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3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Do you deny that there was a massive second wave of Covid after the claims there would be no second wave, one that saw deaths peaking at over 4000 a day?

Wait and see what happens next !

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I assume you now concede your statement:

 

"I think there is plenty of evidence where healthy people have died within hours of getting the vaccine, never mind 28 days."  https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1216849-‘vaccine-hesitancy’-bites-in-thailand-–-but-one-province-has-the-antidote/page/2/#elControls_16478422_menu

 

is indefensible conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

You are nitpicking over my wording while ignoring your blatantly false statements.

 

Vaccines have satisfied all Phase 3 objectives required for emergency use authorization.  This occurred six months ago.  I shortened this to passed Phase 3.  They have passed the Phase 3 requirements that matter.

 

Vaccines have emergency use authorization for the general adult population, and lower age groups.  That's approval enough.  Show me where "full approval" is a legal term limited only to vaccines licensed for use.

 

Regarding VAERS; no, I never posted that people reporting deaths to VAERS were lying.  You are lying in claiming that I did.  This is made obvious by your failure to quote anything I've posted that supports your lie.  You should hang your head in shame for such a blatant and obvious lie.

 

Regarding your imaginative Pfizer claim; it is common for individuals and organizations to update websites while leaving dated webpages online.  You didn't provide a link to the webpage in question, but if I remember correctly it didn't have a date associated.  The Pfizer webpage I linked to stating they had concluded Phase 3 is dated November 18, 2020.https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

 

Stop nitpicking over my choice of words and defend or retract your outrageous false statements.

 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-first-seek-full-approval-104500445.html

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Obviously there is no long term data.  There are Phase 1, 2, and 3 studies showing vaccines to be very effective and extremely safe. 

 

You may be happy to hold off on widespread vaccination for a few more years while millions more die and tens of millions are debilitated for an indefinite period of time, perhaps for life, with "Long Covid".  Rational people are making a different choice.

 

I take it you will offer no defense of your ignorant claim that all countries count Covid deaths the same, your conspiracy theory nonsense about people dying within hours of being vaccinated, and your lie claiming I admitted to unreported deaths.  I expect no better from someone who uses Tucker Carlson as a source.

 

 

What conspiracy theory is that then ? 
I didn't say the government website was lying  .. you did!
I didn't say the Pfiser website was lying  ... you did!
I didn't say a 2 year trial is equal to 6 month ... you did!

I said you were wrong  ... so your answer is, I am wrong 
I suggested someone else posting was a conspiracy theorist ... so you claim I am a conspiracy theorist. Such child like behaviour!  You are embarrassing yourself.

You claiming government and manufactures website are lying is however, definite proof that you are claiming there is a conspiracy ... what does that make you ?

I didn't use Tucker as a source ... I used the information on a government website ... he just happened to be reading it. It would be the same figures regardless who read it. 

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You're just going to continue to pretend you didn't post the ridiculous things you posted about Covid deaths, vaccine safety, and things I never posted but you claim I did, aren't you?

Still waiting for you to direct me to the long term data 

16 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Do you deny that the Phase 3 objectives were met and the vaccine approved for use? 

 

If not, shift your focus to defending the lies and misinformation you've posted.

I haven't posted any misinformation ....If Phase 3 objective were met ...direct me to the long term data.

It has been given emergency use only ...it hasn't been authorised or licensed. 

They are facts !

2 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Something tells me you don't understand what this really means. I have to assume your misinformation sites didn't explain it sufficiently if at all. The Phase 3 clinical trial is over and the vaccine(s) passed. Yes, they will still monitor the participants for a time period, mainly to see how long the vaccine is effective, or if any unknown side effects appear, but phase 3 is over.

 

As for your inability to post links to your misinformation sites, I think we can add a few other sites to the list.

Are you a conspiracy theorist ? .... This is from the Pfizer website  ... are you calling that a misinformation site ? .....  
It's plain to se you don't understand how long 2 years lasts  ... well done for that  ... ????
You have just totally embarrassed yourself, well done for that also ......

The Facts About the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | pfpfizeruscom

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

You posted "it' doesn't matter how many people have been vaccinated  .... the death figures are there for all to see .... and as you said before  ... vast majority of cases are not reported."

 

The moderator's will allow you to identify where I stated death figures were not reported.  You can't do that because I never posted that.  It is a blatant lie.

 

The rest of my post is clear and correct.  I won't waste time re-explaining what I meant.

I think you have trouble understanding clear English ..... I haven't a clue what you are going on about 
It's nothing to do with what you meant ... it's to do with what you said 
You have been proved wrong on every point and now you're trying a bit of deflection ....  

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

Phase 3 clinical trial for two years following their second dose,

you are 100% wrong  .... 

 

2 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Youtube, fox news, etc. You sure are scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for info, aren't you.

 

As for TC, who cares if he made a few dollars in his day.  I would match my integrity with his any day. I'm not accused of distorting the truth with every word that comes out of my mouth.,

So your a CNN man .... wow that's even worse than Fox 

15 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, I did not state the VAERS website is lying.  I explained how Tucker Carlson was ignoring the fact that when over 100 million people are vaccinated over five months it is natural for some to die for reasons unrelated to the vaccinations.  Why can't you understand that?

 

Most engineers retire at some point if they've managed their careers well enough.  I understood the Pfizer website; Phase 3 objectives were met and the vaccine approved.  You're the one who seems to have trouble with that.

it' doesn't matter how many people have been vaccinated  .... the death figures are there for all to see .... and as you said before  ... vast majority of cases are not reported.
The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use

If they are tracking participants for 2 years in Phase 3 ... and the vaccine rollout started December 2020, how can it be finished ?  You seem not to know how long 2 years lasts.

Pfizer and BioNTech will track participants in our Phase 3 clinical trial for two years following their second dose,

The Facts About the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | pfpfizeruscom
 

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

You have not addressed your completely false post about Covid vaccination deaths or the evidence showing the vaccinations are safe.

I have ... but you refuse to believe what your ears have heard ..... next !

Just now, heybruce said:

You asked a question and I answered it.  If you don't care to be informed don't ask questions.

 

Where did I claim government websites are lying?

 

Tucker Carlson was born rich, given every advantage in life, and has done nothing but become a talking head of no substance.  I've managed the testing of a generation of navigation satellites that have benefited the world.  I may not have the  name recognition of Tucker Carlson, but I don't want it.  I'm happy with my accomplishments.

I didn't ask you the question .... 

You say the government VAERS is lying.... 
If you're such an important man in the world of satellites, what are you doing here  ? .... and why did you not understand the Pfiser website?

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Tucker Carlson is a born rich brat who pretends to represent the average man.  Cory Bernardi is a bigot, misogynist, science denier and failed Australian politician.  Sky News is another Rupert Murdoch creation that, like Fox News, focuses on infotainment. 

They have both achieved more than you in life  .... how bad does that make you ?

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Tucker Calson is an entertainer, not a news reporter.  He cites a VAERS report that thousands have died after receiving a Covid vaccination without telling you how many were vaccinated (over 100 million people over a five month period).  That certainly doesn't support your post "I think there is plenty of evidence where healthy people have died within hours of getting the vaccine, never mind 28 days."

 

I addressed the Tucker nonsense here:   https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1216849-‘vaccine-hesitancy’-bites-in-thailand-–-but-one-province-has-the-antidote/page/2/#elControls_16478374_menu

 

You know that because you commented on it.  Of course you ignored the facts I posted from the CDC:

 

"Over 259 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 10, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,434 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. ....... A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."   https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

 

A death rate of 0.0017% of a population that is disproportionate seniors is not worrying, it is reassuring.

Already answered all that .... next!

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

MSM that tells the truth:  Reuters, API, Barrons, The Wall Street Journal (news, not opinions), Fox print news (not Tucker and other pundit clowns), Bloomberg, The Economist, and many others.  None of them are perfect, but when they make a mistake they acknowledge and correct it.

I didn't ask your opinion .... and frankly I don't want it ...
So which government website figures are you claiming are lies ? 
I think Tucker Carlson has achieved more than you ever will in life. ...  If he's a clown ... what does that make you ?

19 minutes ago, thvima said:

hello, do you know if all people living in provinces will have a mobile vaccination truck visit them ? thank you.

It seems plenty of people on Thaivisa would like that. 

17 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Clearly, fox news content is questionable. Even fox news admits it, as referenced above. I wouldn't waste my time looking at any content sourced on fox news. They will twist the truth so it matches whatever brainwashing their propaganda machine has generated that day.

You still didn't say which MSM tells the truth  .... The figures he was quoting were official government figures  .... from a government run website, are you claiming the government is lying ?

19 minutes ago, gargamon said:

You fox news people really don't get it, do you? Fox News recently won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously. But then again, I guess you're not a reasonable viewer.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9

So which MSM is telling the truth ?
and why are you focusing on the reader ... not the content ?

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I think there is plenty of evidence where healthy people have died within hours of getting the vaccine, never mind 28 days.

"Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) has been achieved"

 

"The trial will continue to collect efficacy and safety data in participants for an additional two years. "

 

They met Phase 3 objectives required for approval.  They will continue to collect follow-up data, which is the responsible thing to do.  However the key point is that the Phase 3 objectives have been met and approval for use granted.

 

Do you suggest that governments allow millions more to die of Covid for two more years before using vaccines that have been shown to be safe and effective? 

 

Or will you finally provide evidence to support one of your many false statements, "I think there is plenty of evidence where healthy people have died within hours of getting the vaccine, never mind 28 days."?

Tucker: How many Americans have died after taking COVID vaccines? | Fox News Video

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Maybe not as people from poor socioeconic situations usually have more comorbidities and the majority of prisoners are from poor socioeconomic situations. 

There's more elderly people at risk who are not in prison, so if anything ... there should be a lower % of inmates die.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One would hope so. So hopefully no one in jail has kidney disease or lung disease or diabeties or chronic obesity or any other comorbity that puts you at a higher risk of severe illness or death from covid-19.

Well is that not the same % of people who are not in prison ?

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

How many do you think are in the nick for yaba. You think anphetimines or methamphetimes which are cut with caffine and stuff are good for your immune system?

Obviously not ... but if you're still young ... the immune system works perfectly fine in most cases

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

"Most of the inmates will have a healthy immune system" Really. Why? I guess most don't have underlying health issues either.

If you haven't got a healthy immune system when you fairly young and inside prison ....  I don't think they would survive

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Ok fair enough. So lets say there's an overall infection rate of 25% of all prisoners in Thailand and I don't think this is out of the realm then splitting the difference at a mortality rate of 2% thats going to be more or less 1,500-2000 deaths in custody from covid-19. 

Agreed .. but most of the inmates will have a healthy immune system and I would imagine are under 50 years old  .... the death rate among under 50's is miniscule 

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You trust the Pfizer website, so I assume you trust this:

 

"Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints'   https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

 

Phase 3 for the Pfizer vaccine was completed six months ago.

 

Now perhaps you can explain why you assumed someone who has been vaccinated can't catch Covid from someone who is unvaccinated.  After that we can revisit your ridiculous claim "All countries are using the same criteria for compiling covid deaths. "

 

In other words, you can explain why you have made obviously false statements that anyone with a passing knowledge of the pandemic knows are false, and why anyone should pay any attention to your posts.

"announced that, after conducting the final efficacy analysis in their ongoing Phase 3 study, their mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine 

"
Which part of ongoing do you not understand ? ...... from your link ... so you haven't read it !

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

How do you know there won't be many deaths and more importantly how do you know there haven't already been before their cover up was outed.

Because covid has a 97/99% survival rate ?