Been There

Lambs to the slaughter ........

Just now, VBF said:

For goodness sake!!!!

Read my sentence starting "What we all have to bear in mind...."

 

The scientists know a damn site more than they did a year ago, that's for sure.

The Vaccine has was only rolled out in December .... 3 month ago !
Are you suggesting they are using humans as guinea pigs ? 
no vaccine company would do that ! and no government would accept that ....... and surely nobody would take a vaccine that hasn't been tested  ?

Just now, VBF said:

You have to remember that the manufacturers HAVE to give the worst-case picture for obvious reasons.

Also their published data sometimes lags behind the latest scientific research....eg

 

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-vaccine-moderna-pfizer-transmission-disease

 

and

 

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/sars-cov-2-transmission-newly-infected-individuals-previous-infection

 

From the latter link:

• Evidence from studies specifically designed to assess the impact of previous infection on the risk of transmission is currently lacking. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 does not provide sterilising immunity for all individuals and some who are reinfected might still be able to transmit SARS-CoV-2 infection to susceptible contacts.

But later in the article

 

• Direct evidence of the impact of vaccination on the risk of transmission is only available from one study, a large register-based household transmission study from Scotland. This study suggests that vaccination of a household member reduces the risk of infection in susceptible household members by at least 30%.

• There is evidence that vaccination significantly reduces viral load and symptomatic/asymptomatic infections in vaccinated individuals, which could translate into reduced transmission, although the vaccine efficacy varies by vaccine product and target group. In light of this fact, the total number of infections is expected to decrease significantly as vaccination coverage increases, provided that there is a match between the vaccine strains and the circulating virus strains. This will lead to decreased transmission overall.

 

What we all have to bear in mind is that this is evolving almost on a daily basis, but IMO we have moved from "vaccinations will not impact  transmissibility" last year to the current "vaccinations will probably impact  transmissibility".   My emphasis.

 

Personally, I'm hopeful.

I think the word "probably" says it all ...... they don't know ..... 

2 minutes ago, hioctane said:

The chance of infection is significantly lowered. The viral load is significantly lowered. Therefore, the chance of transmission is significantly lowered. If everyone is vaccinated, the spread will grind to a halt and the virus will die off. 

 

Read about transmission articles after March.

That's not want the manufactures say 

The Vaccine does not stop transmission, so what's the point of insisting on it ...

7 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

From the description he died of a GI hemorrhage linked to a known condition. No way that is linked to the vaccine.

So there's no chance this couldn't have been brought on if he had a bad reaction to the vaccine  ...... thanks for your superb medical knowledge and reassurance

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Nope. The AZ vaccine has been thoroughly tested.

So you have the mid or long term data  ?

1 minute ago, polpott said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

 

Dozens of NHS workers are fighting for compensation after developing narcolepsy from a swine flu vaccine that was rushed into service without the usual testing when the disease spread across the globe in 2009.

So a bit like this one  ..... yep

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Data is now becoming available for the last 12 months. Still no problems identified. I know of no vaccine that problems have suddenly been identified after 12 months of trials.

Swine Flu vaccine ? ...
Victims of swine flu jab to get £60m payout | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The major CV vaccines that have been approved in the West thus far have all undergone multiple rounds of clinical trials, typically involving up to some tens of thousands of participants each.

 

The noted side effects from those trials from people who received the vaccines have generally been short-term and mostly not serious.

 

The only part that hasn't occurred in the current situation is long-term trials and follow-up, because of the urgency of dealing with the CV pandemic and trying to stop its spread. As a result, the vaccines are currently being authorized under "emergency use" provisions.

 

That means  ... it hasn't been tested  ..... No mid or long term data available  .... 
It should be fine though ... the vaccine manufacturers have never been wrong before.

9 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

No.

 

If a patient has a serious, potentially life threatening underlying health condition and dies as a result of that health condition following receipt of COVID vaccine the death was likely unrelated to the vaccine.

 

Ditto if someone dies of an accident following vaccination.

 

 

So are you saying .... there is no chance that he had a bad reaction to the vaccine ?
There's plenty of people have a life threatening health condition and live until a ripe old age.

Don't bother with this ... it's nonsense It was posted on You Tube by someone who gets a kick out of practical jokes 

I'd quite like to be able to walk down the street without it being an obstacle course, and I don't really give a shit if that fits into some idea of how you think the city should look.

You can do that easy .... don't come to Thailand ... go to Paris, London, New York, Adelaide etc

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The meeting next week will be interesting when everyone brings along their toys

I think this guy is fed up with being intimidated - and I don't mean by the army

Keep the feet for dancing

I take it you have information other readers are not privy too ? .... maybe he just wanted to apologize for years of not doing his job honestly ... what's it got to do with the reds ?

The poll was in Bangkok .... I think the result will be different in Surin Udon etc

And this is crystal clear.

The man has nothing to hide or being afraid to testify.

We all know the reasons of that crackdown and we also know that the reds were responsible for what happened.

Anarchy is not acceptable and will be tolerated the same way if happens again.

All other excuses and crying by certain members should be ignored.

Quite correct. Prayuth and his men showed true fortitude and patience in the face of those brutal terrorists even when they were questioned as to why they were being too tolerant of them. Ahbisit was even being questioned over his control of the army as they were a force with no teeth in the outset when they used rubber bullets and water cannons against military grade weapons...

In Brisbane, Australia a man with a knife enters the Queen Street Mall while everyone is trying to go about there business and THAT IS WHEN the police come in and used live fire.

In Bangkok, Thailand brutal terrorists threaten to blow up LPG truck, perform grenade attacks at Thai banks, attacked Thai charity with grenades, stormed parliament, attacked NPP and TPI buildings with M16 and grenades, (this was around the time tear gas and rubber bullets were fired by the soldiers), stormed police hospital, stormed TV station (people started questioning Ahbisits control of the soldiers after the lack of resistance they offered the terrorists on this occasion), bomb attacks on electricity pylons, 2 police taken hostage, destroyed CCTV cameras and dumped tyres on sky train tracks and THAT IS WHEN the army came in and used live fire.

Of coarse the UDD want you to believe that people with flowers in their hair were signing kombaya around a camp fire while a guitarist wearing a peace symbol necklace with long braided hair was being slaughtered by a weapon firing 300 bullets a second in the merciless grip of a huge demonizing muscle bound soldier that has fire in his eyes and a vendetta to kill as many innocent people as he can.

Prayuth testifying will only make the brutal UDD terrorists look worse than they already look.

The Reds were totally surrounded ... they couldn't get out to put anything on skytrain tracks ... I think you believe the yellow propaganda

And this is crystal clear.

The man has nothing to hide or being afraid to testify.

We all know the reasons of that crackdown and we also know that the reds were responsible for what happened.

Anarchy is not acceptable and will be tolerated the same way if happens again.

All other excuses and crying by certain members should be ignored.

Live fire zones set up in the middle of the city, over 100,00 live rounds fired by the army and over 2,500 high velocity sniper rounds fired, over 90 people murdered (including those cowering in the temple) and several thousands injured - nothing to hide?

How is it that the Yellows (PAD, PITAK SIAM, PDRC) have spent far more time protesting in the streets (and airport) yet the military has never felt the need to go out and slaughter them?

Anarchy is not acceptable? <deleted> was it that Suthep and his merry mob of Southern thugs were doing? Your double standards defy logic.

People in the streets fighting for their freedom get massacred by their own military and you side with the killers - despicable.

so you would rather the red terrorists just have open slather on killing, blowing up, burning down Bangkok and everyone just sit around and watch them. What sort of drop kick calls for terrorism to be allowed to flourish so one man(thaksin) can get his wa, everyone knows the reds(and black shirts) were using the same weapons, without ballistic results no one knows who killed who. Trying to put the yellows into this is pathetic too, as they werent involved plus they did not open fire on people, try to burn down the city or blow it up, it was purely the reds/ptp scum, as usual the red apologists are trying to blame those that had nothing to do with this crap. Really should try to use facts and not your red propaganda

you need to read what really happened ... and maybe use some facts yourself ... you not impartial ... "reds/ptp scum" I think this shows you have only listened to one side of an argument

Get real!!! Where else in the world would this have been allowed to go on. This was the complete responsibility of the reds. If these thugs would have violently taken over a downtown area in any western city the death toll would have been much higher. The Gov showed amazing restraint (too much in my opinion). Let's not forget who was armed and barricaded, let's not forget their rallying cry of "let's burn down Bkk", which they did!!

The first people killed were the people rallying against the reds, they were blown up with rpg's (the red's favorite tool). The next set to be killed was in fact the military. Still restraint was shown until finally, finally they were ordered to disperse but instead decided to stay and try and earn more from their paymaster in Dubai. They got what they deserved. I hope justice is finally done with no amnesty so hopefully this nasty piece of history can never repeat itself here.

Don't believe what you read in the press ... it's never the truth

And this is crystal clear.

The man has nothing to hide or being afraid to testify.

We all know the reasons of that crackdown and we also know that the reds were responsible for what happened.

Anarchy is not acceptable and will be tolerated the same way if happens again.

All other excuses and crying by certain members should be ignored.

I think I finally understand you now! I think you're taking the mickey with your comment, sarcasm to the highest degree! You're just saying this stuff to get a rise from people while in the real World you are appalled by the atrocities committed by Red/Yellow/Thaksin or Prayuth. Nobody could make the comments you make in seriousness could they!

Costas is absolutely correct. The reds open fired on the soldiers supported by taksins men in black. Do you expect the soldiers to do nothing?

No atrocities were carried out by yellow shirts or by Prayuth. Your reply is pathetic. And as Costas says "your excuses and crying is best ignorted"

The Reds didn't start shooting at soldiers ..... that's absolutely ludicrous

And this is crystal clear.

The man has nothing to hide or being afraid to testify.

We all know the reasons of that crackdown and we also know that the reds were responsible for what happened.

Anarchy is not acceptable and will be tolerated the same way if happens again.

All other excuses and crying by certain members should be ignored.

Live fire zones set up in the middle of the city, over 100,00 live rounds fired by the army and over 2,500 high velocity sniper rounds fired, over 90 people murdered (including those cowering in the temple) and several thousands injured - nothing to hide?

How is it that the Yellows (PAD, PITAK SIAM, PDRC) have spent far more time protesting in the streets (and airport) yet the military has never felt the need to go out and slaughter them?

Anarchy is not acceptable? <deleted> was it that Suthep and his merry mob of Southern thugs were doing? Your double standards defy logic.

People in the streets fighting for their freedom get massacred by their own military and you side with the killers - despicable.

Amazing number of shots fired by trained army and trained snipers, and so few people injured or killed.???

Over 100,00 live rounds fired by the army and over 2,500 high velocity sniper rounds fired, over 90 people murdered (including those cowering in the temple) and several thousands injured.

Dad's Army would have a better success rate than that or is a Red Shirt supporter telling porkies again

Here is a fact

On 17 May, Thai military helicopters dropped leaflets on the Red Shirt's main encampment, urging them to leave. The Red Shirts responded by firing homemade rockets at the helicopters.

Homemade rockets .... and you believe that ? ... you are having a laugh ! ... strange how you only believe the propaganda from the side you support and dismiss anything the the other side says as "porkies" ... Also Suthep's lot stormed government buildings and caused untold misery in Bangkok .... but the army didn't feel the need to take the same action. You have double standards

The Junta want her to flee. The US has by and large stayed out of Thai affairs, hoping things would right themselves without giving China too much of an opening, however, events have taken a darker turn - the all out assault on the Red leadership, which has never been done by either side before, has the US worried that if something does happen to Yingluck they will look terrible - the US have let democracy be overthrown and elected politicians be persecuted without so much as a whimper. Not a good look for Obamas' legacy. The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

Which way do you people want it.? here you claim the U S has let Democracy be over thrown, but as soon as remarks are made by U S politicians about the current government restoring domocracy everyone is up in arms as the U S is medeling in Thai politics

The US should have been more vocal from the start and made their position clear, no elections = no friendship and no trade. Instead the US gently scolded the Generals and hoped democracy would return by itself, this course of action emboldened the Generals and the ultra right to go after Yingluck and co. in a way they've never done before and now the US has belatedly realised it must make its position explicit, thus the dispatching of Russell and his carefully worded public statements. The displeasure from the Junta at Americas' recent outspokenness is because they know it signifies a change in position from the US and they will no longer be given a free hand to suppress and persecute their own citizens - the tone has changed and the US would have made sure the Japanese gave the same message to the good General on his recent trip which is probably why the general felt the need to publicly state there will be elections within 12 months. The US couldn't have prevented the coup - but they sure as hell could of and should of put a lot more pressure on the Thai elites behind the machine to do the right thing in upholding democracy - they didn't ,but now appear to be correcting that mistake which is a good thing.

utter rubbish. but I ssuppose typical of ignorant red shirt supporters

why do you think red shirt supporters are ignorant ? ... just because they have a different point of view to yours ... you are showing that you are incredibly ignorant

Perhaps she was only heading to the US to further her studies. Politics, Democracy and Economics would be good subjects as she has little knowledge in those fields.

I think a good deal more than you ...

Justice, is a distant bell. Rarely heard in Thailand!

Justice, is was a distant bell.

Started being heard more often nowadays in Thailand.

I said started and hope it continuous being heard louder and louder as time goes by.

do you mean you have heard the bell of injustice ? ... nob