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  1. 54 minutes ago, atyclb said:

    just trying to think objectively about chinas behaviour and the who.

     

    for some reason (and its late and i'm too tired to research it at the moment) a high level governam person in japan said who should be renamed to cho.  china health organization 

     

    Rename WHO as Chinese Health Organization: Japan slams UN body for ‘giving into China’s spin’

    Japan's Deputy PM Taro Aso slams WHO head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus for his 'inadequate evaluation to address the coronavirus outbreak'.

    https://theprint.in/world/rename-who-as-chinese-health-organization-japan-slams-un-body-for-giving-into-chinas-spin/393961/

     

    Whistleblowers silenced by China could have stopped global coronavirus spread | 60 Minutes Australia

     

     

    Same as Trump: try to blame someone else for their failure. Japan refused to impose lockdown and is currently experiencing a surge of epidemic. Just as pathetic as Trump.

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  2. 5 hours ago, atyclb said:

     

    the act of threatening dr fauci is unacceptable regardless of origin.

     

    as the article you so graciously linked stated  "the source of the threats was not identified." why would i believe or disbelieve trump supporters are behind the threats?  because per the article the source is unknown

    That's the kind of problems which may arise when an issue which should have remained a scientic debate between health professional is used for political propaganda. Fauci contradicted Trump's statements on several occasions, including this one, thus preventing Trump from looking better than he really is.

    Some people may be angry at Fauci for other reasons, but it's unlikely.

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  3. 35 minutes ago, rabas said:

    And yet amazingly, the top six EU countries of equal population to the US have far more cases and vastly more deaths than the US. They were even using Chloroquine before Trump mentioned Chloroquine.

     

    EU-6 = UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland :  51,127 dead.

    US : 12,857 dead

     

    https://ncov2019.live/

     

    Why: EU was listening to you know WHO.

    It doesn't make sense to compare, at one point of time, two cases which are at different stages on the diffusion curve. If you look at the diffusion curve's profiles, it doesn't look better for the US. It will just reach these numbers later.

    As for the evoked causality, it doesn't make sense as the epicentre in Europe, Italy, implemented a CHINA travel ban before the US. It also implemented a full ban while the US only initially implemented restrictions.

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  4. 56 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

    Wow, ad hominem. Apparently I struck a nerve. I'm guessing by now you've read about Cuomo preventing medical advancements to treat COVID-19 with Hydroxychloroquine and obviously understand the optics of it- especially given the plethora, hundreds of millions, of FREE doses being donated. And that doesn't count actual SALES.

    The usual Trumper's fake news. Cuomo just follows FDA's guidelines.

     

    "In a March 23 executive order, Mr. Cuomo barred pharmacists from filling prescriptions for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, its next-generation derivative, except for FDA-approved uses, such as for treating malaria or lupus, or as part of clinical trials for COVID-19.

    The next day, the Democratic governor announced that the Trump administration and FDA had accelerated deliveries of the drug to New York for experimental therapies aimed at treating the novel coronavirus, adding that “hospitals will start using that drug today.”

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/5/rudy-giuliani-urges-andrew-cuomo-lift-hydroxychlor/

     

    Had Trump not opened his big gob, Cuomo and others would likely not need to issue warnings in order to avoid uncontrolled use and stockpiling.

     

    And now you try to convince us that your posts are not motivated by the will to support Trump in any case, as your previous posting record shows beyond any reasonable doubt. Lol.

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  5. 13 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

    It wasn't a third party. It was the German broker.

     

    "Contrary to what the Berlin Senator Andreas Geisel claims, the US government has not intercepted and redirected any masks intended for the German capital to its own country. As a spokesman for the Berlin police told the "Tagesspiegel", there could be no question of "confiscating". The police had ordered the masks from a German middleman, who apparently then diverted the goods to the United States. Overall, it was about a delivery of 200,000 masks that belonged to a package of 400,000 FFP-2 mouthguards, according to the newspaper from the production of the US company 3M. The delivery was "detained and rerouted in Thailand," the police said. The contractual partner, i.e. the German dealer, provides for replacement."

     

    https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Haben-USA-Masken-doch-nicht-abgefangen-article21693615.html

    My two cents. This article is based on another article in Tagespielgel, so it would be better to refer to the original article (it's the Tagespiegel which interviewed the Berlin police). There are slight divergences between the two articles.

  6. 1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

    Translation of first paragraph:

     

    "On Friday the outrage was great in Berlin: Interior Senator Geisel accused the United States of having intercepted certain masks for the German capital in the Far East and redirected them to their own country. But now it turns out that that's not true at all."

    As far as I understand (paragraph. 2) the police has changed its wording from "confiscated" to "diverted".

    In paragraph 3 the article states that it hasn't been diverted at the request of Washington's government without explaining why it states so. Then discuss several options. It seems the Berlin police doesn't know what happened and is still investigating.

    Actually, the article relates what was written in another newspaper, which is not more precise.

    https://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/200-000-atemschutzmasken-doch-nicht-konfisziert-lieferung-fuer-berliner-polizei-wurde-in-thailand-zu-besserem-preis-aufgekauft/25715448.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

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  7. 1 hour ago, Logosone said:

    Well, that's exactly what happened, it evolved, possibly in cats or ferrets until it could be transmitted to humans. And it was.

     

    And yes, it is very, very, very bad news.

     

    But good news, mosquitos are not carriers.

     

    However, cats are a real danger.

     

     

    On top of it, it may well be transmitted to rats and mice... OMG

  8. 51 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

     

     

    You know what? You're right. The chances of Biden being lucid enough to even realize he was making his comments the day after Trump announced travel restrictions from China are slim to none. In fact, the chances of Biden being lucid enough to even know he was doing anything but making a generic, ad hominem attack on Trump are also slim to none.

     

    My bad. Carry on.

    Deflection....

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  9. 2 hours ago, Logosone said:

     On 31 December Wuhan CDC admitted that there was a cluster of unknown pneumonia cases related to Huanan Seafood Market after the unverified documents appeared on the Internet, but it was not yet clear that this was a coronavirus to anyone but a handful of people in China. China immediately reported these to the WHO but it was not clear what it was. At that stage it could still have been mere pneumonia cases.

     

    Only on 11 January did a Shanghai lab publish the genome of the new virus, when it was clear beyond doubt that it was a coronavirus. Remember that was the date the first death happened from coronavirus, 11 January.

     

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered

     

    The first case in the US was on 21 January.

     

    On January 30th the WHO declared a health emergency. One day later Trump stopped flights from China.

     

    With the exception of Italy this was perhaps the earliest response of any western government outside China.

     

    Germany stopped flights from China on March 16th. That is one month and half later than Trump.

     

    So whilst, yes, in hindsight the Chinese acted swiftly and gave the West a window of opportunity, this was squandered and ideally Trump should have reacted earlier, but even the WHO did not react until 30th January and no other western nation acted much earlier than the US.

     

     

     

     

    You should update your data. Germany started cancelling flights on January 29, Australia on Feb 1, France Feb 4, etc... Trump was not late for the ban, but not particularly early either. Most countries implemented travel restrictions at latest the first week of  February.

    https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/travel-restrictions-china-due-covid-19

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