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yeah i know the guys on that video.they dont ride that fast (no balls) and they are wannabe riders, that is all.

better join kawasaki group with your new kawasaki.

Agreed they seem to be a cautious and Conscientious group

yep, too much caution kills the fun.

those guys on the video are like kids riding a horse on a carousel.

they have to sell those liter bikes and get scooters or cbr250r s to start learning to ride again from scratch unfortunately.

Personally I think the guys riding in that video are a bit reckless. Thailand's roads aren't built for that kind of speed and most of these riders probably don't know how to ride the 'Thai' way. I certainly would not like to ride with hoons like that.

anyway they dont send an invitation to you either to join them i am sure.

yeah i know the guys on that video.they dont ride that fast (no balls) and they are wannabe riders, that is all.

better join kawasaki group with your new kawasaki.

Whoa whoa. Hero alert with all of 35 posts. What bike did you say you were riding? Benelli 300 or something?

i ride a scoopy i but can do 140 kph with it!

can you? sure no balls!

i can smoke those guys on the video with my scoopy i scooter!

yeah i know the guys on that video.they dont ride that fast (no balls) and they are wannabe riders, that is all.

better join kawasaki group with your new kawasaki.

why you think and reason others?

it is your head and body when you crash down! forget about others.

it is all about protecting yourself from danger first not about making people around less or more safe.

or do you think it is a good 'choice' to break your head on the pavement in case of an accident?

so maybe you think you dont create danger for others which i dont think so; if you dont gear up, it means you dont know what you are doing and how to calculate risks in your life. so it makes me start to think you might not even know the traffic rules or maybe even dont know how to ride a bike properly. This is the impression you gave me although you might be a clever guy or a super duper rider.

guys running with full gear sure running much more safer than you and know what they are doing and how did you calculate their speed? do you go around with a Radar?

" if you dont gear up, it means you dont know what you are doing and how to calculate risks in your life"

Why don't you tell that to Andrea Iannone. He knows when its time to gear up and when not to.

clearly he cannot calculate the risks in his life too. thanks for your good example on such people.

even though he is a mighty racer, and a great rider, riding a 800 cc bike with shorts, sport shoes and without gloves is not a thoughtful act imo. first of all, most likely his legs might be burned as scrambler is operating frying hot they say.

he looks like a Russian renting a scrambler in Phuket!

he knows the fact that riding on normal roads are more dangerous than riding on a track but he has chosen to ride a 800 cc bike like a squid, not a good example for riders around the world too, especially to his young fans.

why you think and reason others?

it is your head and body when you crash down! forget about others.

it is all about protecting yourself from danger first not about making people around less or more safe.

or do you think it is a good 'choice' to break your head on the pavement in case of an accident?

so maybe you think you dont create danger for others which i dont think so; if you dont gear up, it means you dont know what you are doing and how to calculate risks in your life. so it makes me start to think you might not even know the traffic rules or maybe even dont know how to ride a bike properly. This is the impression you gave me although you might be a clever guy or a super duper rider.

guys running with full gear sure running much more safer than you and know what they are doing and how did you calculate their speed? do you go around with a Radar?

Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

You can make assumptions about me from one bit of information if you choose. I could make assumptions about you because of your less than perfect English, but that would be acting like a dick, and I try not to do that.

Why would I be concerned about the other people who share the road with me? Because I'm a decent human being who understands that I have no right to put others in danger.

But, FWIW, I will say this; I am about to turn 50 and I have been riding since I was 14. I have had some spills, some with gear, some without. I also drove ambulances as an EMT for a while. These and other experiences have brought me to my current opinion on wearing safety gear. And yes, I am licensed.

Finally, one does not need to calculate someones speed to know if they are driving too fast for the conditions. Take for example the recent Facebook video of the kid who ate shit in the rain and then so 'gallantly' held onto his passenger. The minute I saw that video I knew he was going too fast, long before I heard anything about how fast he was actually going. That he was going too fast is self evident.

do whatever assumptions you can do as long as they are reasonable like mine. but assumptions coming from my english would be poor in a bike forum, dont you think?

as i said in my post, you might be actually a clever guy and a good rider but from your post, that was not the impression i got.

you say you had your spills with or without gear, which one was more painful at ideal conditions? with or without gear? lets say what are you defending?

if freedom of riding without a gear, of course that is your life your skull. but if anyone defends that freedom openly, i have the right to criticize it because thousands of riders are dying on the roads just because they dont use a helmet or protective gear, harming themselves and others. thinking they are cool, they are free not to, or a helmet makes them sweat! - it is sweat or bleed at the end and if they do an accident and die, no one will remember their cool faces or their great tendency and love of freedom a day after the funeral!

as a decent human being and for security of the others, you just concern about yourself first and try to be away from danger. this will prevent you harming others on the road automatically. like they say in airplanes, before worrying about others, put the oxygen mask first to your own face.

Shorts and flip flops and half helmet here, though I don't commute. Switching to Vans soon as I'm getting a real bike I'll have to shift. Maybe some Crocs

Looking into a denim coverall for long trips, for sun and road dirt protection.

Yeah I know in a wreck I have a greater chance of injury, but that is my choice. I don't make anyone else less safe because of my lack of riding gear, unlike those with full gear flying down the road at speeds far beyond anything safe, endangering all around them.

why you think and reason others?

it is your head and body when you crash down! forget about others.

it is all about protecting yourself from danger first not about making people around less or more safe.

or do you think it is a good 'choice' to break your head on the pavement in case of an accident?

so maybe you think you dont create danger for others which i dont think so; if you dont gear up, it means you dont know what you are doing and how to calculate risks in your life. so it makes me start to think you might not even know the traffic rules or maybe even dont know how to ride a bike properly. This is the impression you gave me although you might be a clever guy or a super duper rider.

guys running with full gear sure running much more safer than you and know what they are doing and how did you calculate their speed? do you go around with a Radar?

better buy a real Stallion:

with this, sure you can go faster, better handling and less consumption. it will also give you a very retro and cool look:)

also a real stallion is more reliable i am sure than a Chinese metal one.

anyway, joking aside, i see many Stallions on the roads, some look cool after modifications.

what i know, it has some poor welding, suspensions, brakes and materials and 60 000 baht is too much for such a Chinese bike.

'duro' have that retro tires, check it out: http://29tire.tarad.com/product-en-1084935-6333561-Duro+Classic+tire++15+inches.html

I understand its just a 77% import tarriff as a personal vehicle?

you might get a temporary import to Thailand and ride your bike every six months to some borders and get another six months of temporary import.

but not a good idea to do it. just sell it and get another one here which will cost you cheaper in the long run.

so better dont ride a bike if you dont lean while cornering. Were you training harley guys only? they dont lean much that is why i asked:)

your body needs to lean according to your speed and according to the corner! of course you can turn a corner even without leaning at 20 kph but it will be a dangerous and slow turn.

plus you lean out when doing low speed turning.

You don't have to lean to turn a bike. The bike has to lean, which means the tires have to lean.

Try this. Lay a drinking cup on its side and roll it. It will roll in a circle, rolling around the smaller end.

A tire is like that. The larger part at the center of the tread has a faster rim speed than the smaller part near the wheel. The larger part - the tread - will need to pass the smaller part - next to the wheel. The tire must turn when it's laid over due to the dissimilar speeds on the same tire across the contact patch. It's the same as that drinking cup - physics makes it turn.

All you have to do to get a bike to turn is to lay the tire over and this "drinking cup" effect will turn the bike. You won't have a choice but to turn and the bike will pull you with it. Countersteering pushes the bike over and the tires physically have to turn. Physics demand it.

One of the greatest killers in motorcycle riding is "failure to negotiate a turn". A guy gets into a turn a bit fast and the bike begins to drift to the outside. He doesn't know to countersteer and he tries to lean. Leaning your body forces the bike the other way to the outside and the bike heads for the ditch!!

For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. If you lean one way on your bike you'll push it the other way and it will turn to the outside!!!!!! The bigger the bike the worse that is because it can't be manhandled. A light push on the opposite grip however will put it right where you want it!!!!

Cheers.

at times, leaning the bike only does not work to negotiate a corner and you might need to lean more at a decreasing radius corner suddenly for example.

or lets say if you just negotiating the corner by only leaning your bike or tire, it is a boring ride because you need to be slower.

and of course when i am saying leaning it means you bike also leans with you. If you just lean while your bike is vertical you just crash somewhere of course!

that guy you exampled drifting from corner is just not leaning enough with his bike. your body positions need to be same with the bike. so if bike leans and you stay vertical, you cannot negotiate the turn nicely too.

this is how you need to be to negotiate a corner as fast as you can in safety.of course a hard lean angle here though but it explains:

and these are the wrong body positions:

If you look at the specs and ride one, it's actually closer comparison to the CB500.

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good looking bike mt 03. i love the blue rims of it and i am sure it is a good performer for its intended purposes. wish you good time with it and anyway it looks like you are already having good time.

but it has 30 percent lower torque and 15 percent lower hp than cb500f. yes cb500f is maybe around 25 kgs heavier but it is good for the bike to hold the ground especially at cross winds or when a lorry is passing by from opposite direction on a tight road.

plus cb500f is roomier and most probably comfier and clearly a better allrounder for a mere 20 k thb more.

i have checked new r3 which is a good looking bike but get close, it has a lot of low quality components so honda low cc bikes are looking like 2 class above and Kawasaki 300 series are one class above from it in terms of quality. i am sure it is same for mt03 as they use basically the same components with r3.

and i am not even mentioning the good honda or kawa service.

where you will be servicing your mt 03? Normal Yamaha scooter dealers or Yamaha big bike in Bangkok? hope you live close to Bangkok but even if you are, Yamaha service in Bangkok is not very efficient.

i ride with my brain!

my brain have some superhuman powers and it is made of steel so it saves me from any accident!

^^^ You don't have to lean when cornering. Only the bike has to lean. He hit a strong stream of water crossing the road and it grabbed his front wheel.

so better dont ride a bike if you dont lean while cornering. Were you training harley guys only? they dont lean much that is why i asked:)

your body needs to lean according to your speed and according to the corner! of course you can turn a corner even without leaning at 20 kph but it will be a dangerous and slow turn.

plus you lean out when doing low speed turning.

that guy most probably hit the front brake and lost the front or maybe lost the traction of the rear wheel. No way a bike weights 400 kg with rider and pillion goes down just because it is passing from some water.

bikes are less prone to aquaplaning because of smaller contact patch and pointier profile of motorcycle tires.

It looks to have twin down pipes . Maybe twin 250 for licience / tax laws in some countries . Only thing close to this , so far , is the Ryuka ( spelling ?) RX 3 , that comes with panniers and top box . More practical than a KLX , for long distance touring .

more practical? until it brakes down in the middle of nowhere and suitcase sized panniers can only get documents and a banana maybe. and suitcases dont help in terms of a breakdown.

only a stupid person pays 120 k thb for such a fake bike like ryuka/generic rx3.

please do not derail the thread with s...ty chinese bikes.

^

as a rider?, if you are discussing the pros or cons of a helmet, better take a walk.

you ride with your brain you say but one day a car might rear end you and your brain might be exposed on the asphalt.

our brain is to think and to take necessary safety precautions. it is not made of steel or it does not have superpowers. if your brain does not say that to you, better get it checked.

regarding riding groups for OP, first better state what you are looking for than what you are not looking for.

also what bike you ride at what speeds?

For the sake of Lord Buddha... just go out and buy a d@mned bike.

For you, and your small displacement and 2 up fetish, go for a used CBR500 for 150k or so, and leave us in peace.

Oh pardon the hell out of me for existing.....go buy one yourself.

Riding with my missus is a "fetish" is it? Some odd ideas you have boy...or maybe you are thinking of 2 up with a Ladyboy?

CBR's are back busters and wrist strainers..oh and they sure as hell don't cost 150k new, or can't your read?

Grumpy/Happy make your mind up, oh okay I am assuming you have your grumpy head on today .

better get a second hand er6n or better er6f.

i see them going for 130 k nowadays.

and use it forever with fun and reliability and gobs of torque and power from that tractable 650 cc twin and same weight with a 300 cc Benelli:) i though Chinese metal is sh...itty as tin but not the case with this bike it looks like:)

dont listen people saying japanese engines blow up, that is ridiculous and one in 10 000 possibly.

especially, i hear lots of engine blow up problems with KTM bikes nowadays and again lots of problems with indian make duke 390! (aka paper weight)

allan you aren't about to buy any bike at any moment.........you sure do like talking about it though.

seriously who gives a <deleted> about power curve peak hp and all that crap when your buying a 300cc bike,bennelli,honda,yamaha 300cc bikes are all entry level bikes for most people would use them to get experience on and than move up to whatever style engine size suits them, the 150cc-300cc is not a bike you are gonna love and cherish for 30 years.

Cr*p -- it's horses for courses. I've been a biker in UK for 40+ years - exclusively a biker since I never owned a car until coming to Thailand. Big bikes, small bikes, Jap, German, UK & especially Italian bikes, up to 900cc - 20 in total. I have UK advanced riding qualifications.

Right now, I ride a 300 simply because I can't justify buying anything bigger. I tend to ride what we'd call in UK 'country lanes' - 3 or 4 digit roads - and almost never go on the local highway. I only do about 3000 km a year and never less than 300 or so km at a time. I don't ride in company - because I don't know any other bikers in my locality - and don't take a passenger. A bigger bike wouldn't mean I'd travel any faster than I do on my 300 - I travel at up to the maximum speed I consider safe, bearing in mind the hazards we all know exist on Thai country roads. The 300 does that admirably.

You might say that my riding style, nowadays, means I'm no longer a 'real' biker, whatever that is. My reply would be "B*ll**ks".

A bigger bike would be a complete waste of money and potential performance. Why buy 150 hp when 40 hp will do what you want?

Incidentally, my favourite bike of all those I've ever owned is the lovely 250cc bike in my avatar. Yes, small bikes can most certainly be loved & cherished.

Ignore this bloke's advice, AllanB - keep asking your questions. There's not much better than idle chat about bikes.

being a biker is not about the cc of the bike.

a 100 cc bike also can do what a 250 cc bike can do here too.

so for you 40 hp might cut for another a liter bike just cuts.

for you safety means up to the limits of a 250 c but for another it is 1000 cc.

every bike can be cherished as long as you love bikes.

Just changed the Oil again at 1000km and that will do for another few thousand, Ill go over the nuts and bolts to check all are ok, tickover is ok and thats it for the first service, throwing in Hondas synthetic now, this old oil was pretty grubby compared to the first oil change I did at 200km

I got the Honda workshop manual servicing is pretty easy really, only pain is all the bodywork removal.

See how it goes on the synthetic, probably wont notice anything at all

all i know, honda voids the warranty is services are not made at Honda bigwing and issued to the book and signed by honda mechs.

^

Sorry, i should have put on my reading glasses. Of course there already is a happy owner as Nickymaster correctly stated two posts above.

and what about you?

do you ride a Benelli?

if you dont, any plans on buying one?

at least that guy has some balls to get a Benelli but you, you just talk while possibly riding your reliable long life japanese bike with comfort and probably deep inside you, you dont trust this bike.

you are just talking and misleading people. you have no idea about this bike or possibly bikes.

Google "ethanol fuel" and "plastic tank". Ethanol-gasoline blends can, over time, degrade certain types of plastic.

ah gotcha.... ethanol could warp the tank over time..... i did a quick google but didnt see how LONG it takes for that effect to become an actual problem

5 years?

10 years?

i doubt it happens very fast (IE within a few years) because i dont think major manufacturers would put a plastic tank on a bike that they know is being sold to a country with ethanol in the pumps if it was going to warp and have to be replaced quickly, or even within the warranty period

plus its unlikely i would own the same bike for that long anyway....1-3 years and you get bored, you want something new.... probably long before any tank problems develop.

ducati thailand did.

Sachs shock and Marzocchi forks are <deleted> anyways (speaking from experience with the same components on my Diavel.

Diavel and Benelli 600 use same components?

?

Not the same parts (shocks and forks) obviously but from the same manufacturers and they're <deleted>!

I can't say that having Sachs shock and Marzocchi forks is a bonus and that it increase the bike's value, quite the opposite. The cheap stock ninja 300 suspension performs way better and not even adjustable (other than shock preload).

Disagree.

# Never ridden a Diavel, not my cup of tea.

# Both Sachs and especially Marzocchi are world famous brands with a rich heritage and history. They do NOT make crap products. They make a product up to a design quality, or down to a price that the manufacturer (in this case Ducati) specifies.

# Funny, in road tests i've read of the above Diavel, by world class and famous knowledgable journalists, i never read "great bike, crap suspension". Strange that.

# Perhaps you need to read your owners manual, and set the bike up to your weight and how you like it, and if unable to, take it to a suspension specialist who can.

marzocchi WAS a famous suspension brand but not anymore.

http://motorbikewriter.com/marzocchi-suspension-set-to-close/

^ "many naked sport bikes"?? So what are they, especially in the 300K price range? Also the tank isn't plastic. It's got plastic covers.

Decent rider write-up here:

https://isontheroad.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/yamaha-mt-07/

cb650f comes to my mind first. a lot better value and cheaper and good quality.

you can get a kawasaki 800 for a bit more.

kawasaki er6n is always there.

suzuki gladius is sold in Thailand.

benneli too if you consider low quality chinese bikes but it sounds exciting.

i can even count cb500f, cb300f , ktm 390 duke and z300 although not the same caliper but for Thailand and those twisties not a lot of difference.

ducati scrambler and monster has similar prices.

and if you can pay more on top of 300 k, there are a lot better options like triumph street triple, hypermotard, bmw f 800 etc.

just dont get me wrong. i am not sure if you own a mt 07 or not. but i also like yamaha mt 07 and love to own one. it is a great value light bike with good power, and our rider ranks are getting crowded with such bikes so i respect it.

but lets dont exaggerate a budget bike with some quality problems, that is what i am saying, lets dont fool ourselves.

People are on about reliability, Chinese built etc etc. nonsense.

See the CBR300 thread for the guy's CB300 (CB286) who's engine disintegrated at 15k km and needed a whole new bottom end.

When I say hard break in I guess it's more semi hard, I've just been making sure I use full rev range and the occasional couple of fast starts. For the first 200 km I was pretty gentle and kept it under 5000 revs but read all kinds of contradicting info on the matter.. I evdentually resorted to the owners manual which makes no mention of keeping within certain rev ranges and more or less says no hard acceleration and no heavy engine braking.

I used to change oil in may cars very regularly (500 miles) so I'll make an early change now replacing with 10w30 mineral as it won't do any harm.

This is my first bike so trial and error for me at this stage

I went for the matte black, how about yourself?

Alfredo, you can buy a new CBR for less than a used Ducati, new bike, less problems

great bike. best value bike in Thailand.

but if one can live with the looks!

I wonder who will go first? Honda designers or managers/directors that assigned these guys and approved their design?

cb650f looks better somehow!

Make no mistake, the Yamaha MT07 is a truly awesome bike.

Hired a new one in CNX , rode down 118, through the mountains.

Great power and torque. Smooth engine , great gearbox and brakes.

Very comfortable.

Useful gear position indicator.

Confidence inspiring handling.

Sad to take it back

What other bike in LOS can compare with this?

Just saying.

any other naked sport bike?

what you are saying in your post can be said to many naked sport bikes here in Thailand. minus gear indicator but plus a metal tank and good suspension.

Hey, just a heads up. We are seeing a lot of fork bushings have abnormal amounts of wear even after only 3000 miles.

http://fz07.org/thread/2223/wrong-bushings-installed-factory-ensues

Whoah... this is serious enough to be a deal-breaker.

Thanks for the heads up, BA!

The MT-07 problem in a nutshell:

* Due to a mixup with very similar part serial Nrs, Kayaba supplies MT-07 forks to Yamaha with wrong sized lower bushings (OD 41.1mm instead of 42mm).

* Results in a bush end gap of 5mm instead of 1mm.

* Due to wrong tolerances, lower fork bushings begin to wear out excessively straight from the showroom.

* Excessively worn bushings found at 3,000km and earlier, on MT-07s all over the world. Normal fork bush life span is 30,000~100,000 km.

* Excessive wear results in loose fork internals and clunk sounds under breaking.

* Yamaha may not be aware of this hidden issue, because forks are only being pulled apart when replacing original dampening cartridge/springs/oil.

* Yamaha may be aware of this issue, but choose to ignore it to avoid costly recalls.

I think I'll put a hold on my MT-07 order until this serious issue gets acknowledged and resolved by Yamaha...

these are real issues. thanks for pointing out.

we all praise this bike for its value but it is actually a budget bike with budget components and sure these will taint for your riding enjoyment.

if you throw 2000 USD for better suspensions, etc it can be a better bike. But than for 500000, there are cooler bikes around.

and add plastic fuel tank to the list. bike is light but it is more of plastic it looks like.

i dont trust this bike.