What did the Jock say, something about the 3 who failed to show up for work the next day?

Shes kinda hot.

You would, wouldnt you?

This is what happens when planted posters, with the agenda of unknown origin,

demand social media step up their game,

as speculated earlier,

there is a photo of Nomsod's uncle, Mon, Montriwat

harrassing and groping Hannah prior to her brutal rape and murder on Ko Tao

Mon, same guy that chased Sean into the store? Montriwat

Mon, same guy that was on the crime scene? Montriwat

Mon, same guy that lied about Sean's blood dates? Montriwat

and they are all just going to let the kid Nomsod take all the blame for Montriwat?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/What-about-bar-manager-accused-of-harassing-victim-30246806.html

Strong stuff mate, you sound confident to be fair.

Looking forward to proof of this, if it surfaces.

Some of you should try looking at this whitout massive desire for JDinasia to be proved wrong.

He makes some very good points, we all know it doesnt add up, something is very wrong but the chances of the son being on the island are very very slim.

He wasnt at island, i allready told you.

I know this how? I know him,i would of seen him,hes family would of seen him .

Ive talked him and he truly is up and depressed becase of all this . It has ruined he's life for long time.

Hes uncle gave dna wich happened day after Sean bs. Got cleared ,that would of allready shud cleared him 2 as theiy same blood. Next test was just to silence the media. U guys really think that this goes all the way up and hole system would be jeopedisared bcase of koh tao? Ufos are real then 2.

Talk all you want he didnt do it. And neither had Mon enything to do it either.

His conduct during this time has been scetchy at best.

If it were me I would have held a press conference , sent a message to hanna and David's parents expressing my sadness , released all cctv footage. I would have welcomed the British police and offered myself independant blood testing.

He's done nothing except the bare minimum and even that has been done in a shady way.

At the start i would have put money on him being the guilty party, simply put the way it was reported he stood out like a sore thumb.

However as time has gone by ive gone off the idea, something would have surfaced by now, some actual proof of him being on the island, airline records, uni freinds blabbing, statements from some of the freinds of the deceased.

Backpacker are gregarious, in the photos doing the round it shows the deceased in many group photos, not one of the freinds they were travelling with or fellow backpackers have come forward, especially with the DNA tets and the insistance that he wasnt on the island, not one has seen that and thought hang on the lying bastards wheres sky news phone number?

Im sorry, but its a no from me regarding the son.

Thats not to say hes not a shady bastard, and im sure involved in god knows what else on the island in days gone by.

The Burmese, never.

Im starting to think they just genuinely dont know who did it, the B2 as scapegoats look like its falling to bits. they needed a neat result and 10 years ago would have got it but for social media this isnt going to happen today.

I think its just a case of hoping it will all go away and be forgotten as time moves on, again unfortunately social media is getting in the way.

Just useless police and useless investigation got nowhere, they fell back on the age old tried and tested blame it on the Burmese and unfortunately this time it looks like failling.

It seems I was mistaken and I apologetically withdraw my comment that the policeman who died in suspicious circumstances was connected to murder island.

The news link states that he was removed from his post along with his commanding officer shortly after the murders and stated he had

something important to tell the media.

It was assumed and posted on a thread that it was murder island related but, in retrospect this man seems to have been involved in other

illegal activities.

I can find n o direct link to him and the island.

Again I apologise, it was totally unintentional and I hope did not inconvenience or confuse anyone.

Ha ha ha.

No worries, i wasnt having a pop mate, its just every day something gets picked up and then someone ends up argueing with Jdinasia and quoting all these bullet pointed "facts" which under scrutiny most are not facts at all.

Every copper and his dog above seargant was on Tao at some point during the investigation so it wouldnt surprise me if he had at some point set foot on the islands.

So, the policeman who was on murder island and announced he had something to tell the press has turned up dead in starnge circumstances.

Full story:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/778618-former-csd-crime-buster-dies-in-unexplained-circumstances/?utm_source=newsletter-20141123-1335&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

Someone asked in the thread and it has allready been pointed out that there is zero link to this policeman and Koh Tao/The Koh Tao murders.

Nor has there been any link to him :having something to say to the press:

Or have i missed something, its getting hard to keep up with folk embellishing to make things dovetail.

No embelishments from me!!

Read post 49 on the thread pertaining to the dead policeman.

One guy claims he was on Koh Tao, that makes it gospel?

Not having a pop at you as such, its just easy to see how and why Jdinasia questions what he does.

A lot of info on here is taken as the absolute truth after somebody suggests something and several threads later its the gods own truth and being discussed as fact.

The simple truth is there is no link to this guy and the Koh Tao case, at least non that has been posted on here yet.

So, the policeman who was on murder island and announced he had something to tell the press has turned up dead in starnge circumstances.

Full story:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/778618-former-csd-crime-buster-dies-in-unexplained-circumstances/?utm_source=newsletter-20141123-1335&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

Someone asked in the thread and it has allready been pointed out that there is zero link to this policeman and Koh Tao/The Koh Tao murders.

Nor has there been any link to him :having something to say to the press:

Or have i missed something, its getting hard to keep up with folk embellishing to make things dovetail.

Just an observation:

I find it strange how a few on here fall for or follow the RTP line hook line and sinker.

In the face of international criticism and concern of police corruption in this case, suspects cleared by the RTP means absolutely nada, unless of course you believe everything they say and have faith in the Thai Justice system.

Being cleared by the police means that you are not a suspect. Which is far from being "nada"

Im not being funny mate, i agree with with some of what your trying to get across, but do you really believe half of what you actually type?

Being cleared by police in Thailand means your not a suspect, technically yes you are correct but surely you must accept that it doesnt actually account for much, are you just being stubborn or do you actually believe that the police have done a good job on this case and are to be believed?

I think Sean did speak with police in UK,

I read where it was arranged by a uk reporter

I also think this doesnt go away,

it gets worse and takes some big people down

Mcanna has done an interview with the Mail, he said so himself.

For whatever reason its not gone to print.

Yet....

Yes, even though the defenders of the Thai investigation (and suppression of Brit involvement) are often a pain-in-the-you-know-what, it's useful to hear some of what they opine, (except perhaps IL, who keeps going with his baby-talk banter).

It relates to the early stage of the investigation, with the original police head, when thing were going reasonably sensibly: i.e. Mon and Nomsod were still the prime suspects, and evidence was was continuing to point at them. Then all of a sudden, a new head cop was appointed by Bkk, and the headline which followed said (in effect), "Investigators are now looking at visiting football players and Burmese suspects." At that same moment, Mon and Nomsod were mysteriously no longer suspects.

What I'm trying to convey here, is that it's useful sometimes, to hear what officialdom is thinking/planning. Officialdom doesn't always announce their thoughts, so JD and some others are a window to that.

On social media, there is a photo of one of a visiting football player (or is it an AC bouncer?) - which shows him partying within inches of Hannah on that fateful night. Another recent photo of him (or the bouncer) shows the same man wearing a sharks-tooth ring, which is the sort of weapon which could inflict the injuries shown on David. The Thai is a big hefty fellow, and could more plausibly overpower a tall man like David. Much more likely than the pint-sized Burmese.

It's telling that Thai officialdom cares not a whit for the scenario in the boisterous bar - prior to the crime that night. Or perhaps they're apprised of the scenario, but don't want to make any mention to the public, because it will implicate the headman's people.

I think it's unlikely there was a one on one fight with David. That's not the way Thai thugs operate. They prefer the dog pack style. More likely three or four of the bastards overpowered David, either holding upright or on the ground while one of them, probably a left hander judging by the pattern of the wounds, enjoyed himself stabbing him with a shark's tooth ring, punch knife or diver's knife. I wonder how long it will be before they strike like that again.

The possibility of David's wounds being inflicted by the same hoe that was used to kill Hannah (without a trace of his DNA being left on it) or any other blunt instrument, as reported in the police autopsy report, seem to be virtually nil and must raise grave doubts about the integrity of the rest of the work performed by the police's Institute of Forensic Medicine on the case, including the DNA testing. As Khunying Pornthip has said the collection of evidence from the unsealed off crime scene without the presence of a trained forensic pathologist created serious contamination. As she has said in the past not specific to this case, letting the police present forensic evidence through their own Institute of Forensic Medicine where all the doctors are police officers under the direct command of the national police office, with no independent corroboration is a farce in cases where there the police have a conflict of interests, which is so often the case.

any girls still going to those bars and out after the groups go home is in danger on ko tao

You would be surprised.

There are various facebook sites that show the Ibiza/Koh tao mentality is still strong with young travellers even with what has happened.

Makes you wonder how many women have woken up with no recollection of what they did the night before.

What jdinasia is saying is that your expertise and analysis are bogus and there are no witnesses that have come forward. If there were they would be part of the case.

Point - not one of the people on the island has come forward to state publicly that anyone other than the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers is involved. This includes foreigners on the island that night.

This is where you are getting lost. What about the taxi driver who came forward? What about the farang (Sean) who came forward? What about the RTP who came forward at the time and said they had evidence that certain people were involved? You seem to constantly forget about these people coming forward. You maintain there has never been any evidence... when there has been hoards of evidence that always mysteriously gets left behind some place else.

This is why it is obvious that you have an interest personally in protecting some people from other people saying bad things about them. Now if it was me, and I knew bad things about people I know, I probably wouldn't be saying anything. I would find it very hard to defend anyone (even my best friend... or brother or uncle) against crimes of such a violent and brutal nature.

I would imagine that had farangs come forward to offer up evidence to the local police, in the prevailing ENE wind, there would have been a flurry of floaters stretching from Chumpon to Nakhon ST.

Doh!!!

Months have passed, not 1 pic of the guy the conspiracy theorists want to hang this on has appeared showing him on the island. Not one article in the press about the conspiracy theorists furniture at the apartments...

Nothing.

The man has a point.

I posted weeks back, not one person come forward of any nationality not Hannahs or Davids friends not one traveller or expat anywhere claiming the son was on the island that night.

I thought initially maybe the freinds were being told to bide their time, keep the powder dry by the UK police and the silence is strange, but i find it hard to believe it could be hussed up with such silence.

Not that i think the B2 did it for one minute, my money would be on the fat smug basterd posing with the hoe.

Ok, as I mentioned earlier I just made some communications with my contact on the island of Koh Tao.

3. The Boycott Koh Tao campaign has resulted in a FIFTY % drop in business revenue ACROSS THE ISLAND. At my own contacts location they are reporting almost nil income!

Thats a real shame.

Not!

I'm not sure where to post this-

the body of missing Swiss snorkeler on KT has been found naked with what appears to be stab wounds to his left side. The photo's are on the CSILA.

You are not sure where to post this garbage because nothing like this is on CSI LA. There is NO MENTION of stab wounds, just that the diver (may he rest in peace) had a sore eye prior to diving. Please stop spreading rumors.

To be fair to mr Lozza there is a post in Thai by some bird, its in Thai so no idea what shes on about but the picture shows a body being pulled out the sea in a fishing net.It looks like it has some trauma on the side of the body.

Not sure if its related to/is the missing Swiss guy or not so could be croosed wires.

Its not on the Masters timeline, you have to go to posted comments on the left.