LolaS

On 8/11/2017 at 7:23 AM, Bluespunk said:

Wonder how the Thai govt would react if the USA consulate here, supported and encouraged protests in Thailand? 

It happend!! you predicted the future.

11 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Like I said, i do not waste my time with machines.

All  good where i was, sorry you were not so fortunate.  Or, get those machines calibrated.

most of them are not accurate o measure directly pollution, good decision, the one use appropriately also show normal values for Feb

May was clear and not poluted

31 minus 15 is 16... sorry, this is illegal in Ireland.

I support love <3 

but not this

WOW, nothing happened. they are unable to help me.

Since there is law there, probably is also in BKK. so they would ask legal services, which somehow are clueless of what is going on

8 hours ago, bubba said:

Particulates in ambient air, including PM 10 and PM 2.5 can also be sampled and analysed using high or low volume air samplers fitted with selective size inlets, fractionators and tared filter media. This is a primary measurement of particulate and is the required regulatory method in many countries, but of course is a more time consuming one that yields time weighted averages and not real time measurements such as using a particle sizer as you have referenced. This 

nobody is doing that!!!! that method u describe is time consuming <nd expensive

6 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

In post number 204, LolaS writes that PCD sensors are only for research now. Meanwhile, Airvisual (thaiaaqi use http://kaiterra.com) is owned by IQAir, the Swiss manufacturers of IQAir air purifiers. 

 

Berkleyheath has three measurement sensors in Chiang Mai, as a said, CMU has thirteen, I couldn't find any sensor data (or anything useful) on CDCC.

 

Where I'm trying to get to with these questions is to satisfy myself that air pollution reports are being compiled in a reasonably unbiased manner, using hard data (rather than modelled data) and from a range of sources capable of painting a fairly accurate and reliable picture sources - I'm not there yet on this point, unless I'm missing something only CMU has that capability and even then, only for the greater Chiang Mai area but they aren't using that capability generally..

 

There does seem to be an over-reliance on IQAir reporting and I wonder how sensible it is to believe it all given that it is modelled data and that it comes from a company that sells air purifiers! 

 

I'm happy to believe I may be missing something here and if somebody can point out what that is, I'll be very pleased and I can move on. I for example do not live in greater Chiang Mai, who is measuring the air around me and how are they do that, using which sensors, and that question goes for anyone in any location other than greater Chiang Mai?

PM2.5 can only be directly measured by DMA aka Differential Mobility Particle Sizer

3 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

Thanks Lola but that's not what I'm looking for, I'm trying instead to understand who has what active pollution monitoring technology where and what is the source of the myriad of pollution reports. For example, IQAir has a pollution app. which models data from some source, I believe the source is likely to be the PCD monitoring stations but I'd like to confirm that. I'm also keen to understand who is actively monitoring PM2.5 values rather than extrapolating them from PM10 values, if anyone knows the answers to these things, I'll be grateful.

what is a source, I assume you mean the sensor type? apart for PCD that is used only for research now, and thaiaaqi use http://kaiterra.com

9 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

I have some questions:

 

Various entities are reporting air quality at different locations in Chiang Mai Province but there's only a limited number of sensors, I believe that CMU has a network of fourteen sensors and the PCD has a network of five sensors, four fixed and one mobile, is that still correct?

 

Pollution levels for locations that don't have sensors create readings for them based on models, that is certainly true for IQAir's infamous pollution by location app, is that correct for the remainder of location reports?

 

It used to be that PCD could not directly measure PM2.5 because they didn't have the technology in place, regardless, PM2.5 can be extrapolated from PM10 readings Does CMU or PCD now have the capability to measure PM2.5 directly?

 

Thanks 

 

you can request to put on in your location I think it is for free, but you need to supply electric power and WIFI

Before or around the middle of May, I would get a reply from BKK.

31 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Apparently your extensions of stay have been applied for under one of the categories that does not require a work permit.

You would not be able to get another visa or extension if it was needed unless you were to end your current job and relocated to Bangkok.

You could get a work permit in Bangkok for the job if your employer was willing to sponsor it. You might need permission from your current employer to apply for it though.

I will ask institution in BKK also what should I do.

46 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Don't think it is a mistake but more convenient for them because:

1) you are vulnerable when you are in an non legal situation, the labour office (who supplies work permits) is a strong defender of the employees when there is an issue between employer and employee. 

2) it will cost them quite some effort / money to get the paperwork done.

3) they think they will not have a problem

 

I just return from HR. I show them this post and replies, 

they explained to me that the regulation on which you are referring are correct but it is not applicable to their institution.

Somehow, every higher institution have the special law ( it is not under Higher education aw as I thought it is, that is now is in most Europe)

They showed me law, signed by King and proposed by the prime minister,  that labor law and the financial law is not applicable for this institution. Which is explicitly mentioned and explain in that law.

I didnt know there are separate laws for institutions, 

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I never said that the Labour office doesn't cooperate with the Immigration police. If everyone has a WP when a WP is required, ne'er the twain shall meet. It is only when someone comes up short of a WP that the Labour department hands-off any 'disposal' to the Immigration department. If you break a Labour department law (typically working without a WP) then you are punished by the Immigration department for violating your Immigration status (typically working with the incorrect visa).

 

If you need evidence of Immigration police doing things 'their way' observe how each and every official application form states that the applicant must submit the application in person. Then consider the amount of foreigners, either through agents or through HR departments with the right connections, who get the needful done without the applicant going anywhere near any Immigration office. Some happily avoid personally attending the Labour office and the Tax office as well.

 

I never suggested that you have done anything illegal in the past. If you were engaged in R&D in academia, then the relevant HR department were probably correct in saying that you didn't need a WP. However, your subsequent disclosures suggest that your job description has changed and at least one of your planned employments typically mandates that a WP be applied for.

 

It is up to the foreigner, any foreigner, to do 100% due diligence on any and all aspects of their employment and immigration status in Thailand and never blindly accept the word of HR, peers or bar-stool lawyers or even those that strive to offer earnest advice on these hallowed pages. This is more salient advice when one considers the considerable tightening of the rules over the past 3 to 5 years for 'border hopping' and the total revamp of the Tourist type visa to include who qualifies for one.

 

Either way, your post was all about having the correct visa and that has already been confirmed. The question of the legality of you working without a WP has been raised as an adjunct and if you are now questioning some HR departments advice that has stood you in good stead for the past 5 years, then you have learned something.

 

Good luck.

I question why would they allow me to lecture 5 years without Work permit? and how to explain in BKK why I didn't have WP if they ask for one?

Are they going to ask me to get a new visa? the one I have expired 5 years ago, I am on extension based on contract, which state that I have also part devoted to students. why no one realized in 5 years that it was illegal to have students without WP. but again why would HR and legal department make mistake?

40 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You need to do 2 things:

1) For you job in BKK you need a work permit, no need to ask if you need it. Best work together with the university there to get one as you need a lot of paperwork from them and they should have experience with this.

2) You were doing R&D in Chiang Mai, apparently they see this not as work. Now you have 2 options depending on what is stated in your current contract:

a) Your contract still has R&D in there: You are doing lectures, if a student/parent gets pissed of with you, they could have a friend look into your paper work (remote chance) and give you some issues. To be 100% legal, change the contract with your current title and get a work permit.

Your contract states lecturer: You need a work permit.

No my contract doesnt states lecturer.

4 hours ago, Get Real said:

Visa is not important in your situation, but ok.

You can hold Non-O for the reasons of marriage or having a child with a thai national. You are allowed to work with that type of visa.
You can hold Non-B, which is for business and work. You are also allowed to work with that type of visa, off course.

If you are allowed to work will depend on the rules regarding work permit. If you have that or if it´s needed.
If you not have and it´s needed for your work, then you are not allowed to work
If not needed then you are allowed to work.

Hope that answers your question, as 25-30 comment already tried to explain the same.

Do you know where in BKK I can ask if I need work permit? Is it advisable to ask them if 5 years I was without WP in CNX?

8 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Neither a professor:

For regular faculty (i.e., not counting administrative positions such as chairmanships or deanships, nor positions considered "staff" rather than faculty), the descending hierarchy in most cases is:

• Distinguished, Endowed or University Professor (Other such titles of special distinction vary by institution)
• Professor ("Full Professor", i.e., the destination of the "tenure track," upon exhausting all normally-expected promotions)
• Associate Professor (A mid-level, usually tenured, professor)
• Assistant Professor (typically entry-level for "tenure track" positions which lead to Associate Professor)
• Research Associate, Lecturer, and Instructor (usually non-tenure-track positions, sometimes with their own respective ranking hierarchies)

 

1

yes, Assistant and adjanct assistant.

2 hours ago, greenchair said:

The one that hires illegally gets 100000 baht fine. 

The worker can go to prison or at best be deported and blacklisted, never to be allowed back in Thailand. The employers are rarely prosecuted, if ever. 

2 hours ago, William C F Pierce said:

 

You want help and to be understood. Yet you are so tetchy to so many peoples replies. The fact is you should not be in any form or type of educational institute, because your English grammar is atrocious. It is no wonder that the Thai standard of English is so low. When it is subjugated by your know it all low mentality.

again, I am not English teacher or tutor!!!!! 

2 hours ago, SteveB2 said:

Hi LolaS,

 

Although an initial quite specific location of work address and duties description must be in your work permit, the Thai work permit allows you to add additional places of work , that can sometimes not be specifically defined due to the nature of the work duties. The same goes for additional duties - these can also be added.

 

The description of additional location(s) and even the duties carried out at the additional locations can be of a quite broad nature.

 

Here's a few I've used successfully in the past that have been added to old work permits used in both Chonburi and Surathani provinces.

 

For instance:-

• 'Teaching water sports in the Gulf of Siam'
  • Non specific location covering a massive geographical location.
  • Non specific duties covering a wide range of water sports activities
• 'Teaching water sports in hotel swimming pools'
  • Non specific location covering all hotel in Thailand.
  • Non specific duties covering a wide range of water sports activities

 

So how about you have added to your work permit as an additional location...

 

• Lecturing students in University conference rooms
  • Non specific university location
  • Non specific duties covering a wide range of water sports activities

Should be easy to get implemented.

 

Hope this info helps 

Steve, thank you, 

my job is not Lecturer, it is only small portion of my job, account less than 20% of working hours. What should I do with other 80%?

43 minutes ago, Get Real said:

However, you are going to need WP for both works, if your conditions regarding the works mentioned has changed from R&D.

 

Above I have copied, what you just, wondered about in your reply. Guess you just missed the "if" that was written there.

As you already have been reading in the regulations posted to you regarding WP for different works, and where you not need it. 
Then you should not have any more problem to figure this out, right? It´s not rocket sience, you know. 

no it doesnt change on the north, but I am not sure why are you trying to explain to me about Work Permit?

I asked about visa. this is my concern!

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Almost as problematic as the posts that are initially ultra-light on specifics, particularly when the subject matter is rather esoteric, nuanced or otherwise unique to academia and then the poster gets a cob on when the thread goes off on an unnecessary tangent. 

 

Yes, one has broken the country's labour laws but ultimately it is the Immigration division of the RTP that does the needful on behalf of the Labour Dept.

 

I dont understand you? why wouldnt immigration cooperate with labour department? are you saying that all these years, they did wrong?

are you implying that Immigration dont follow the law?

this is hard accusation, do ou have any evidence for this?

why would they ask from other to copy WP, but not from me? 

are you alluding that I do something illegal?

3 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

academic courses. Part of MBA program

yes for that one you need Work permit, because it is not academic position. 

2 minutes ago, Get Real said:

 

I must congratulate you for having such a nice and welcoming attitude, when you are asking for help in a forum. Is that something you get as a bonus with a higher academic education?
Anyway, you are going to fit right in here in Thailand. All that consider themself as upp class look down on and think they can treat so called lower population like shit.

However, you are going to need WP for both works, if your conditions regarding the works mentioned has changed from R&D.

To judge from your attitude, you already consider that you know everything. So why bother to ask?

I sincerely hope you sort it out,and not just believe something that ain´t true out of your emploters lust make things easy for themselfs. That can unfortunately end hard for you.

wonder why I didnt need in first 5 years.

22 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

Your not being harassed.. Your being given accurate advice. 

The jobs you specified do need work permits.. HR often lies or is incompetent on this topic, however its you not them who face punishments. 

do you have any evidence for that?

as far as I know, harboring illegal employers is more big of a deal of law enforcement then working illegally.

As I am aware, if someone hire you illegally, that one will have more problem than worker.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

This is typical behavior from academics.

Never set a foot in the real world, yet reshaping the world between themselves, according to their theories.

These people, who know everything except a few insignificant details such as work permit rules, have little time and patience for bureaucratic worms foolish enough to try to teach them something.

why should I try to justify my work? I don't do anything illegal or unethical. If he doesnt believe me it is his choice, it is weird his repulsive dictionary and stalking. 

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

In the realm of academia, full time doesn't mean the same as it does for us lowly mortals.

Depending on their position, some may have to perform less than 10 hours a week to be considered as working full time.

Thus, it becomes easy to work many jobs "full time".

For example, the OP may work Monday and Tuesday in Bangkok, then fly to Chiang Mai to work on Wednesday and Thursday...and yet have Friday free for another job!

Yes, for example, technical teachers, the one that are employed only for teaching undergrads languages and other related subjects, need to work 15h per week of teaching, and that is considered a part-time position.

For me full time is 9 credits, but how is this relevant to this topic I am not sure.

they are not entitled to collective contracts.