maykilceksin

When someone teaches you something new, do you always get agressive and childish as this?
I am not backing down on anything and say the same from the beginning. But you?

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Using the above criteria, I guess these are sport bikes too. After all, they are on the track

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when you race it, we call it sport. scooter races, cbr500r cup, moto gp, same. some is faster some is slower but all of them are called sport and that make the bikes compete sport bikes automatically.

so you dont need a high revving 250 hp machine for sporting intentions.

no one wived this thread and i felt bad about the OP.

so wanted to contribute as he is travelling in Laos with low cc bike while we are sitting at our comfortable chairs.

How are the roads in Laos nowadays after Monsoon?

any gmaps links about where you are no in Laos?

A Honda is a perfect appliance. But in many cases, it's a boring motorcycle.

Just look at all the Honda 500s that are for sale. Many have very low miles.

Some of us are looking for the bike that can inspire us to go out and ride everyday.

just be fair.

I fail to see how my post was unfair. It was brought to mind by this quote of Socrates -

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

you fail to see things you dont want to see or understand. that is all.

like this no? a slander comment as a tool of a loser? check it out:

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

if you feel like you are in an arena not a forum then this post made you a loser and slander became your tool.

people dont write in forums to lose or win or become a loser or winner. just for sharing the ideas on specific topics as correct as possible.

not like 'cbr500r is sh..ite, not good and not sporty because i own a yamaha r3' and if you do so someone comes and corrects you and start to question your competence level and experience on bikes of course.

this is what forums are for. just FYI.

It has been my experience that during a discussion, when one of the parties involved starts to accuse the other parties of being less than avid, or inexperienced, or somehow does not know what they are talking about, then that person has already lost. Many different points of view, many levels of experience. Without knowing what the other person has done, it seems the height of folly to accuse with no discretion. Myself, when shopping for my second last bike, I rented many. The 500 series lost for me as having low power.

people slamming bikes or misleading people without even riding them or just because they own other brands or being a fan boy of other brands or scooter riders talking about sportiness or sport riding. these kind of people do not lost?

and losing or winning? this is a forum:) winning or losing. oh man, is this a bike forum or an arena for you?

just be fair.

The CBR is what it is, a bland linear low revving 471cc vanilla commuter.

Calling it sporty is a disrespect to sport bikes.

They should have done the F and X models as they are, then made the engine of the CBR model actually sporty and outside of the 47HP limit for the British license laws.

then it might get some respect.

absolutely spot on.

The engine suits the F model, dressing the engine up and marketing it as sporty is a disrespect to any biker.

Sporty for the newbs and clueless.

Honda (perhaps everything under the CBR600 should have a different badge and name, but unfortunately they still get called a Honda) should have used this engine in the F and X bikes for the newbs and commuters and aged mini-tourers, and forgotten about the UK license limit for the CBR471R and tuned the engine to be a fun, performance based screamer.

But alas, Honda is a joke nowadays.

yep, non sporty for bar stool riders and scooter guys or the ones never ever ridden one

I owned one for about a year, bought as a simple little commuter, as that's what it is, sold it as it was even too boring for that.

Been riding bikes of all sizes and preferences full-time for a tad under 25 years.

Sporty?

Only to squids and idiots. My description pretty much sums it up perfectly. "a bland linear low revving 471cc vanilla commuter. "

Nothing wrong with that, if that is what is promoted as.

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Only to squids and idiots. My description pretty much sums it up perfectly. "a bland linear low revving 471cc vanilla commuter. "

Photos does not say so though. you sure you ride for 25 years? your description means nothing and you lose credit on what you say. and this make me assume you are a squid?

because squids praise hp or high revving machines although they never ever use that potential. just for bragging rights.

The CBR is what it is, a bland linear low revving 471cc vanilla commuter.

Calling it sporty is a disrespect to sport bikes.

They should have done the F and X models as they are, then made the engine of the CBR model actually sporty and outside of the 47HP limit for the British license laws.

then it might get some respect.

absolutely spot on.

The engine suits the F model, dressing the engine up and marketing it as sporty is a disrespect to any biker.

Sporty for the newbs and clueless.

Honda (perhaps everything under the CBR600 should have a different badge and name, but unfortunately they still get called a Honda) should have used this engine in the F and X bikes for the newbs and commuters and aged mini-tourers, and forgotten about the UK license limit for the CBR471R and tuned the engine to be a fun, performance based screamer.

But alas, Honda is a joke nowadays.

yep, non sporty for bar stool riders and scooter guys or the ones never ever ridden one

Zxr400.

4 cylinder, 16 valve.

14000 rpm redline.

60+ hp.

Divine chassis, with usd.

25 years old, outruns the cbr500r.

Just as an example for calibration of your devices.

apples to apples.

i think you have no idea and i think you dont also believe what you are saying:)

that is an inline four machine with 3000 km service intervals and high fuel consumption therefore high emissions.

i am sure you have no idea about emissions. a maker cannot make such a bike anymore for normal legal use because emission rules are a lot stricter than 25 years before.

that does ring a bell?

Nonsense.

You will have to add catalysator exhaust and injectors instead of carburetors.

Engine control unit.

Today's sports bikes outside Thailand crank out same hp/liter and more to this day.

Read up on modern day sports bikes.

During this period of 25 years the 1000cc sports bikes went from 150 hp to 200hp per liter.

Emission control added.

haha. so about emissions, it is all about cat and injectors, huh? what can i say to you:)

and sorry, which sport bike below 500 cc cranks more power than cbr500r now in 2016?

just link an example. any inline four 250 cc or 400 cc available in the world markets now? maybe honda cb400 sold in Japan but that also makes similar power like cbr500r.

things change. you speak about 25 years before. i also loved that screaming high revving cbr250rr 4 cylinder but no more. world turns, things change, new rules/regulations arrive etc etc.

Zxr400.

4 cylinder, 16 valve.

14000 rpm redline.

60+ hp.

Divine chassis, with usd.

25 years old, outruns the cbr500r.

Just as an example for calibration of your devices.

apples to apples.

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that is an inline four machine with 3000 km service intervals and high fuel consumption therefore high emissions.

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on top of that, riding license rules also changed. one needs to buy a 47 hp bike in Europe to meet a certain license bracket. behavior of consumers also changed.

you want a high revving superbike with a lot of sportiness, go for cbr1000rr or zx10r s1000rr etc. that is what people do.

but then you go buy a yamaha exciter 150 scooter and then come here and speak about sportiness which does make any sense to me.

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What is the quoted HP figure for the Ninja? 39HP from what I have read. The CBR 500 figure is 47 or 49HP depending on the article, a bit more than 3 or 4 as you claim. Maybe the Ninja is better for the twisties but the 500 would surely eat it for breakfast as a tourer , unless you like being buzzed by 13000 redline all day.

I believe the 'official' numbers are CBR 47, R3 43, Ninja 41. Of course none of them get this on the dyno. The top speeds are very similar. However I feel you're just splitting hairs.

The point is the CBR is advertised as a 'sports' bike and is made to look like a sports bike but the sad thing is, it isn't really a sports bike.

Just read what Mark says above as he has both.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Honda is a very good and reliable bike but like you said yourself it's more of a tourer. The CB and CBX are excellent value and do what it says on the tin sadly the CBR doesn't. Frankly, unless it has RR after it, the current CBRs don't live up to what they used to.

So if someone wants an actual sports bike and has limited funds, then a Ninja or R3 would be the way to go. So, no, paying 35K more for a CBR over the other two is, IMO, no way worth it.

those does not sound correct.

actually you just sound like a ninja 300 owner (which you are) having full of regrets when you see the new cbr500r just for 30 k more than porky ninja 300.

so how can we believe what you are saying? r3 and ninja is sportier and cbr500r not? man it is very funny to hear these and they just DELETED

what do you think cbr500r is not a sport bike? because you just say 'cbr500r is not a sport bike' and nothing else. anything countable we can call facts not bs?

look, just facts not like 'i own a ninja 300 and it is sportier than cbr500r'

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And you sound like a Honda 500 owner(which you were).

People here don't have to believe me or you, and perhaps they shouldn't. However, they should listen to Mark131v as he has two of the bikes mentioned and doesn't agree with you, but does agree with me. Funny how you didn't quote or attack any of his posts.

Anyway, I feel you miss the point entirely. i have never said that the CBR has less power etc than a Ninja or R3 it just does not perform like a sports bike should. A Verseys 650 has more power than any of the bikes mentioned but again it doesn't perform like a sports bike. I could go on.

one has the right to buy any bike. be it ninja, r3, cbr whatever.

you like ninja and you feel it is sportier, that is fine. no problems on that. ninja 300, r3 these are also great sport bikes. i always have a lot of fun when i ride my friends' ninja 300.

what i am saying here is some people' probably fan boys' that have no or less idea about bikes or biking, slamming bikes out of nothing with their limited knowledge and riding skills.

and some here putting negative comments even without riding the bike they comment.

these provide misleading comments.

The CBR is what it is, a bland linear low revving 471cc vanilla commuter.

Calling it sporty is a disrespect to sport bikes.

They should have done the F and X models as they are, then made the engine of the CBR model actually sporty and outside of the 47HP limit for the British license laws.

then it might get some respect.

really?

for your competence level maybe it is a vanilla scooter:) but for some it is sporty. for the ones that knows what they are doing of course.

[. . . ] Agree that this bike a better choice for extra 30K over a Ninja 300 or Yamaha R3.

Really?

2 of them look like sports bikes and ride like sports bikes. Get them in the twisties, keep them near the red line and the engine will sing to you as you tear the living crap out of it while still begging for more.

The other one looks like a (very nice) sports bike, but red lines at 8500rpms. Front end of a panigale,(ish) middle and exhaust of a ninja and back end of a yamaha.

Yes it has 3-4HP more, but is that really worth it? Coz a sports bike it aint.

What is the quoted HP figure for the Ninja? 39HP from what I have read. The CBR 500 figure is 47 or 49HP depending on the article, a bit more than 3 or 4 as you claim. Maybe the Ninja is better for the twisties but the 500 would surely eat it for breakfast as a tourer , unless you like being buzzed by 13000 redline all day.

I believe the 'official' numbers are CBR 47, R3 43, Ninja 41. Of course none of them get this on the dyno. The top speeds are very similar. However I feel you're just splitting hairs.

The point is the CBR is advertised as a 'sports' bike and is made to look like a sports bike but the sad thing is, it isn't really a sports bike.

Just read what Mark says above as he has both.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Honda is a very good and reliable bike but like you said yourself it's more of a tourer. The CB and CBX are excellent value and do what it says on the tin sadly the CBR doesn't. Frankly, unless it has RR after it, the current CBRs don't live up to what they used to.

So if someone wants an actual sports bike and has limited funds, then a Ninja or R3 would be the way to go. So, no, paying 35K more for a CBR over the other two is, IMO, no way worth it.

those does not sound correct.

actually you just sound like a ninja 300 owner (which you are) having full of regrets when you see the new cbr500r just for 30 k more than porky ninja 300.

so how can we believe what you are saying? r3 and ninja is sportier and cbr500r not? man it is very funny to hear these and they just DELETED

what do you think cbr500r is not a sport bike? because you just say 'cbr500r is not a sport bike' and nothing else. anything countable we can call facts not bs?

look, just facts not like 'i own a ninja 300 and it is sportier than cbr500r'

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[. . . ] Agree that this bike a better choice for extra 30K over a Ninja 300 or Yamaha R3.

Really?

2 of them look like sports bikes and ride like sports bikes. Get them in the twisties, keep them near the red line and the engine will sing to you as you tear the living crap out of it while still begging for more.

The other one looks like a (very nice) sports bike, but red lines at 8500rpms. Front end of a panigale,(ish) middle and exhaust of a ninja and back end of a yamaha.

Yes it has 3-4HP more, but is that really worth it? Coz a sports bike it aint.

What is the quoted HP figure for the Ninja? 39HP from what I have read. The CBR 500 figure is 47 or 49HP depending on the article, a bit more than 3 or 4 as you claim. Maybe the Ninja is better for the twisties but the 500 would surely eat it for breakfast as a tourer , unless you like being buzzed by 13000 redline all day.

cbr500r eats a ninja at all times. say it corners, straight line performance, commuting, touring, reliability, smoothness, quality, looks, service... hp difference is 8 hp which sounds like nothing but it is around 20 percent more power and 40 percent more torque. and for only 30 000 baht more!

and overall a cbr500r is more sporty. of course for riders now what they are doing not for riders focusing on rpm claiming it is what makes a bike sporty which they sound very funny:)

I think 175 kg ninja feels porky especially at low revs as it has less torque to keep it moving. when i ride ninja 300, i feel like i am riding a cbr150 until it reaches 10 000 rpm but you barely reach those rpms in city so it does not make much sense unless you are on a track or highway but then again a cbr500r will smoke a ninja 300 even if it is churning low revs because basically a cbr500r is more powerful and have a higher power to weight ratio of course.

and what happened to the guys here finding cbr500r old tech? ninja 300 or r3 having higher tech? no actually lower tech than cbr500r.

go buy a bmw s1000rr but it is 840 k thb.

do you have money? latest tech comes with money. do you have 840 k thb to spare for bike in thailand which will not be as easy to ride as a cbr500r at most normal riding situations?

no one is forcing you. cbr500r designed for beginners and returning riders and for those dont need a lot of power but just a small nimble machine they can ride with minimal expense for service and petrol.

do you need those tech in Thailand as a farang as smallest problem at those electronics, you pay a hundred grand for repairs and wait for days.

and 1970s tech in cbr500r, i dont think so. yeah, bikes had two wheels in 1970 too:)

a lot of dinosaurs run in this thread:)

bikes from decades before. yeah nice bikes but basically honda still delivers nice bikes.

and some focuses on rpm:)

it is not rpm that makes a bike sporty or not! if you dont know this just quit writing misleading information here (or basically quit riding in a bike forum and just read/experience a bit first then come) as you show your ignorance.

Yes.

If I crave a bike I would buy a bike.

But as you pointed out they are expensive.

So I don't, but I can't be asked to go back in time.

it is not back in time.

it is a 2016 model good value for money motorcycle which also looks greater now.

it is done by latest production techniques and standards. material tech now is also a lot better than 1970s.

Honda is certainly not using better base materials than in the past, all the steel and alu is of a lower quality and therefore cheaper.

The suspension components are very old tech

What they've done is down cost the manufacturing while still holding the price, made for people that dont know about the tech advancements but

see its still go the "look".

Yes still a relatively entry level price, and would be a great bike for many people.

This is a running joke in the MX world about Japanese bikes:

A management meeting at one of the Japanese companies

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how do you know which materials honda is using?

tech of suspensions are the same with 90 percent of the bikes being sold in this world.

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plus some do not need tech in their bike as it is costly and expensive and time consuming if broken. especially on a 200 k thb bike, no one needs high tech and people willingly accept this at that price bracket as more tech means a lot higher price.

if you want tech, as i stated, cough 840 k thb to BMW or 1,2 million baht to a ducati panigale but then dont cry when you need cough another 100 k for a broken electronic suspension (half the price of cbr500r) suddenly and need to wait for 2 months for parts to come.

just apples to apples. this is not a bike designed as high tech one, this is designed for easy riding while being sporty for low budget while being and feeling as a quality honda bike.

perfect upgrade from a cbr150 or any other small cc bike.

it is cheap to buy, cheap to run and service but it does not feel cheap when you ride it. it feels and now looks a lot expensive than its price and it is a lot of fun.

for my friends asking me recommendations about their first bike, i am recommending them any of the 500 series honda now. before i was recommending them honda 300 or kawa ninja 300. but 500 series are as easy to ride as those smaller cc bikes and i believe safer with its better components.

No USD = no deal.

Not buying 1970 technology in 2016

go buy a bmw s1000rr but it is 840 k thb.

latest tech comes with money. do you have 840 k thb to spare for bike in thailand which will not be as easy to ride as a cbr500r at most normal riding situations?

. cbr500r designed for beginners and returning riders and for those dont need a lot of power but just a small nimble machine they can ride with minimal expense for service and petrol.

do you need those tech in Thailand as a farang as smallest problem at those electronics, you pay a hundred grand for repairs and wait for days.

and 1970s tech in cbr500r, i dont think so. yeah, bikes had two wheels in 1970 too:)

bikes from decades before. yeah nice bikes but basically honda still delivers nice bikes.

and some focuses on rpm:)

it is not rpm that makes a bike sporty or not!

Yes.

If I crave a bike I would buy a bike.

But as you pointed out they are expensive.

So I don't, but I can't be asked to go back in time.

it is not back in time.

it is a 2016 model good value for money motorcycle which also looks greater now.

it is done by latest production techniques and standards. material tech now is also a lot better than 1970s.

Interesting nationalities there and seems many peoples concerns on "who" is overstaying and " who" the main suspect nationalities are appear to be correct...........50 Pakistanis......Im imagining how many made it into the UK over the years and still reside there now bleeding the UK benefits system.

Is this after UK,bled dry India(Pakistan)for a couple of hundred years.At least you can get a decent curry on the way home from the pub now.

Have you ever seen the "kitchens" in your curry houses......unfortunately I had to paint one once

What you want me to do change history..how far back do you want to go historically?

as Pakistani or Indian, at least they have money to hire you to paint their place and generate some jobs and income for you, no?

show some respect man!

No USD = no deal.

Not buying 1970 technology in 2016

go buy a bmw s1000rr but it is 840 k thb.

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do you need those tech in Thailand as a farang as smallest problem at those electronics, you pay a hundred grand for repairs and wait for days.

and 1970s tech in cbr500r, i dont think so. yeah, bikes had two wheels in 1970 too:)

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bikes from decades before. yeah nice bikes but basically honda still delivers nice bikes.

and some focuses on rpm:)

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Thank God it's the same as a 1985 Honda engine, and not a 2015 one.

It might actually be good.

If memory serves, Platinum used their copy of that same SOHC in their 200cc and 250cc. Those were stone reliable bikes, use them and abuse them, always came back for more.

Nothing to worry about with this engine , it is NOT made / assembled by Honda. This 400 FI single is made by Zongshen , who also make the Platinum PX 250 engines ( not sure about the 200 ) , and BMW engines. No problem with the quality there. One of my bikes is the PX 250 , converted to motard.

One small correction, the engine and basically the whole motorcycle is developed and made with the help of Shineray, which is very closely related to Zongshen – but is not Zongshen...

Nothing wrong with that Shineray, is in the top 10 of world largest motorcycle manufacturers and is partly owned by Zongshen….

what is the difference between Zongshen and Shineray?

Zongshen is better and Shineray is second grade?

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Thank God it's the same as a 1985 Honda engine, and not a 2015 one.

It might actually be good.

If memory serves, Platinum used their copy of that same SOHC in their 200cc and 250cc. Those were stone reliable bikes, use them and abuse them, always came back for more.

copy but they just copy the design (and not all aspects and with a cut the corners approach)

and do you think they manufacture them with same materials like it is done by Japanese?

bc it will be around the same price (minus cheaper workforce) with a japanese engine then and Chinese cannot compete or they get very less profit.

I think it's been said before on this thread but it doesn't hurt to say it again ------ This bike is sold in Europe & UK as the Mash 400 Roadstar. Search for Mash 400 UK and you'll see a few road tests, spec. information etc.

UK price appears to be £3799 (about 200,000THB) on the MASH UK site I looked at so maybe they're a VERY good deal in Thailand or there's some big profiteering in UK - is that any surprise? Perhaps the bikes aren't exactly identical cosmetically - UK version seems to have a 2-tone paint job and a rear rack but that wouldn't account for the UK/Thai price difference.

There's a free download manual for the original Honda XBR 500, on which this bike is based, available here http://www.carlsalter.com/download.asp?p=1320 and probably other places, too.

I'd seriously consider one of these, particularly as I had a couple of XBR 500s in UK and liked them a lot - nice, reliable, gentle bikes to ride when I didn't want to ride my more sporty bikes. I don't do many miles a year nowadays and all of those are on rural Isaan roads so many considerations of durability & longevity aren't so important. Perhaps far more importantly, the gentle nature might encourage my wife to ride pillion with me occasionally on days out.

there are anti dumping laws for Chinese products in Europe so that is why it is expensive not because it is good quality. It means most Chinese products including motorcycles are considered as DELETED there!

and again a generic Chinese bike. god knows it is branded under which brand god know what grade Thailand will get.

disrespect for Yamaha sr400.

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mslaz looks like a good bike but in real, it is too small and style is not for everyone.

moreover, finding a service that can fix it is a big deal too. you have to rely on small yamaha dealers.

of course most Thai will go for honda cbr150r.

Thailand as well as the United States uses racial and ethnic profiling in its Immigration policies. If you are black, dark skinned, come from the Indian Sub Continent or the Middle East you will be watched and profiled. It happens exactly this way in America. I am not saying it is right but it is true. Just recently, there was a post from a Turkish national that was refused entry based on the Immigration Officer believing he was working in Thailand. He indicated he was not. I believe because of his Nationality he was targeted for extra scrutiny. In Thailand, you are also suspect if you are dressed a certain way and appear nervous around the police.

Thailand is also discriminative against asians too! Most of my friends at recruitment companies state that, Thai companies refuse to hire asian looked applicants (along with colored, middle easterns, latinos etc) although they were born in usa or uk with good qualification and focus on WASPs and ok for less qualification for them!

So what can we expect from a country and mentality discriminating their own race/kind?!

How does a country discriminate ? Or did you mean Thais ?

Are you asking a question just to ask a question?

I believe it is clear unless you have problems on understanding.

Thailand as well as the United States uses racial and ethnic profiling in its Immigration policies. If you are black, dark skinned, come from the Indian Sub Continent or the Middle East you will be watched and profiled. It happens exactly this way in America. I am not saying it is right but it is true. Just recently, there was a post from a Turkish national that was refused entry based on the Immigration Officer believing he was working in Thailand. He indicated he was not. I believe because of his Nationality he was targeted for extra scrutiny. In Thailand, you are also suspect if you are dressed a certain way and appear nervous around the police.

Thailand is also discriminative against asians too! Most of my friends at recruitment companies state that, Thai companies refuse to hire asian looked applicants (along with colored, middle easterns, latinos etc) although they were born in usa or uk with good qualification and focus on WASPs and ok for less qualification for them!

So what can we expect from a country and mentality discriminating their own race/kind?!

Well there certainly is NOT 108 people in that photo.

I see 11 people (not including those standing who are clearly immigration officials) and 10 of those are black or dark skinned. Does that not seem odd to anyone ? May I suggest more than a little racial profiling going on here.

Who says all 108 are supposed to be in the same photo? As to skin color: the article does not state where the other "nationals" are from.

Maybe a little racial profiling is not such a bad idea. It would at least help identify immigrants who present a particular risk to a country. Islamic fundamentalists, for example. Or potential rapists.

Just ask the Swedes.

Like the rest of Europe, racial profiling is not allowed in Sweden. That's why, until somebody got hold of the official crime statistics for rape and did some analysis based on race, the public never knew that the huge increase in the incidence of rape and other sexual assaults was caused almost entirely by young male immigrants from Muslim countries.

Their presence transformed Sweden from one of the safest countries for women into the rape capital of Europe - and probably the world, on a per capita basis. Hence the Swedes new, tougher stance on immigration.

From the figures quoted in the newspaper article, it is clear that young men from Muslim countries such as Pakistan and India (yes, I know India has a big Hindu population, too), with a reputation for treating their women abominably, constitute a large proportion of those arrested in the round-up.

If I were a Thai woman I would definitely be celebrating their apprehension and,imminent deportation along with the rest of these scumbag lawbreakers, who help give all foreigners with a legitimate presence in LOS a bad name

totally misleading and discriminating post. i am not a muslim but against all kinds of discrimination.

racial profiling for rapists? what does it mean? so just bc some idiot muslim rape some Swedes, all Muslims needs to be profiled as rapists? or just because of some terrorists, all Muslim needs to be counted as one too?

man you sound like a discriminating person or you have no idea on what you are saying.

all i know most of the pedophiles and rapists in Thailand are from christian countries. no? so maybe Thailand needs to ban Christians so they cannot enter Thailand and abuse kids?

I guess your country only gets mentioned if you have brown skin, else, you are lumped into the OTHER category.

totally agree and sad but true!

total discrimination from the newspaper reporting this and also immigration allowing better standards for farang there.

If you are white farang, you are just 'other national' according to the newspaper and you get free sunglasses from immigration.

at the end, guilty is guilty. farang or whatever.