johnnybangkok

Oh god, what a surprise. I take it you're the only one here who really knows the truth? The only one that can 'think outside of the (insert colour) box? The one that understands the 'deep state', the illuminati or whatever nonsense noun you are using this week. Here's a heads-up; you aren't.

I'm not the one having to come onto an online forum and basically tell everyone you don't get on with people. And judging from the vast majority of your posts, I can easily see why.

Ever think it might be you?

Your post asserts 'The FBI chooses to raid his house at 615am. A time when he is probably asleep and will be startled by the sudden noise and commotion. Why? Obviously to provoke a response that will let them play Robocop.' This is wildly disingenuous. Why would the FBI want to basically execute a US citizen (which is what you are trying to infer here) with all the subsequent publicity and investigations that they will face? This dangerous nonsense that the FBI are now some sort of death squad for the Dems is the kind of BS that is causing these situations in the first place; a self-confessed Maga zealot threatens the sitting POTUS (several times) and when confronted by the FBI with a legitimate warrant, he is so threatened by the FBI, he thinks it's a good idea to brandish a weapon rather than surrender and have his day in court. These are extreme consequences for his extreme actions but I don't necessarily blame him. At a recent rally, Trump said “The FBI and the justice department have become vicious monsters, controlled by radical-left scoundrels, lawyers and the media, who tell them what to do.” This massively inflammatory rhetoric is why you are seeing situations like this in the first place and I'll wager it won't be the last. But I doubt if any of you guys will admit Trump is responsible for fanning any of these flames. For some bizarre reason he is blameless in all of this. Funny that eh?

And here we have the REAL reason Trump is so popular.

Deflection at it's finest. At least you're consistent.

What a silly thing to say. Lying is illegal whenever it is used to commit or hide a crime. So this includes lying to get welfare, to get a loan, to commit fraud or many material things including your taxes. You can't lie under oath, you can't lie to the police or lie about a crime you witnessed and last but not least, you can't lie when you are involved in a federal investigation.

John Luman Smith (born June 5, 1969) is an American attorney who has served in the United States Department of Justiceas an assistant U.S. attorney, acting U.S. attorney, and head of the department's Public Integrity Section. He was also the chief prosecutor at the Kosovo Specialist Chambers, an international tribunal at The Hague tasked with investigating and prosecuting war crimes in the Kosovo War. So in your opinion, yet another professional with impeccable credentials has all of a sudden decided to risk his reputation, his career and his future on a pack of lies that can be easily found out in a court of law? If he was just making it all up do you really think that a court case with this amount of coverage would be the time to gamble it all? That now is the time to throw the dice on his career and yo say “hey, what the hell!”? So many true patriots have sacrificed their careers to tell you just how bad Trump is but none of them have any credibility as far as Trumpers are concerned because the word of Trump is all that matters. Where is your objectivity? Where is your logical thinking? Where is YOUR integrity?

I think both Walker 88 and Tug have summed all of this up much better than I ever could. It is quite astounding that people who dare to call themselves patriots have not appreciated the true patriots in America who have sacrificed their own careers in trying to either block this man or at least call him out. Time and time again senior professionals from the military, economic world, intelligence community and (some) from the political arena (even R) have gone out of their way to tell you just how dangerous this man is. None are surprised he still denies he lost the last election; none are surprised he tried an insurrection; none are surprised he bribed a porn star, defrauded his own charity and let’s state secrets out in casual chat. I hope he is jailed. For a long time. So long that people might be cured of whatever the hell it was that made them think he was the solution to Americas problems.

And your point is? People also murder people all the time so are we just supposed to ignore the next murder because, you know, it happens all the time? There's so many inconvenient truths about Trump that Trumpers just have to resort to 'well it happens all the time' whataboutisms because the mental gymnastics required to continually defend this man must be truly exhausting. Here's another, less exhausting solution; just admit the man is not fit for POTUS (never has been, never will be) and things will be a lot easier in your life.

From Forbes magazine - 'It is simply a fact that since World War II, Democratic presidents have seen 24.4 million more jobs created on their watch—an average of 78.6% more jobs created per year of Democratic administrations—than have Republican presidents. Ditto real GDP growth, 44% higher under Democratic presidents. On the flip side, unemployment has been 18% higher under GOP presidents.' And you mentioned it before; Nine of the last 10 recessions have been under Republicans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/?sh=a2b90d267868

All in all, Trump added over $8 Trillion to the national debt during his 4 years in office but how do you explain the $3 Trillion added to the national debt BEFORE Covid? https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump I'll give you a clue: tax cuts for the rich and corporations.

You are taking this far too personally. It is an online debate so no need for name calling or accusing people of lying. I am not lying. Banks regularly loan to people wihout the means to pay back as has been documented numerous times with the sub-prime fiasco being the largest and most damaging. If you cannot see that then I hope the closeted world you live in forever remains the same, but back on planet earth, people with little means to pay back are constantly targeted by lenders into taking on debt they can ill afford. Seldom is it about the lender 'misjudging' the loanee; mostly it's about greed. And the only reason I am pointing this out is that at no stage throughout this thread have you held the lenders to fault; your first admission being now with 'Sometimes the borrower is at fault and sometimes the lender or both'. Congratulations for stating the obvious but MY point is if the borrower obviously can't afford the re-payments then it is the lenders duty to not offer it in the first place. You talk about empathy but you have been blaming the borrowers all the time (see all your other posts) which is the epitome of lacking empathy and is victim blaming at it's finest. P.S. No need to reply. I get your one sided point of view but I'm pleased you are at least now holding the lenders to some type of accountability.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. If it was simply just about him questioning the election results then it wouldn't be as serious as it is. However, he and his cohorts went waaaaaay beyond just 'questioning', hence the indictment.

What absolute nonsense. Of course it's viewable and checked. Please educate yourself before posting. https://act.represent.us/sign/how-votes-are-counted

Here’s hoping one of the numerous legal challenges he now faces is his undoing. The man defrauded his own charity for gods sake. How anyone thinks he is fit for any office never mind the highest office is beyond me.

And the award for the most irrelevant post goes to …….

And what part of there is no such thing as “no doubt” don’t you understand? https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence Perhaps you can explain to these 190 people who died because there was “no doubt” but later exonerated. Oh, you can’t because they’re dead.

DNA evidence has exonerated so many people when there was “no doubt that they are guilty” it’s not funny. But the rest of your point is just the financial side, correct? As has been pointed out to you before, the expense occurred through numerous appeals and delays with death sentence convictions are vastly higher than those with life sentences, so if that’s all that bothers you and we can’t risk killing an innocent person then a life sentence without parole is the only reasonable solution. Fortunately the vast majority of civilized countries agree with me and do exactly that.

I think you’re missing the point. Your original comment was about banning all crowds from all sporting events not some silly anecdotal scenario about rowing. Try and stay on track (pun intended).

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water - why should the vast majority of sensible, respectful fans suffer for the sins of the few? What a ridiculous suggestion.

God not this old chestnut again! Apart from the fact innocent people have been executed in the past, the death sentence has been proven to NOT deter or even reduce crime. All it ends up being is revenge and for a society to say I will be murdering someone because I want revenge, makes that society as bad as the criminal.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. If you want to head to a sporting event and hurl racial abuse at players then expect to be ejected or even arrested. Im getting bored of people trying to justify obviously unreasonable behavior with “but, but, my freedom of speech!”

What absolute nonsense. So by your reasoning I could just walk into a bank and ask for a $1 million dollars on a “promise” to pay it back! Of course not. The bank will require assurances in the form of assets or regular, well paid work. If people are being loaned money without the means to pay back then it’s exactly the banks fault (much the same way it would be your fault if you loaned money to a deadbeat friend or your girlfriends “family”). As I said before, poor people will ALWAYS take money if it’s offered; it’s down to the lenders to have a duty of care and make sure they are able to repay it.

And what of the responsibility of the lenders? There's so many on this thread with a holier than thou attitude, bemoaning the lazy Thai's who would rather borrow than work but there's very few pointing the fingers at irresponsible lenders who are handing over large amounts of money to obviously unsuitable candidates. Banks make their money by loaning and interest payments but as the sub-prime crisis showed us, they give not one jot to how they keep the profits rolling as long as the share-holders are happy and the gravy train keeps rolling. And when it all goes to $hit? Well that's not a problem as the government will bail them out as they are just too big to fail. People with no money will ALWAYS take easy money IF it is offered to them. It is the responsibility of the banks to qualify their ability to repay this money, which is obviously not happening here and which is leading to yet another financial meltdown.