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5 hours ago, atyclb said:
the act of threatening dr fauci is unacceptable regardless of origin.
as the article you so graciously linked stated "the source of the threats was not identified." why would i believe or disbelieve trump supporters are behind the threats? because per the article the source is unknown
That's the kind of problems which may arise when an issue which should have remained a scientic debate between health professional is used for political propaganda. Fauci contradicted Trump's statements on several occasions, including this one, thus preventing Trump from looking better than he really is.
Some people may be angry at Fauci for other reasons, but it's unlikely.
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19 minutes ago, rabas said:But isn't Pandemic, (wide spreading) what individual countries need to worry about? Isn't that why we have a declaration? Isn't that WHO's job, to signal countries when to prepare? If not, then why do we need the WHO? Why are they given the responsibility?
The answer is that China delayed each step along the way as long as possible until events forced them to open up, and WHO followed like a puppy dog. They covered up human to human transmission as long as they could. Did you know that Thailand had already sequenced the full genome before China provided it to the world? Thailand simply confirmed within hours "Yep, that's it". China had no choice but to release it after Thailand had sequenced it.
The WHO did not wait the declaration of pandemic to alert other countries and make recommendations. I.e. below on Feb. 10. Wasn't it a clear warning?
"COVID-19. The coronavirus has a new name but should still be treated as public enemy number one. That's the message from the World Health Organisation (WHO), in its gravest warning yet about the deadly outbreak.
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned governments not to underestimate the political and social risks of the virus, which has already killed more than 1,000 people, but added that countries can realistically thwart the threat if enough resources are allocated.
“Viruses can have more powerful consequences than any terrorist action,” Ghebreyesus said during a daily briefing on Tuesday.
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8 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:The 'experts' that did not declare a Pandemic until the middle of March? Ok, release suction now and step away from the w.ho. ????
Have you read the definition of 'pandemic? Declaring a pandemic is not an assessment of dangerousness, it's an acknowledgement that a disease has spread in several countries and affects a significant number of people. One doesn't declare a pandemic in anticipation, before it occurs.
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35 minutes ago, rabas said:
And yet amazingly, the top six EU countries of equal population to the US have far more cases and vastly more deaths than the US. They were even using Chloroquine before Trump mentioned Chloroquine.
EU-6 = UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland : 51,127 dead.
US : 12,857 dead
Why: EU was listening to you know WHO.
It doesn't make sense to compare, at one point of time, two cases which are at different stages on the diffusion curve. If you look at the diffusion curve's profiles, it doesn't look better for the US. It will just reach these numbers later.
As for the evoked causality, it doesn't make sense as the epicentre in Europe, Italy, implemented a CHINA travel ban before the US. It also implemented a full ban while the US only initially implemented restrictions.
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9 hours ago, JonnyF said:Correct. The WHO has handled this very poorly indeed. They handed out a lot of very poor advice which has undoubtedly made the situation worse.
However, many people have an irrational hate of Donald Trump so they will disagree. If Trump said water was wet they'd disagree. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts.
The WHO has been a bit slow to react as it relies on available information. Here are it's recommendation as of Feb. 28 after analysing the evolution of the epidemic in CHINA
For countries with imported cases and/or outbreaks of COVID-19
1. Immediately activate the highest level of national Response Management protocols to ensure the all-of-government and all-of-society approach needed to contain COVID-19 with non-pharmaceutical public health measures;
2. Prioritize active, exhaustive case finding and immediate testing and isolation, painstaking contact tracing and rigorous quarantine of close contacts;
3. Fully educate the general public on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in preventing its spread;
4. Immediately expand surveillance to detect COVID-19 transmission chains, by testing all patients with atypical pneumonias, conducting screening in some patients with upper respiratory illnesses and/or recent COVID-19 exposure, and adding testing for the COVID-19 virus to existing surveillance systems (e.g. systems for influenza-like-illness and SARI); and
5. Conduct multi-sector scenario planning and simulations for the deployment of even more stringent measures to interrupt transmission chains as needed (e.g. the suspension of large-scale gatherings and the closure of schools and workplaces).
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2 hours ago, candide said:It's a lie. The Dems did not call Trump a racist for closing air travel from CHINA. There isn't any quote mentioning the CHINA travel ban.
1 hour ago, DoctorG said:As often with Trumpers, your link does not support your initial claim. The linked video dates from March 12 and does not address the CHINA travel ban decision made on Jan. 31. It is a general critic of Trump's policy and mentions he does not believe the Europe travel ban will stop the virus spread. Unfortunately, he has been proven right.
So there's no quote of Biden, Pelosi ect.... criticizing the CHINA travel ban. It's just one of Trumps lies.
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7 hours ago, DoctorG said:
While Trump was setting up the task force at the end of January, Democrats were just too busy trying to impeach him, and calling him a racist for closing air travel from China.
It's a lie. The Dems did not call Trump a racist for closing air travel from CHINA. There isn't any quote mentioning the CHINA travel ban.
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So after finding out that public opinion supported the ousted Captain, Trump now says he's a good man. Pathetic.
"He shouldn't be talking that way': Trump rips ousted Navy captain"
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/04/trump-brett-crozier-letter-165020
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58 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:So your posts are not motivated by the will to attack Trump?
And thanks for confirming Cuomo banned the use hydroxychloroquine for outpatient use. That was precisely the point of my post.
EDIT: Actually, you might be right, depending on the timeline. The FDA released the following guidance on March 28 (emphasis added):
"On March 28, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile(SNS) to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19."
You see! Cuomo was smart enough to anticipate the decision of the FDA.
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56 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:
Wow, ad hominem. Apparently I struck a nerve. I'm guessing by now you've read about Cuomo preventing medical advancements to treat COVID-19 with Hydroxychloroquine and obviously understand the optics of it- especially given the plethora, hundreds of millions, of FREE doses being donated. And that doesn't count actual SALES.
The usual Trumper's fake news. Cuomo just follows FDA's guidelines.
"In a March 23 executive order, Mr. Cuomo barred pharmacists from filling prescriptions for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, its next-generation derivative, except for FDA-approved uses, such as for treating malaria or lupus, or as part of clinical trials for COVID-19.
The next day, the Democratic governor announced that the Trump administration and FDA had accelerated deliveries of the drug to New York for experimental therapies aimed at treating the novel coronavirus, adding that “hospitals will start using that drug today.”
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/5/rudy-giuliani-urges-andrew-cuomo-lift-hydroxychlor/
Had Trump not opened his big gob, Cuomo and others would likely not need to issue warnings in order to avoid uncontrolled use and stockpiling.
And now you try to convince us that your posts are not motivated by the will to support Trump in any case, as your previous posting record shows beyond any reasonable doubt. Lol.
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13 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:
It wasn't a third party. It was the German broker.
"Contrary to what the Berlin Senator Andreas Geisel claims, the US government has not intercepted and redirected any masks intended for the German capital to its own country. As a spokesman for the Berlin police told the "Tagesspiegel", there could be no question of "confiscating". The police had ordered the masks from a German middleman, who apparently then diverted the goods to the United States. Overall, it was about a delivery of 200,000 masks that belonged to a package of 400,000 FFP-2 mouthguards, according to the newspaper from the production of the US company 3M. The delivery was "detained and rerouted in Thailand," the police said. The contractual partner, i.e. the German dealer, provides for replacement."
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Haben-USA-Masken-doch-nicht-abgefangen-article21693615.html
My two cents. This article is based on another article in Tagespielgel, so it would be better to refer to the original article (it's the Tagespiegel which interviewed the Berlin police). There are slight divergences between the two articles.
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Personally my bet would be on Kushner's task force as it is able to play on the private side when needed.
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1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:
Translation of first paragraph:
"On Friday the outrage was great in Berlin: Interior Senator Geisel accused the United States of having intercepted certain masks for the German capital in the Far East and redirected them to their own country. But now it turns out that that's not true at all."
As far as I understand (paragraph. 2) the police has changed its wording from "confiscated" to "diverted".
In paragraph 3 the article states that it hasn't been diverted at the request of Washington's government without explaining why it states so. Then discuss several options. It seems the Berlin police doesn't know what happened and is still investigating.
Actually, the article relates what was written in another newspaper, which is not more precise.
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1 hour ago, Logosone said:
Well, that's exactly what happened, it evolved, possibly in cats or ferrets until it could be transmitted to humans. And it was.
And yes, it is very, very, very bad news.
But good news, mosquitos are not carriers.
However, cats are a real danger.
On top of it, it may well be transmitted to rats and mice... OMG
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This is bad news. If it can be transmitted to animals, the virus can evolve in an unknown way and possibly be transmitted back to humans.
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2 hours ago, a340bangla1 said:Well, the German press was reporting yesterday that the rerouting to the US in Bangkok was done by the German trading company with which the government of Berlin (city) had placed the order. Link in German https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/USA-haben-Schutzmasken-doch-nicht-abgefangen-article21693615.html
It seems neither 3M nor the tRump White House had anything to do with this.
But some member of the SPD has egg on his face.
Interesting. However, as far as my knowledge of German allows me to understand, it seems the article only explores alternative explanations and doesn't draw a clear conclusion. And has a title with a question mark at the end.
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And the moron goes on....
President Trump prevented Dr. Anthony S. Fauci from answering a question on hydroxychloroquine on Sunday during a coronavirus task force briefing.Credit..
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus.html
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7 hours ago, JackThompson said:
The move by Trump to stop the export of masks from the USA, came after the state of Florida had it's 3M orders delayed, due to foreign-buyers showing up and Paying In Cash to take 3M mask shipments which had been allocated to Florida's orders.
Fox News......
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51 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:
You know what? You're right. The chances of Biden being lucid enough to even realize he was making his comments the day after Trump announced travel restrictions from China are slim to none. In fact, the chances of Biden being lucid enough to even know he was doing anything but making a generic, ad hominem attack on Trump are also slim to none.
My bad. Carry on.
Deflection....
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2 hours ago, Logosone said:
On 31 December Wuhan CDC admitted that there was a cluster of unknown pneumonia cases related to Huanan Seafood Market after the unverified documents appeared on the Internet, but it was not yet clear that this was a coronavirus to anyone but a handful of people in China. China immediately reported these to the WHO but it was not clear what it was. At that stage it could still have been mere pneumonia cases.
Only on 11 January did a Shanghai lab publish the genome of the new virus, when it was clear beyond doubt that it was a coronavirus. Remember that was the date the first death happened from coronavirus, 11 January.
The first case in the US was on 21 January.
On January 30th the WHO declared a health emergency. One day later Trump stopped flights from China.
With the exception of Italy this was perhaps the earliest response of any western government outside China.
Germany stopped flights from China on March 16th. That is one month and half later than Trump.
So whilst, yes, in hindsight the Chinese acted swiftly and gave the West a window of opportunity, this was squandered and ideally Trump should have reacted earlier, but even the WHO did not react until 30th January and no other western nation acted much earlier than the US.
You should update your data. Germany started cancelling flights on January 29, Australia on Feb 1, France Feb 4, etc... Trump was not late for the ban, but not particularly early either. Most countries implemented travel restrictions at latest the first week of February.
https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/travel-restrictions-china-due-covid-19
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2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:So what happened between January 21 and 31 that indicates the travel restrictions weren't soon enough or enough at all? We certainly can't go by what your pal Joe Biden said. Here is what he said the day after Trump instituted the travel restrictions:
"We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency."
So what? ????
Did Biden ever mention the China travel ban, contrary to what Trump's propaganda is clsiming?
When someone evokes a record, does it usually concern what the person in question just did?
"not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering"
So he said it the day after the travel ban. Did he accuse Trump of being racist only at this particular occasion, or is it a recurrent accusation?
Trump lies by claiming the Dems were against the China travel ban. Actually, there is no quote of Dems being against the China travel ban. It's all about Trump trying to rewrite history, in order to exonerate himself. Pathetic....
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And the moron goes on....
"Trump says lupus patients are less likely to get Covid-19 due to hydroxychloroquine use despite lack of evidence"
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2 hours ago, rabas said:Do you have evidence the masks were bought directly from the 3M company (i.e., an official order) or the Germans bought them from one of 3M's Chinese subsidiary suppliers. Makes a big difference. Chinese are famous for back door business.
It may be possible, as anything is can happen with Chinese and Thai.
However, my comment was more general. 3 M has invested a lot in developing healthcare business abroad, incl. in Europe. It will not be good for business if this company is seen as an unreliable supplier, because it is submitted to a foreign government's power.
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Trump says WHO is China-centric, 'really blew it' on coronavirus
in World News
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Same as Trump: try to blame someone else for their failure. Japan refused to impose lockdown and is currently experiencing a surge of epidemic. Just as pathetic as Trump.