rockingrobin

If the article is correct , why the delay in dna results from mask and clothing

Curious, 

'On Sunday she told the rally she would seek to replace the EU by "another Europe," which she called "the Europe of the people," based on a loose cooperative of nations.'

On returning from  a visit to Putin , she wants to lift russian sanctions

10 hours ago, evadgib said:

Of course there will. 1981/Carson will be null and void the moment they move their own goalposts.

Apologies, I dont follow.

Maybe you can explain  how making an agreement to uprate pensions in  the EU will null/void the Carson judgement . The ruling addressed  reciprocal agreements and concluded that it is for the UK to decide which countries it enters into agreements with, but it is illogical to say that these should operate worldwide  irrespective of the UKs wishes.

57 minutes ago, evadgib said:

It won't be one it'll be 27, and with sovereignty about to be returned to British Courts it is entirely right that the Carson ruling be challenged or a new one launched if they're stupid enough to present good reason.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/783935/Repeal-Bill-axe-EU-laws-next-week-week-Article-50

The number of agreements is irrelevant, there will be no material change as to when it arrived at the UK courts last  time.

The Carson case was judged on UK law 

16 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

UKIP dont have any MPs

14 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

Haha.  That's true.

 

Their tactics are still very similar though.

Prior to D Carswell resignation , UKIP won 1 seat and a general election

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Blowing a hole in their 'no new agreements since 1981' & leaving them wide open to renewed legal challenge which will only fail if HMG continue to deceive Sun readers into thinking we are;

 

a) Living the life o' Reilly (stock photos showing 'Mr & Mrs Golden wedding' in idyllic surroundings every time our plight is mentioned in the media) &

 

b  ) Somehow plundering 'their' (!) taxes while having no entitlement or contribution records in our own right 

 

Joe Public can be pretty dense at times. It's in our interests to ensure HMG no longer exploit that stupidity at our expense...

 

 

If the UK comes to an agreement to maintain the uprating of pensions in the EU , I do not see how this helps a legal challenge.It would be an extension of current policy and the fact that the last agreement was made in 1981 is moot.

37 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

And the hypocrisy of the SNP saying that they want to be independent by being ruled by the EU is something else!! :)

 

And you want to talk about isolation, how about if Scotland wasn't part of the UK and had to wait 10 years to be an EU member?  Who and how do you trade for those 10 years?  You don't even have and currency.  About 80% of your exports is to the rest of the UK.

 

Hilarious that you complain about UKIP, but how are the SNP any different??

UKIP dont have any MPs

1 hour ago, watso63 said:

Bunch of cry baby anti-democratic losers.

 

"With such a close vote, I don't see how anyone can call this the will of the people," she told Reuters. "We have so much to lose: environmentally, politically and financially.

 

As if the lunatic europhiles would have given a damn about British parliamentary and judicial sovereignty if they'd have won.??????

52 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

 

In a 2012 speech on the European Union (EU), Mr David Davis (now Brexit Secretary) said: “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”.

I think M.Gove summed it up in 2000 when he opposed the Good Friday Agreement

' THIS PAMPHLET OPENED WITH the contention that the surest guarantee of the health of a democracy is opposition.

There is merit in opposition for its own sake. No case is so virtuous it cannot benefit from testing. There is nothing wrong, and much to be said, for issuing a simple warning against a clearly disastrous course. On one level it is enough simply to counsel against a clearly disastrous course. The best alternative to joining the Gadarene swine is simply to say no. But there is also an obligation on those providing that opposition to offer a positive alternative. '

1 hour ago, Oxx said:

 

But the government doesn't care about the cost.  If it did it would close the loophole whereby Latvians and Estonians (for example) can fly into the UK for one day, get an EHIC card, and then get free (or heavily subsidised) medical treatment back in their home countries, the UK taxpayer picking up the bill.

For an UK EHIC, is not a requirement to be ordinarily resident and hold a NIC number.

1 hour ago, Oxx said:

 

Last time I checked Spain was not a non-EU country.

Yeh my error.

2 minutes ago, rak sa_ngop said:

If 100,000 pensioners were to return to the UK from non EU countries it could cost the NHS 700 million pounds in extra health costs.

This figure is based on something I read a few years ago i.e. the average cost of NHS health provisions for retirees is about 7,000 GBP a year, if I remembered correctly.

The govt should be paying retirees extra pension money to retire overseas and cover their own health costs!!!!!

Instead they are doing the opposite.

British expat pensioners in Spain, healthcare costs are covered by the UK via S1 certificate

22 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Pipedown, you bunch of jobsworth busybodies! Shrewd move by the Brits. All about getting down to business. Sooner they get back to the Britain of old, drop the PC bs and start cracking heads, the better.

You are aware the chair of the committee is Crispin Blunt who backed Brexit 

6 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

On the basis of the Reuters interview that I linked, and another interview where she was suggesting that most of her co-claimants had dropped out of the claim because of personal abuse, when the truth was that it was a simple legal procedure to combine the claims.

So without any  evidence  contrary to the abuse , and in light of the courts comments and action with regards the abuse. The police advice and subsequent arrests , you conclude G.Miller is prone to exaggeration .

One of the claimants did not attend the SC ruling due to the level of abuse

I think it is you yourself exaggerating    

10 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

I am saying that she is prone to exaggeration (as stated in my post to which you replied, which you must have missed).

On what basis are you making this  ' prone to exaggeration ' statement ?

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You know she may have a higher IQ who knows. I always believe IQ is over rated. Once again you are wrong I despise her arrogance and the fact that she has the audacity, to tell people they do not know what they voted for. I know those who voted for remain what they voted for, as those who voted leave. Saying they are stupid and uneducated is disgraceful and I have not come anyone with her utter contempt for people, since reading your posts here.

You despise her for apparently saying people did not know what they was voting for, but offer nothing to counter this

Was it the NHS money

Point style immigration

EU citizens indefinite leave

Cannot have been to reclaim sovereignty , after  fighting to the bitter end to deprive parliament

10 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Difficult to say Rudy. She's prone to exaggeration. When her Reuters interviewer asked to be shown an example of the vile abuse:

 

"She showed Reuters one email from someone who claimed they would have invested money with SCM, which has about 100 million pounds in its portfolios, but had been deterred because of her legal action.

"You are obviously a devious lady," the email read."

 

Of course, Gina had deleted the really nasty ones, like one does when one is about to make a complaint to the police about them.

Are you saying the subsequent arrests that took place is fake

3 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Sorry but that makes no sense. Atheism cannot be termed a religion in any logical discussion. It is an argument pushed out by the religious trying to compare their main threat to themselves. It does not hold water and is clutching at straws. Atheists simply do not believe and have no need to gather together to praise that disbelief or to pray and worship their disbelief, it makes zero sense to associate atheism with a religion. Agnostics have no idea and stick by the principle that you cannot prove the existence of God or not and until you can they remain indifferent.

How does atheism compare to Theravada Buddhism

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

My point was that there are no handouts for falangs in Thailand, either support yourself or go home.

The comparison is not analogous

6 minutes ago, giddyup said:

The point I was making was that the world is never short of conflicts, famine etc, when does it all end? A lot of these countries are mismanaged or ruled by warlords and despots, I say get your own house in order instead of fleeing to a country that has already sorted itself out. Isn't it the cuckoo that takes over another species nest rather than build one of it's own?

Punish the innocent for others misdemeanors. 

Closer to home are you saying the Royhinga in Myanmar are responsible for their own persecution 

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I wonder if those posters who claimed that nobody is out to ensure the UK will be punished or treated harshly will apologize or continue to live in La La land.

 

Coming from the idiot himself.

 

“The UK will need to prepare itself to be treated as a third country,” he said.

Mr Juncker told the newspaper that none of the other 27 remaining countries would ever consider leaving the EU when they see how harshly Britain will be treated in negotiations.

 

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/like-or-lump-the-eu-divorce-bill-juncker-tells-may-dc6vhlww8

 

I also keep hearing this word divorce bill. We were not in a marriage it was a friendship.  I hope TM tells him to go and do one.

Is this not acceptance of the UK gov. position Brexit means Brexit

1 hour ago, i claudius said:

But then 98.5 of us get nothing from the Thai Govt . a heck of a lot of us are married to Thai women and have kids , on the whole we are not allowed to work here so have to bring our own money to live on , and very few of us live in "falang" only enclaves ,centered around our place of worship and none of us cover ourselves head to toe in black bags and have our own courts ,now do we Naam , sorry "must do better"

You are conflating migration with asylum.

To use your example, if Thailand was to refuse its hospitality and the migrant was to return home they would not be in fear of persecution, loss of liberty or life.

In 1938 the world declined to accept Germanys offer for their Jews

In 1945 Britain agreed to take 1000 Jewish children , it could not find 1000 still alive

1 hour ago, Neurath said:

I think this ruling simply says that there is no religious defense against being removed from a position in the workplace due to one's headgear/dress. So you can justifiably be asked to remove the headgear and if you don't you can be sacked. Of course there are medical defenses against being so removed from the workplace. Example: Bandages are holding in my brain or fixing on my face transplant.

 

Under this ruling any business can allow employees to wear whatever headgear or religious symbols they like.

 

Personally I couldn't give a toss what sort of headgear someone wears. Don't give a stuff about what god they worship or religion they follow for that matter. Certainly couldn't give a flying F as to whether a community 'integrates' or not. We're The Borg after all. But I do give a stuff that every community follows and respects the laws of the country and, should they want the laws changed, use the democratic mechanisms at hand to effect that change.

 

The only piece of headgear that should steadfastly and incontrovertibly banned - for any reason other than documented medical - is the male toupee. It's an abomination and standing rebuke to all conceivable civilized norms.

The ruling provides little guidance to employees and the reliance of political and religious neutrality.

A muslim who refused to shave his beard on religious grounds could be lawfully dismissed, whilst being unlawful for any other employee who simply refused to remove their beard 

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Yesterday I linked to an article that confirmed your figure or thereabouts - makes the proceeding picture look very confusing.

 

But the whole picture has been turned on its head now. How many ardent EU supporters voted No last time, but are now thinking of switching sides? Also, there are close to 600k people resident in Scotland who were born outside the UK. 57% of those voted to remain in the UK in 2014 - I imagine a significant number of those will swing away from Brexit in the event of an other referendum.

I suspect that is one of the reasons the UK gov would want to hold the referendum after Brexit, disallowing EU citizens in Scotland participating

30 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

Let's be quite clear, a debt is a debt.  It can't be used as a bargaining tool to obtain further assets or favour, or things that Scotland is not entitled to.

 

The BoE- well it may have some assets that UK retains, just as Scotland retains what is on Scottish soil, but essentially it is nothing more than a bank and regulator.  It belongs to the UK.  No other country can use it. 

 

Scotland, as an independent country, would need to establish its own central bank, and issue its own currency.  To do anything other makes a mockery of the whole idea of independence, and is any case simply not doable.

As for currency the EU was unable to prevent Montenegro using the euro