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6 hours ago, JeffyInBkk said:

All I can say is that WHO is the only source of fake news and misinformation from day one literally on everything. Please help share this:  https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-call-for-the-resignation-of-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-who-director-general 

Fake news title. It's a private petition. The United nations are not calling for his resignation.

5 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

OK... I"m going to do a search for posts by you in which you criticize Barack Obama for sticking his nose in the *climate change* debate. How do you think I'll make out? Wait... I have ESP..... "that's different", right? LOL

Which debate? There is a consensus among scientists about it, except for a very marginal fringe.

Did his statements raise the risk of uncontrolled use of a drug and/or its shortage?

5 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Obviously both countries took additional steps (or failed to) that resulted in their respective infection and death rates. No luck involved. It's not dissimilar from the US. Some states (almost all blue) have been ravaged by the virus. Some have not. Obviously, in some instances, states with very low populations have very low infections rates. Even that is not luck. It is science. You like science, yes?

Which additional steps did the US take? None. So it was luck. Luck does not mean it cannot be explained. Luck that less infected people came from China by plane, luck that these people found themselves in a more isolated context, etc.. 

The US did not experience an outburst later because of something distinctive it did, so it was luck.

Coming back to the original statement: the US was lucky to experience an epidemic later than other European countries, but Trump did not use this extra time to prepare its country.  Instead he went on downplaying it and talking B.S. until late.

45 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why do you think there needs to be consensus among countries in order to start a new drug trial? Imagine how slowly advancements would occur if the world did so.

 

As to political leaders not meddling in scientific health issues- complete nonsense. A president has to "meddle" in a plethora of issues. Why do you think health care is some sort of holy grail which the president must avoid?

You did get my point. What I wrote is that, in any country, there is no consensus on chloroquine for covid-19. Some think it works, some state there is no real proof of it. And it's not according to any political stance. That's why they conduct trials to find out.

Yes, a president must not meddle in scientific debates and controversies, in particular about medicine. That's not his job.

10 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Oh please let's not kid around, the MSM relays the assessment of most LIBERAL "experts".

Which experts are 'liberal' and which are not? Tell us!

Get out of the US microcosm! In other countries, this issue is not politicized by people such as Trump, and there is exactly the same debate as is exposed in the US MSM.

Check the British, French or German media, whatever their political orientation. No right-wing politicians or right-wing supporters are in propaganda mode for using chloroquine.

2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes of course, the president can be just as well-informed as the most authoritative sources in the world. That's not even debatable. The only question is, why are you so invested in it not working? That seems quite odd.

I am not at all invested in it not working. If it is ultimately proven that it works, that's fine for me (and most of all for people who could be saved). But tell me, for what other reason than supporting Trump are you writing so many posts on a topic on which there is absolutely no consensus, in any country.

My point is that political leaders should not meddle in scientific health issues and should leave it to health professionals. That's what other leaders in other countries do.

My point is not that Trump should be against choloronavirus. My point is that he should shut up.

1 hour ago, Bruno Gerussi said:

Sticking to the OP: Trump isn't wrong in his assessment of the WHO. Disclaimer: I am not American or a Trump supporter. Just calling things as I see them. The WHO has done a grave disservice to citizens around the world by withholding information/parroting CCP propaganda. And before the mob attacks me, I implore everyone to research "Dr. Tederos" the Marxist-Leninist strongman of Ethiopia, now head of the WHO and his ties to the CCP. Stay home and stay safe everyone. The truth will prevail, as always. The question is at what human cost? 

Which information did they withold, exactly?

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Interesting they brought up the Obama pandemic response team. I'd like to see the success record of this pandemic response team. I know there is an element of people who simply think because there was a pandemic response team, it would have done some good. I reject that assertion. And I'll bet the list of successes of the Obama pandemic response team looks something like this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, that's about it.

Lol. It was created in 2016. There had been no pandemic in the US between 2016 and 2018.

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

The US was "lucky"? No. That's nonsense and you know it.

Why? 

I anticipate your answer: the coronavirus epicenter in Europe, Italy, implemented a China travel ban before the US. Moreover, this ban was a full ban while Trump only implemented some restrictions. So China travel bans do not explain why the spread started later in the US. 

14 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

But you did call trumps handling of COVID a "mishandling" thereby blaming Trump. 

 

If your logic holds, do you blame PM Conte? PM Sanchez? PM Jonson? 

 

Are all the heads of state world wide who are stacking bodies left right and center because of this virus "Mishandling" their response? 

Conte, Sanchez and others did not downplay the epidemic, they did not blame MMS and so-called experts for creating panic, etc... Johnson is to blame for downplaying the epidemic and delay implementing social distanciation, and unfortunately pays himself the price for it.

The US was lucky to be affected later than European countries,  and did not use the extra available time to act. On the contrary, he went on downplaying the crisis and talking B.S. until the last moment.

17 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

You don't have to like Trump.

 

The WHO killed plenty of people worldwide by holding to Chinese party declarations instead of what was happening.

 

If the WHO had declared a global pandemic 3-weeks earlier when they already knew what was happening inside China, it may have saved 95% of covid-19 fatalities.

 

But go ahead, blame Trump instead of focusing on the real issue.

Nonsense. The WHO made several international warnings, starting with a public health emergency of international concern on Jan. 30.

19 minutes ago, rabas said:

But isn't Pandemic, (wide spreading) what individual countries need to worry about? Isn't that why we have a declaration? Isn't that WHO's job, to signal countries when to prepare? If not, then why do we need the WHO? Why are they given the responsibility?

 

The answer is that China delayed each step along the way as long as possible until events forced them to open up, and WHO followed like a puppy dog. They covered up human to human transmission as long as they could. Did you know that Thailand had already sequenced the full genome before China provided it to the world? Thailand simply confirmed within hours "Yep, that's it".  China had no choice but to release it after Thailand had sequenced it.

The WHO did not wait the declaration of pandemic to alert other countries and make recommendations. I.e. below on Feb. 10. Wasn't it a clear warning?

"COVID-19. The coronavirus has a new name but should still be treated as public enemy number one. That's the message from the World Health Organisation (WHO), in its gravest warning yet about the deadly outbreak.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned governments not to underestimate the political and social risks of the virus, which has already killed more than 1,000 people, but added that countries can realistically thwart the threat if enough resources are allocated.

“Viruses can have more powerful consequences than any terrorist action,” Ghebreyesus said during a daily briefing on Tuesday.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/10/coronavirus-outbreak-uk-declares-virus-serious-and-imminent-threat-to-public-health

8 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

The 'experts' that did not declare a Pandemic until the middle of March?  Ok, release suction now and step away from the w.ho.  ????

Have you read the definition of 'pandemic? Declaring a pandemic is not an assessment of dangerousness, it's an acknowledgement that a disease has spread in several countries and affects a significant number of people. One doesn't declare a pandemic in anticipation, before it occurs.

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Correct. The WHO has handled this very poorly indeed. They handed out a lot of very poor advice which has undoubtedly made the situation worse.

 

However, many people have an irrational hate of Donald Trump so they will disagree. If Trump said water was wet they'd disagree. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts.

The WHO has been a bit slow to react as it relies on available information. Here are it's recommendation as of Feb. 28 after analysing the evolution of the epidemic in CHINA

For countries with imported cases and/or outbreaks of COVID-19

1. Immediately activate the highest level of national Response Management protocols to ensure the all-of-government and all-of-society approach needed to contain COVID-19 with non-pharmaceutical public health measures;

2. Prioritize active, exhaustive case finding and immediate testing and isolation, painstaking contact tracing and rigorous quarantine of close contacts;

3. Fully educate the general public on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in preventing its spread;

4. Immediately expand surveillance to detect COVID-19 transmission chains, by testing all patients with atypical pneumonias, conducting screening in some patients with upper respiratory illnesses and/or recent COVID-19 exposure, and adding testing for the COVID-19 virus to existing surveillance systems (e.g. systems for influenza-like-illness and SARI); and

5. Conduct multi-sector scenario planning and simulations for the deployment of even more stringent measures to interrupt transmission chains as needed (e.g. the suspension of large-scale gatherings and the closure of schools and workplaces).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiEgOam4djoAhWvy4UKHaaXCgMQFjAAegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw1gO_RTfaIWQuEkjdvq_O7i

2 hours ago, candide said:

It's a lie. The Dems did not call Trump a racist for closing air travel from CHINA. There isn't any quote mentioning the CHINA travel ban.

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxVFB-nnEJY

 

 

As often with Trumpers, your link does not support your initial claim. The linked video dates from March 12 and does not address the CHINA travel ban decision made on Jan. 31. It is a general critic of Trump's policy and mentions he does not believe the Europe travel ban will stop the virus spread. Unfortunately, he has been proven right.

So there's no quote of Biden, Pelosi ect.... criticizing the CHINA travel ban. It's just one of Trumps lies.