lausie

Oh yep, that'll be me

Having read that a number of cases have been dismissed by the judge/courts, I'd like to hope the Judge may have sense to do the same here. He has already been bold enough to publicly return the court papers and accepted that the defendants could use an official translator in the courts, but we'll see. I'm an eternal optimist.

I tweeted the OP on this thread to Mark Kent asking if it was true or whether words were being put in his mouth again.

He replied with "I think the FCO statement yesterday was pretty clear".

Jeeez, The UK Government had better sack that pesky work experience chap who updated the FCO website, issued the press release to the media, tweeted from Mark Kent's account and so on. Clearly he misheard!

If anyone is interested in doing the same, I'm currently putting a bit of effort into trawling through photos on Instagram using various hashtags (#KohTaoBarCrawl #KohTaoPubCrawl #ACBar, #KohTao etc). It's a bit of a time consuming process, but a photo of Uni Boy on KT on Sunday 14th Sept would make for an interesting development and a photo of Sean with a cut on his arm prior to Sunday 14th Sept would also deal with that question mark...

It should be clarified when Sean's wounds were first noticed.

Was it after the murders (15-21 Sep), or after he was pursued into 7-11 on the 22nd?

It has only occurred to me now that the wounds could have been inflicted as part of a frame-up, the day he escaped into 7-11.

An AC bar worker claiming he was covered in blood on the night (of the murders) is mmm - an AC bar employee...

from his soundcloud account ....

Sean Hayes McAnna says:

@csi la, I don't have a means of contacting you directly. I deleted Facebook and I'm not giving out my email address or phone number.

The cut was from my bike, so was the burn on my leg. I don't know why that's hard to understand. I've said it enough times. In any case, if it needs to be proven I can use video evidence from a bar I went to on the 10th and 11th. But they don't want the attention of plastic detectives or bad custom ruining their bar. Main thing is, it's provable. And the police took the blood from my guitar and my bag, which matched my DNA (I had everything on when I came off the bike, hence why they had blood on them). After the crash I went straight to the dive shop I was going to be working with and they seen it too (they had to sort my accommodation as part of the course)

Also, to the other username guy: I spoke to the Sunday mail. They haven't put anything up yet, but the full conversation was about what happened the night I got chased to the shop, and why the accusations are being thrown my way. I've also mentioned that no one believes it was the 2 Burmese guys and anyone would be stupid to even consider it.

But listen to me. You don't know me. You don't know how this has affected me. You are wrong about me. So think about what that means to tell someone that they've murdered their friend, or that they're holding something back which could help the family get past it or save two lives. I'm devastated mate. But no, I'm not scared for my life. I'm in Europe in a flat with a job and a girlfriend. If I had anything worth saying I would say it. Again, the papers misconstrued my comments disastrously. I've done nothing wrong and although I want people to keep pushing on this case to get it solved, I also want people to have a bit of consideration and ask themselves "what if I'm wrong?" before insulting me on a place where my mother and sisters can read your spiteful little comments.

Thank you

I'm sorry, but all words and no move to prove anything, or to clear your name forever? You have video footage but you cannot release it, to protect the good name of the bar? A few minutes of footage would stop most of the speculation immediately, full stop. Just more avoidance imo. Not many bars around that have an image to protect.

I seem to remember seeing a Brit based on KT confirming that she had seen the cut on Sean's arm days before the murders and she said that they were from a motorbike incident. I think she posted it on Facebook but I wouldn't have a clue where to find it now. Did anyone else see it? Of course she might not be telling the truth, but it would seem odd to lie/cover for him given the circumstances.

His latest message seems pretty coherent. Will be interesting to see the Sunday Mail article...

How about offering a reward for a photograph showing Sean McAnna with/without the stab wounds, taken between 9 September and 15 September? After all he has stated that many people saw him.

So, he worked in Karma bar, hung out at all the classy establishments and loved to be in the spotlight - not a terribly difficult thing to imagine someone, somewhere has one.

Prove someone is lying and the house of cards could collapse.

Sean's wounds would have begun to heal after 5-6 days.

If you look at CSI LA Sean has a push knife on a chain around his neck-it has been red circled. Photo was taken at the supermarket. Also Mon had his phone in his left hand taking photo's of Sean.

Wait a moment... I saw that grainy pic, that thing hanging from Sean's neck can be anything..Not necessarily a push knife.

If it's the same thing thats around his neck the following morning when being interviewed it actually appears to be a lighter. I imagine it is the same thing as it would seem strange to have a jewellery/accessory change in the midst of all that madness!

2 Canadian female backpackers visited KT this year , got hooked up with Sean only a friendly basis , were introduced to a couple of his Thai mates , got invited to a late night beach party , got drunk , somewhat stoned , and the last thing they can remember was falling asleep there.

Next thing they wake up , clothing partially removed , both sexually assaulted , and one of them was robbed ( her bag cleaned out ) phone stolen , and her diving watch removed.

Very ashamed they left KT that day , on Samui they contacted the tourist police who advised they had best return to KT and initiate a formal complaint with authorities there first ...Seems correct and in procedure .

Their parents advised them both to leave immediately and then they did.

They have tried to contact Sean since to verify why he left them on that beach with approximately ( they recollect at that time ) 7 thai guys and disappeared stating he was going to get more drinks and another guitar ??? but to no avail he won't correspond .

Due to embarrassment and one of the girls with episodic mental issues they both decide to waive the event and move on , regarding themselves lucky !

Oh and the ironic thing with no reference to direct blame or responsibility to Sean or any current suspects they found one used condom , ( only 1 ).

Also the both vaguely remember a caucasian was drinking with them , but they cannot remember his name or whether he hung around , he was travelling from New Zealand and was leaving the island soon.

My next door neighbour in AU is related to one of those girls , and i met her recently .

She continues to receive counselling , cannot concentrate at work , terminated her engagement to her long term boyfriend and has become paranoid and almost reclusive .

I'm sure if innocent Sean has sympathy and understanding for these 2 innocent women who didnt expect to be drugged and pack raped.

Im sure this happens all the time and i don't suggest the current suspects or two burmese are responsible , but i think Sean Mcanna knows who they actually are , and probably not what they actually did .

I ask posters here to consider if one of these two innocent women were related or a love one .

if Sean Mcanna knows anything about the current case , he should talk to the correct authorities and it may just be possible he can save 2 more innocent lives ( The 2 burmese currently on death row ).

I don't vindicate or have any personal ill feelings to anyone and i humbly respect all poster here and their opinions , but i think the whole world knows quite well how Thailand works and how it has been run for many years.

Unfortunately the corruption is both systemic and systematic and almost impossible to wipe out.

When dangerous people are above the law , it puts everyone at risk !

It seems like Sean is not the guy you would expect to do the right thing, though, is he?

Do you think this is a push knife on his person?

This has come up a lot. The following day, during interviews, you can see it more clearly and it actually appears to be a lighter around his neck.

Looks like CSI LA blocked in Thailand now.

If you find that facebook or certain accounts DO become blocked, just logon via a proxy server (google should be able to help you with this). It's how people continue to use it in China and other countries where access is blocked.

Hugo Swire, the Minister of State for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has tweeted:

"Spoke to #Thai govt re tragic Witheridge & Miller murders. Vital investigation is fair & transparent & families have regular detailed info."

Mark Kent retweeted.

I posted this on another thread, so hope its ok to duplicate on this one...

For anyone interested, the CSI LA page spotted that Sean McAnna uploaded two songs to Soundcloud on 4th October, so it looks like he's alive, unless someone has access to his stuff - https://soundcloud.com/seanmcanna

There are some interesting lyrics in the track 'Johnny' - 1:38 "I'm still waiting at the hotel bar. They beg of you, but they don't need you, still they won't let you go. And I, I, so near so far...'. Might be nothing, but could be a message in there somewhere.

What a lot of rubbish is being put out on here about Saun MCanna!

No big mystery at all. He was in the company of UK media journalists shortly after the convenience store incident until he left the Island and gave a number of interviews to the UK press. It was later reported by those sources that he had left Thailand safely and gone to his girlfriend in Italy. His sister also confirmed that on Facebook before she shut the page down as advised by the UK FO.

All this nonsense about him being in sinister cahoots with Mon and co to set up gang rapes is complete fantasy concocted out of mindless gossip. The guy is just a very young over dramatic attention seeking spliff smoking musician. Thailand and the cheap backpacking circuit is full of them world over.

ALL friends of the victims would have been advised to keep any evidential statements quiet as their testimony could be highly relevant in obtaining convictions at the correct time. Spewing their guts to media or anywhere else for the titillation and entertainment of a load of ghoulish morons pawing over their friends awful deaths would be of no value to them.

Seriously, get a grip people.

Not sure why you quoted my post. Did I write anything about Sean being sinister?

I posted it because there have been a flurry of posts overnight asking whether he's alive etc etc. His recent web activity suggests he might be. Re the lyrics, I'm a vocalist and part of my job is to analyse lyrics that I have to sing. There could be a message in there, or there might not.

I think a lot of the posts made about him being sinister are imaginitive at best, but then I don't live on the island and nor do I know him. However, I personally think it was an utter disgrace for that Scottish newspaper to print that article about his criminal background which resulted in him being branded a paedo and going silent at what was potentially the most crucial time for him to talk. I suspect it has also played a huge part in fueling this 'Sinister Sean' fire. If anyone would have taken the time to try and understand his conviction before judging him, it would have soon become clear that it was not quite as the paper reported.

I posted this on another thread, so hope its ok to duplicate on this one...

For anyone interested, the CSI LA page spotted that Sean McAnna uploaded two songs to Soundcloud on 4th October, so it looks like he's alive, unless someone has access to his stuff - https://soundcloud.com/seanmcanna

There are some interesting lyrics in the track 'Johnny' - 1:38 "I'm still waiting at the hotel bar. They beg of you, but they don't need you, still they won't let you go. And I, I, so near so far...'. Might be nothing, but could be a message in there somewhere.

For anyone interested, the CSI LA page spotted that Sean McAnna uploaded two songs to Soundcloud on 4th October, so it looks like he's alive, unless someone has access to his stuff - https://soundcloud.com/seanmcanna

There are some interesting lyrics in the track 'Johnny' - 1:38 "I'm still waiting at the hotel bar. They beg of you, but they don't need you, still they won't let you go. And I, I, so near so far...'. Might be nothing, but could be a message in there somewhere.

The video is available to watch on the csi la Facebook page. You'll see a few copies of the video including one where the contrast has been altered which makes it much clearer. There is definitely someone in front.

The question is who is that person and why was the video cut (albeit badly) so as to remove him?

When the police, in any country, release CCCV footage of a suspect they only show footage of the suspect. They don't show footage before & after of people who are not of interest to the investigation. I would have thought this to be obvious, to a westerner, from both experience & education.

Is that right? Are you trained in law and/or policing or did you just make up this crock of sh*t?

Oh, and I assume you mean CCTV.

Please sign this petition if you haven't already - http://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller

Would love to, but what goes where? it is all in Thai. i tried and filled in what I thought was correct, but it was rejected.

I just looked at it & the top portion was in English, the bottom half is in Thai. It's pretty simple. Just fill in the form on the right & click the big honking "Submit Button" below it.

32 people have signed it in the last 10 minutes or so.

I just went on the site again and the box in red you fill in is all in Thai. Why have this box in Thai or is that who you are targeting to sign?

You should find a drop down menu at the bottom right of the page where you can select the language. It defaults depending on your location.

I wasn't aware that the papers that you mention have printed that the boys have recanted their confessions-yes, those papers have more clout.

There is a lot of press coverage now:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11145536/Thai-police-deny-cover-up-of-Britons-murders.html & http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html

The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/suspects-britons-murder-thailand-police-brutality

ITV News: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-10-07/burmese-murder-suspects-in-british-tourist-killings-say-they-were-beaten/

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784707/Burmese-migrants-RECANT-murder-confession-British-tourists-Human-rights-groups-urge-Thailand-investigate-claims-duo-tortured.html

The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-murders-burmese-suspect-4398149

New York Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/thai-police-deny-suspects-confessed-beach-murders-torture-article-1.1966290

Khaosod English: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1412595379

Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/national/myanmar-man-charged-in-murder-of-british-tourists-says-he-was-tortured-by-police-20141008-10rrxa.html

The Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/murder-suspects-allege-thai-police-brutality-1.1955225

News.com.au: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/thailand-beach-murders-burmese-suspect-claims-he-was-beaten-tortured-by-police/story-fnizu68q-1227083365604

New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11339226

Good work sir, thank you for the links..keep the pressure on. I think there is a petition going around too. Can you provide that link as well?

Link to the petition: http://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller?recruiter=51139167&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html

The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality

ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html

The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149

New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290

Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379

Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html

The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225

News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604

New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226

Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim

Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface

The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case

Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

What, you mean they are reporting on it - newspapers tend to do this kind of thing!!!.

Yep, that's exactly what they are doing. And in doing that, they are drawing it to the attention of a lot of people worldwide. Those people may then pay closer attention to the case than they might have done if they hadn't reported on it.

I think I've made my point, what was yours?

I think that the police are pretty happy and confident with the case that they have presented - if not the rather shabby way in which it came about. Now it is down to the courts to decide!!

This report from Sanook News suggests the public prosecutor on Samui has doubts about (at least part of) the story and evidence provided by the RTP, as he wont accept what's in the current 800-page report and just sent the entire case back to the police: http://news.sanook.com/1679733/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%99-%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%86%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%9D%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2/

Of course, I don't know whether theres any truth in that as yet, but interesting if there is.

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html

The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality

ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html

The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149

New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290

Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379

Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html

The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225

News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604

New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226

Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim

Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface

The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case

Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

What, you mean they are reporting on it - newspapers tend to do this kind of thing!!!.

Yep, that's exactly what they are doing. And in doing that, they are drawing it to the attention of a lot of people worldwide. Those people may then pay closer attention to the case than they might have done if they hadn't reported on it.

I think I've made my point, what was yours?

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html
The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality
ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/
Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html
The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149
New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290
Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379
Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html
The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225
News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604
New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226
Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim
Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface
The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case
Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/10/08/torture-twist-in-thai-case

Irish Independent: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/coverup-claims-denied-in-thai-backpacker-murders-30647617.html

Sky news: http://news.sky.com/story/1349276/thailand-murder-suspects-in-torture-claim

Bangkok post:. REMOVED AGAINST FORUM RULES.

I have, however, just emailed Sky News to see if they'lll run a story. Better to use some of the negativity for more constructive purposes.