RawboneFunksta

You people supporting this are moronic

Under no circumstances should anyone face gaol time for critical feedback

what next . . . teachers arrested for giving bad report cards . . .ya <deleted>---n idiots

I am not politically correct or someone who thinks free speech should be banned. I am also not someone who thinks governments should legislate to force folks to use certain pronouns, however, if somebody asked me to or if I was very aware that using a pronoun, for example, 'he' when the individuals choice was 'she' made her uncomfortable, I would use their pronoun of choice. Politeness and respect costs nothing instead making the user a better person and the bearer of the pronoun happier. It's a win/win choice. 

Flying in the face of such English and Thai conventions of politeness is an active, pedantic choice and although biologically correct (and no ladyboy in Thailand ever tries to convince anyone they are biological females or marches in the streets to insist or calls even the meanest of misgender-ers terms like 'transphobic' or 'Nazi' as trans people often do in the west) it reveals an awful lot about the person doing the misgendering, none of it good. 

A rag like Thai visa referring to ladyboys as 'he' is irresponsible and crass. Posters like those of you at pains to point out that 'ladyboys are not she' need to cultivate a little largesse and tolerance in your nasty little soul. We all know that ladyboys are not biologically female and so do they no matter how much their heart yearns so there is no need to keep reminding us or them. The poor girl is f****** dead and still you must persist in cowardly meanness. Don't be alarmed that if you don't make similar remarks every time the subject is raised somebody else may think that you are gay. Nobody cares

When I see posts like this it often seems, to me, at least, that they are more about distancing the poster from other, perhaps, undesirable expats than asking a serious question or making a point.

I wonder if it is unique to Thailand expats that a kinda of p******g contest has replaced dialogue?

Some may argue that it seems ridiculous to live in a country in which one does not like the physical looks of the native women. As I make this statement, however, something almost palpable is happening; men grabbing the keyboard to write some piece of moral one-upmanship such as, "we don't ALL come here for the women"

This followed by a denial, writ large, of any enthusiasm for--brown skin or uneducated village girls.

Next comes the passive aggressive quips aimed at those undesirable farangs again who "pay for it because they can"t get a European girl".

There always seem to emerge a sense in which posters are asserting their superiority over those reprehensible sex-pats. 

I simply can"t imagine why one would live and date in a country where one finds the women repugnant.  

In my opinion there are beautiful, graceful and generous women in every nation.

As far as conversation goes, there are many who say conversation with a Thai girl is impossible. 

I would ask them, when was the last time you had a meta physical conversation with any woman or man for that matter?

Conversations about art, politics or life are limited in all countries because unless the speakers are educated they are not capable.

However, the ability to have a conversation is not what relationships are built on.

An intelligent, well read woman may be a terrible bitch and vice versa. 

Sex is easy to find in this beautiful country and I do not mean of the bargirl variety although there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that.

Love is not so easy but one probably has more chance of it once one reaches middle years than in the west.

Older people, especially, it seems, older, white men, are dismissed and denigrated as being 'past it' or 'out of touch' and especially as 'old perverts' as if an older man should just shrivel up and die and certainly should never show interest in sex or love, that's strictly for the young. Yeats wrote this in Sailing to Byzantium, 'this is no country for old men' (I do not mean the movie) 

Thailand is the modern day Byzantium??

What's interesting is the ire flung at 'sex-pats' characterised as uneducated, loutish boors. Thai Isan girls too are described in similar ways. They are illiterate and primitive and without sophistication it is said. In which case these two groups of people seem a perfect match but frankly they exist in all countries.

Building a relationship on one's sexual desire and beauty is a fool's errand. I did it for years and always discovered that once the excitement dies, which it always does, there may be little left. Liking someone, that's the key, in my opinion. Liking Thai women is pretty easy once you realise that sabainess is what's important. Ease of heart and being able to be in the same space without having to talk or interact apart from a smile from a doe eyed, gentle hearted woman makes for a long and easy relationship. 

Thai women are great eye candy and no matter their age they usually care about their appearance, dress as well as they can afford and have a natural elegance and graciousness about that is unique to Thailand, I think.

Why criticise poor Thai girls and ladyboys with no education? How would we fare in their shoes?

This is an interesting topic and one could almost say that the reason we like living here is similar to our preferences for Thai girls? Maybe?

There are beautiful western girls and I have no complaints about previous western girlfriends but perhaps they are harder work than Thai girls when in a relationship?

In 6 years I have had one major argument with my Thai girlfriend whereas that was never the case in the UK. perhaps THAT IS BECAUSE OF GRENG-JAI? Thais don't pursue an argument to it's bitter and lowest end and also stop listening and just 'close down' if their partner is expressing anger or disappointment in them.

The issue is forgotten in due course without it predicating a huge argument. Perhaps that's true for others?

As far as appearance goes, generally speaking even older Thai women remain fairly attractive as usually they stay slim and have nice skin but like the beach cities in Thailand that collect piles of rubbish behind sand dunes there are also plenty of old scrotes whose bodies are covered in horrible tattoos and scars.

Life and women are perhaps easier here . . .

A few western women have asked me about the language barrier, 'don't you get bored not being able to discuss things in depth'? Frankly very few people, never mind western women are capable of having conversations about Art, Philosophy or Politics and even if they are it does not mean one gets on well with them.

Ease of heart is hard to come by and I think we can find it more easily here in Thailand. every morning is made better by riding to work in the sunshine or being woken up by lightness in the sky and a smile returned from a pretty cinnamon coloured girl. Thai people are generally graceful, smiling and gentle as long as they don't lose face . . then, stand well back.

Sex is actually a non-issue here as it is easily found everywhere so men do not have to spend lots of time and energy chasing it. It seems however that some men take time to realise this and still make the mistake of 'pedestalising the pussy' instead of focusing on more profitable pastimes.

Swallowing the 'red pill' is essential for ease of living (sabai jai)  . . .love your girl but don't be her sap, dupe, footsoldier or servant. Likewise in your dealings with service providers of all kinds, respect everyone but lose the white guilt.

An old adage levelled at staff of the East India Company was that once a man had lived in the East he was ruined for polite society but I would say it's the making of a man if he is self aware. Thai girls and their general and frequent loveliness is just part of the equation in my humble opinion.

Thailand Rocks even after 7 years . .

Thai people want the 'american dream' or it's korean/singaporean counterpart. As stated above they have been sold the concept and are finding it difficult to attain. A movie some years ago discussed the concept. It was called 'Lada Land'. A Thai aspirant buys into Herbal Life, the ghosts of burmese maids haunt the street . . . take a look.

I still find that Thai people are generally respectful and gracious most of the time especially as we integrate more into Thai culture ourselves. By that, I mean, become used to Thai people and what upsets/makes them lose face etc and try to manage situations more effectively, if possible.

Recent discussions surrounding u.k immigration have focused on integration as a theme, or the lack of it. Of all the immigrants to the west in the last 60 years or so, most have integrated and just gotten on with their lives; careers, families etc and consider themselves british or american citizens. The muslim immigrants, on the other hand, have not.

They tend to keep apart, and hang on to their own belief system even when it clashes dramatically with everything westerners hold dear.

christian culture, brought to thailand by expats and western tourists, while having a few poorly fitting points with thai beliefs, generally fits okay? Islamic culture fits nowhere except the islamic states.

Why is this pertinent?

For the first time ever I saw two separate Thai shop assistants completely lose their cool with customers. I am on a 4 day visit to pattaya just now and last night on 2nd road an arab person and a hijab wearing wife were asking, or rather, telling the 7/11 girl to add credit to their phone. They kept telling her it was wrong, they 'want speak home cuntry' very rudely.

She flipped and shouted at them she 'don't know'!!!

In the McDonald along the road a small qeue waited to be served amidst 20 or 30 yabbering Pakistanis. Patience was wearing thin while two arabs explained again and again what they wanted, changing their minds several times. The servers were getting upset. Then another big group of arabs came in and instead of waiting their turn, walked straight to the front. A Thai fella was ahead of me and I watched and waited to see what happened when his turn came.

As the server looked up for the next customer the arabs stepped in front of the Thai fella . . . . . .

He extended his right arm and swept the arabs aside and stepped to the counter! They scowled a bit but accepted it.

That's pretty strong action for a Thai without completely loosing control.

I also noticed the 'hordes' of chinese who fill the beach road and disgorge from speedboats every 10 minutes or so. I stood and filmed them and they encircled me. They have had a bad press from Thai sources but in my opinion they are just noisy.

The arab and pakistani visitors on the other hand seem hostile and all of them stare way too much.

In essence, the welcome we receive has less to do with race and more to do with cultural acceptance, assimilation and integration. Behaviour.

More and more I think Thais will come to realise that westerners are generally respectful and appreciative of Thailand and while we may not need to adopt all of the cultural behaviours we see here (I'm never going to grovel or even wai) we at least attempt to understand Thai people somewhat. There may be some examples of farang crime but they are pretty rare outside of pattaya.