KenKadz

Seems to me that all those illegal immigrants in England and Europe are in need of jobs.

Are the Farmers Paying more for Water?

Or is this just more Greed?

Ain't Free Enterprise (supply and demand) Grand!

"hoped that having the death penalty would act as a deterrent"

Hope in one hand

Poop in the other hand

Let me know which one fills up first?

Death Penalty is only a Deterrent if a society is willing to use it, quickly, efficiently.

Hum, looks like there has been currency manipulation taking place.

Reactions should be interesting.

Lead by Example!

Oh? Mai Pen Rai....

"despite the sorry or nonexistent state of most Pattaya sidewalks"

I think this might be in the control of a competent City Government!

It seems to me that hospitals get their guarantee of payment before they attend to a person, and make a copy of passport or ID papers in case a person does a runner.

If they are loosing money they need better management and security measures (immigration departure hold), but then no one in Thailand is responsible.

7 hours ago, soalbundy said:

How do they lie? I can only speak for the German embassy methods but they seem quite rigorose to me. The proof you bring must be original letters/statements from the pension provider and monthly bank receipts of this money going into a German bank account, that would seem seem enough proof to me to say "we can verify this." I don't agree that statements can be forged successfully, I unwittingly gave them a copy of my British pension statement along with my German pension statements, the British copy was immediately refused, although I could see no difference they could, I had to supply them with the original and it was then accepted as proof.

"we can verify this." Does not mean that anyone does verify.

American Embassy required No Proof or Documentation.

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats exactly why some Embassies stopped with the Verification on Income letter.

 

It was impossible for them to be able to accurately verify the income of all requests without a larger team, significant leg work and cost. 

 

Too many people were outright lying on their income claims and the Embassies were unwilling to sign off on a legal document they were unable to verify. 

 

Of course, people blamed the Embassies for their change of policy, however, really its the immigration requirement which is awkward for some to meet and when they can't they unfairly complain at their Embassy for not being willing to verify / notaries their spurious income claim. 

 

Basically, some folk are upset they can't use their Embassy to lie for them. 

" Embassies were unwilling to sign off on a legal document they were unable to verify"

So the Embassies lied to the Thai Government about their citizens income for 40 years right?

The Immigration Act, 1979 - Thai visas, residency and work permits ...

Intentionally blocking the Ambulance is called 'Passive Aggressive' behavior.

"fines of 500 baht were useless"

Authorities setting Fine on what they think people can afford is called 'Thai-ness'.

23 hours ago, rumak said:

yes indeed.    article says he was charged 250 baht more per visit than a Thai person.   He then launched a "four year campaign for justice".     Let's all send a big thank you to this Farang for standing up to the injustice.   Now we ALL can pay for his campaign.   Hey, but now its written as the law .   

How i wish Farangs would just keep their mouths shut.  But that is probably like wishing Thais would stop eating somtam.

I thought the idea of "Going Dutch" was each person paying his own bill.

Interesting logic, if a person can afford to be retired they can afford to pay the most, regardless of income.

6 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It is certainly not written in the amendment to the police order.

But as most people are aware immigration can ask for additional proof if they think it is needed.

It is not clear what they were asking for in that one report of it. Proof of where the money is being transferred from might be enough proof if they suspected your were earning the money here and sending it out of the country and then back again.

Interesting that Thai Immigration will accept a document (like a Social Security statement) as additional proof of where the money is coming from, but Thai Immigration has never mentioned an Agency or Mutual Fund retirement statement as a substitute for an embassy income affidavit.

You are a knowledgeable guy Joe, what are your thoughts please?

I think the Thai Embassy in Vientiane just became Americanized!

(i.e., We are required to help you, but we really do not want to be bothered. So we will change the long established rules (1979), and Outreach Schedules to make it as inconvenient as possible.)

On 11/9/2018 at 2:56 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There should be a Bangkok session offered by the U.S. Embassy folks as well...

 

And if they can't or won't do that for some reason, at least make available a full transcript or audio recording of the CM session and send out the links via the ACS email notification system.

 

Or better yet, webcast it live.  But that may be a tech step too far for the Embassy folks.

 

Did they listen? Was there ever a transcript or audio recording released that you know of?

Please advise?

Thanks

Good Work!!

It has been my experience over the years that if a person wants to get an Embassy's (or State Department's) attention they have to take their case to their State representatives in Congress (Senators / Representatives), because they control the department's appropriation.

Life is Good in Cambodia for Retirees.... and Hassle free!

"fulfil the Thai authorities’ requirements to guarantee the future level of pension/income for Danish Nationals"

Do I understand this right, that Thai authorities are demanding guarantees on FUTURE LEVELS of pension/income?

Guess Thai authorities think farangs can tell the future.

Certainly explains why embassies are backing out of the program.

On 11/2/2018 at 9:31 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

So at this point, I'd say it's pretty clear the moving force behind all these changes re income affidavits/letters is Thai Immigration, and not this or that Embassy deciding to be pissy about their workloads.

 

Although, from what the Embassies have said, these latest changes by Immigration seem to have been underway well before BJ just lately became the new Immigration commander. For whatever that is worth.

 

 

Thai Immigration is not asking for anything new, these regulations have been on the books for years.

The change is that Thai Immigration is asking the embassies that may have been verifying fraudulent document for years to be more diligent.

The onus is on the embassies for their years of possible fraud, and now that they can improve their relationship with Thai Immigration they have chosen to throw their citizens under the bus.

Thoughts......

1. Interesting that the governments of the U.K. and the U.S.A. have just publicly announced that they have been lying to the government of Thailand for years. Not very smart!

2. Are these decisions made "locally" by Embassy Foreign Service employees, Local Hire (Thai) employees, or being mandated by the Home Office and Dept. of State?

3. If a person has documented official statements of income from government agencies and/or banks what is the problem, lazy and inept embassy employees?

4. Might be time for U.S. and U.K. citizens to demand the Inspector General of the respective agency to get involved.

5. Wonder why this is happening now after years of potential abuse?

Why is it only U.S. and U.K embassies so far, all others say nothing has changed.

6. Is this decision initiated by the Thai government or Embassy staff?

7. The Thai government shares in the confusion by not making the regulations and/or requirements public, understandable, (posted in writing in the offices), and allowing each immigration office and Thai embassy to operate ant way they want with no standardization.

Other than a letter from an embassy or bank account does Thai immigration define any other forms for verifying income?