cheshiremusicman

I don't know the Thai law specifically but I would think that attempting to limits a persons use and enjoyment of their personal property by a private treaty would be problematic at best. It's is quite different than applying rules in a condo where the purchase is conditional and the property is communal. If push came to show the person could, in all likelyhood, just leave the association.

The law, specifically, is:

- The Land Development Act of 2000, Sections 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53 and Section 70.

- Ministerial law on applications for the establishment, administration, merger and termination of housing development legal entities, 2002.

- Central Land Development Board regulations regarding the establishment of housing development legal entities or legal entities according to other laws and requesting approval to proceed with the maintenance of public utilities, 2002.

- Central Land Development Board regulations regarding the designation of expenses, criteria and methods for collecting public utility maintenance and management fees, and accounting arrangements, 2002.

It is quite similar to 'condo' laws/regulations.

If the Moo Baan has been set up under these regulations then every purchaser is an equal shareholder of all the land and facilities of the village - i.e. the roads, verges, entrance, pool, clubhouse (but not, of course, the plots which are owned privately).

Anyone purchasing a property within the "registered" village is also purchasing a share of the whole village. They are aware of this at the time of transferring the title of the land, and can not just withdraw from the deal.

Rules and regulations have to be approved by the majority of the residents and are normally applied only in respect of the "shared" parts of the village. Penalties normally comprise temporary withdrawal of services - not much more can be done.

The Land Office will not permit the sale/transfer of a "registered" plot (if they have been notified that maintenance fees are owed). Owners who do not pay their share of the village maintenance costs can be taken to court and may be ordered to pay their debt + a fine of 10% + the court costs.

Many thanks for your information, which would appear to confirm what we have been told by the local 'Land Office'.

Seems from some of the responders that they are quite happy to live with noise etc - everyone to their own eh !

scorecard,scorecard wake up dear or you will be late for work,your dreaming again.

Dreaming about what, please tell me.

He or she is probably dreaming of having the balls to do what you and your neighbours have done or are prepared to do to have a quiet life!

Sounds like your trying to impose ridiculous western values on this lovely idiot free country we love... Go HOME

Agreed.

Pathetic when some communities tries to state what colors one can re-paint the house in, the length of the grass in the yard and other such nonsense.

Here's my experience. One year ago we bought a nice house (not the most expensive, medium plus price range) in a quite new village in large upcountry city. Village sold out and now 99% complete.

When we talked to the sales manager he was quite professional, very careful to ensure no misunderstandings about any aspect of the sales / payment etc., process, very clear about what was and was not included in the price, options, etc etc., Plus he quickly made it clear that the sales contract had a long list of what is alowed and what is not allowed in the village (cannot start mni-mart in your house, noise from TV or stereo, loud cars, dogs, etc etc). In fact about 25 points. He was polite but very insistant that we read all the clauses then he insisted that he read and explain all the points. The list doesn't dictate exactly what colours you can paint your house.

My son shared that on one occasion he was in the sales office and a Thai couple said they wanted to buy but wanted a contract without all the said clauses. The sales manager refused and the sale collapsed.

Just recently every house received a copy of the clauses in their mail box plus a list of transgressions (but no house numbers), and a polite demand that those involved correct their transgressions with 14 days.

This generated quite some discussion with our neighbors etc (all Thai) and they were all very positive about the letter and supported the insistence that the transgressions be fixed. About 5 houses away we have one couple who had 5 small very yappy and very loud dogs. I could just hear the barking which was almost non stop. With the 'letter' in hand a delegation (about 7 or 8 close neighbors) approached the man with the dogs and made it clear they would not put with the noise. Four of the dogs have now gone. So far so good.

Many thanks for your comments. It just goes to show what CAN be achieved if you try, but it needs COLLECTIVE action, not just one voice in the wilderness. This does not mean that you have to be a 'BAD' neighbour; quite the contrary, but a lot of people do not like to 'rock the boat', or to put it another way ' put their money where their mouth is', always letting someone else fire the bullets, so good on your neighbours. I wish you all a peaceful co-existence which is all that we are trying to achieve.

I'm sure that you are aware of the number of people who just 'Love to complain' but will NEVER, NEVER, put up their names for election to the Committee; always leaving it to the people like me and my friends who are daft enough to put up with it year on year. You should have seen the 'run for cover' last year when nearly all of the Committee suggested that we all resign and employ a 'Manager' to run the place - my goodness what a run for the chicken coup that created !

Sounds like your trying to impose ridiculous western values on this lovely idiot free country we love... Go HOME

Agreed.

Pathetic when some communities tries to state what colors one can re-paint the house in, the length of the grass in the yard and other such nonsense.

Actually, that IS in our 'Articles of Association' , but being sensible people we just hope that we don't get some 'idiot' who wants to re-paint their house bright pink. The length of the grass is up to you, but fortunately we have people who WISH to keep up certain standards and all of our gardens look neat and tidy, but individual - everyone to their own !

I don't know the Thai law specifically but I would think that attempting to limits a persons use and enjoyment of their personal property by a private treaty would be problematic at best. It's is quite different than applying rules in a condo where the purchase is conditional and the property is communal. If push came to show the person could, in all likelyhood, just leave the association.

Thanks for your comment. We are not trying to 'Limit the persons use and enjoyment of their personal property by private treaty' we are just trying to make life more tolerable for everybody that wishes to have a reasonably quiet life. The fact is that we did have some people who requested to not be part of the 'Juristic Person/ Residents Association', as they claimed that they were not made aware by the developer of the future developments that extended the size of the 'Community'.

We dealt with this by holding a referendum of the residents, and in Association and guidance of the local 'Land Office' we allowed the people who objected to leave the Residents Association even though the 'Land Office ' said that we were perfectly entitled to make them join the Association. All the present owners pay their fees and it is implicit that any sale of property by any owner includes the statement that future owners are part of the 'Resident Association' and must pay the fees agreed. If an owner does not pay the due fees to the 'Association' then it is reported to the 'Land Office' and THEY have the right to block any sale of the property. So for those of you out there who scorn at these rules try that for size.

Sounds like your trying to impose ridiculous western values on this lovely idiot free country we love... Go HOME

Well, for your information I have been living in this very nice community for 5 years now and have served 4 years on the Committee with respect to looking after 'Capital Protects etc'. Yes, we have had our problems; but we have worked hard to resolve them and now have a stable Community (from some 14 countries) that pay their fees on time twice a year. My question was asked with regard to trying to make our Community stronger, so I do not need your contemptuous 'Go Home' remark.

I am perfectly happy living where I am, but just TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. maybe this is a concept that you are incapable of understanding.

What precisely do you mean by 'this lovely idiot free country' - are there any of these actually still surviving in the world, or are you the 'idiot' living in this lovely country , maybe you should take your own advice and 'GO HOME' ?

Once again, thanks for taking the time to stretch your overloaded brain cells for a few minutes.

GPS coordinates greatly appreciated. Waiting with bated breath, car fueled and camping equipment loaded, along with numerous cases of 'Chang'. Large boxes of brightly coloured beads included in the inventory as bartering tools for mineral rights.

NO, the 'Articles of Association' were drawn up when we formed the 'Juristic body ( or person) ' and presented to the 'Land Office' for approval to the best of my knowledge.

I posted this topic yesterday, but for some strange reason it did not appear so lets try again.

I live in a 'Gated development' which obtained 'Juristic body approval' some 4 years ago.

We have our 'Articles of Association' and 'By laws', which were voted on and approved by the residents, but does anybody know of any 'Juristic body' here in Thailand that has got any form of 'Teeth' to impose fines on people who do not abide by the the above? If so how are the 'teeth' governed and applied, monetary fines, exclusion of services or what?. We do not wish to have members of the elected Committee being vilified for trying to protect other residents from noise and unreasonable behaviour, but we do wish to try and keep our community protected from such problems, particularly from people who have rented property and think that they can do what the hell they like with no comeback - we recently had some Russians renting and they caused all kinds of problems, but could not give a shzt about complaints from neighbouring properties.

Does anybody know of any developments that have imposed a restriction on the number of 'domestic pets' that any one household may have. We now have some people who have 6 or more dogs and the noise annoyance is really getting to people - what is possible and what is not possible - within the law of course?.

I know that in many other countries their are legal restrictions on the number of pets that people can have - even to the extent of the number of fish that people can have - this relates more to 'condo's' because of the problems of large fish tanks breaking and damaging floors below. Personally I would like to see our development have a restriction of no more than 3 domestic animals per household for any new purchaser and a restraint on people who have more animals to not replace them when they die - and yes I am not an animal hater, I just abhor people who let their dogs bark for ages without stopping them as do my other considerate neighbours.

Any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated.

I live in a 'gated community' which has 'Juristic body' registration. We have a set of 'Articles of association' and 'By laws' which we ask our members to abide by, but my question is this. If a member refuses to abide by the said 'By Laws' does anybody know of any means - legal of course, that we can implement them, or could we as a body vote on including a 'Fine' that would be added to the the regular fees that we all pay to run the estate. Is there any way that we could get such a resolution recognised as a 'Legally enforceable', provided that we incorporated this into are 'Articles of Association'. The members who form the elected 'Committee' would obviously prefer if this was the case, as they do not wish this to cause problems between neighbours if such an issue arose.

Any thoughts, suggestions, or references to Thai law would be most appreciated.

As another issue I wonder if anybody knows of any 'Community' here in Thailand that has restrictions on the number of 'household domestic pets' that each household may keep. I know that in many countries around the world this is the case, even to the extent of the number of fish that you can keep - mainly in condo's because of water damage if a huge tank breaks.

I use the Toyota agency in Pranburi and have found them to be excellent, but I am sure there are many good reliable small time garages that can also provide a good service in the area.

I have used 'CHAINDRITE STEDFAST 30SC' . This is sold in a liquid form and seems to be very effective.

It is readily available and very easy to use, either by applying by brush or from a spray. You just dilute the liquid and apply.

The label on the container says that it kills 'Termites, powder post beetles, ants and other pests'.

I agree with 'Peter the eater' that having used 'Pest control companies' in the past I was not impressed by their service and I now just use this one liquid every now and again.

I have not applied this for about 6 months now and have to say that my home is miraculously free of any form of insects.

My house is built on an elevated base and I have found that by applying this liquid with a large paint brush at about 2 feet up from the ground ( it does not stain or leave any noticeable marks on the paintwork) it would appear to give very good protection. Obviously in the rainy season I would expect its efficacy to be reduced over time; but come to think of it, the last time I applied this as I said before, was some 6 months ago and that was before the rainy season, so I should really get my act together and apply this again before I have any problems.

I hope that his is of some help.

I must say that I am not aware of ANY Grass Turf growers in the HH area and would dearly love to know of them if anybody knows about them. The only place that I have seen turfs for sale is next door to the HH Immigration office. I would imagine that the scarcity of turf is due to the floods north of Bangkok where I understand most of the turf is grown.

I have used the 'Poly clinic' a few times and found them to be fast, cheerful, and overall give an excellent service. X-rays available on the spot - mine was for a chest infection, so I'm sure they could do wrists etc. Very reasonable charges as well.

I have registered at the 'Bangkok', but when I called in re the chest infection they said that they didn't have a 'chest specialist' so I went onto the Poly. The 'Bangkok' looks great , but it sounds as though the service is not upto the looks and a lot more expensive from what I've read and heard.

When I moved over here from the UK I used 'Asian Tigers' at this end. they did an excellent job. I cannot recall the name of the UK agent but it was a smallish, long established company based in the London area who were excellent who tried to minimise the cost by combining two or three people moving stuff to Thailand. The total cost for a 'house load of stuff' was about £1200.

F... me dead.... we have deadly snakes all over Oz. Snakes will normally "run". Crocs are more of a worry

Now THIS sounds like my kind of a place; what with 'deadly snakes all over and just to add to the fun and games 'Crocs'. Yes, I think that I will up sticks and move to this delightful place! Oh, hang on a minute I've just remembered I don't like flies in my throat, nose and eyes. Lucky I remembered that in time. Yes, stick with the floods and green mambers etc and stick it out.

These snakes are native in South Africa, to which Thai Airways has a daily flight. Serum should be available there, so why would it take 3 days to get it from South America?!

Simple answer - bacause that is far too logical. Inverse logic exists in Thailand; if any does exist, which I doubt!

I read an article somewhere about this guy some time ago.

We had dinner the 3 Girls Restaurant on Thurday night after years of not knowing where it was until I had to go to Immigration last week.

The 'Three Little Girls' restaurant?

Uhh..possibly..."3 Girls" or "3 Little Girls". It's right beside the new Immigration Office. Is there only the one restaurant, or are there two?

I think it's the 'Three Sisters' ?

Yes, you are correct it is ' The Three sisters'

I've shipped a boxer from finland to israel unaccompanied; and a staff. bull terrier from usa to israel w/stop in paris along the way. most companies have a maximum temperature level (months of july august here for instance )at which beyond, they wont carry the animal ifits in the stomach of the plane depending on outside temps..

some tips:

dont feed before shipping;

provide water in spill proof water container if possible

the vets i work with do not recommend tranquilizers as they say the animal can not cope as well with stress but every dog and vet is different.

use a quick release collar not a regular one so if something happens the dog has the collar but if something drastic happens, cannot hang or strangle itself cause the collar can break easily releasing it

put copy of paperwork in pocket of travel box and original with you

bring own dog food for few days and also some water from home

put shirt with your SWEATY dirty personal (familiar) smell in box; most dogs sleep thru times of high stress and the smell is a good pacifier.

for birds; check make sure that it isnt a CITES (endangered animal) and you can prove ownership (note from vet stating has been in your possession etc.

parrots react badly to stress so talk to bird vet . small budgie types are flexible little creatures so shouldnt be as problematic.

checks for psiticosis, chlmydia ???

dont think the thai officials really care about this stuff, no?

I brought two cats from the UK some 5 years ago. They had to have all the necessary injections at least one month before the flight and a certificate issued by the Vet which she had been given by the Government Ministry on which she had to state that she had inspected the animals no more than two days before the flight and that they were in good health; all the necessary injections etc being verified by the Ministry on the form for her to sign.

I flew with Emirates and the cats were treated like royalty from the moment they arrived at Manchester Airport.

We had two flights to get to Bangkok and when we got on the aircraft for the first leg we immediately asked the cabin crew about the cats. They were perfectly briefed and could not have been more reassuring as to the welfare of the cats. The Captain of the aircraft actually made a point of coming and seeing us personally to tell us that the temperature in the hold was being monitored and adjusted to what was considered the best for the animals.

The cats travelled in two large cat carriers with dry food and a hanging water container. As the previous poster mentioned, it is advised NOT to give your animals tranqualisers of any kind, as apparently they become even more effective at altitude. Our cats had small blankets that they were familiar with to rest on as the previous poster has recommended.

We arrived in Bangkok and to our delight found that both of our cats aged 13 and 2 were bright eyed and very healthy with no signs of distress. We had worried about the effect of the very load noise of takeoff and landing but as I said the cats appeared absolutely fine. The airport Vet inspected them and we paid I think 200 Baht each for their entry certificates.

All in all we came out of the experience more stressed than the cats.

I know that your original question was regarding birds, but I hope that this gives you some reassurance as to what happens on flights and wish you well with your importation.

Pranburi (rooms) very full already also

Just returned from the centre of Hua-Hin this afternoon and it is absolutely full of vehicles. I have heard that nearly all the condos and hotels etc are fully booked , but I can't be sure as this is just local gossip. If you cannot get accomodation in HH just travel further south about 10kms to Khoa Toa/ Khoa Takiab lots of accomodation in this area and Pranburi about another 10kms again lots of accomodation of all sorts.

Villa Market nearly empty shelves re meat etc, but Makro in Pranburi still plenty of veg/ fruit and meats, but sold out of rice I believe; don't know about water.

Hope this helps

Batten down the hatches, get ready for the biggest floating markets of all time. Sure hope that the quality of the goods is high.

As A foreigner I was the trend setter in our village. We have had the sand bags in place for a week now, bedding in. The personal belongings have been up stairs for a week, and all the while we were being looked at by the neighbours wondering what we were doing. Some in the village still haven't done anything to secure their belongings, and have refused our assistance.

Well done my friend; pity that your initiative and forward thinking wasn't taken up by your generous offer to help your fellow villagers. I'm sure they will live to regret this, but probably still won't accept the fact that you were correct and they were wrong. FACE FACE FACE.

I hope all goes well for you and the other villagers. I am lucky that I live near to Hua-Hin and we are as dry as a bone, even though we have had the worst 3 months of weather that I have experienced in the 5 years that I have lived here.

Hua-Hin is now full of people escaping from the flooding, but they are lucky enough to be able to afford to do this. My heart goes out to all those people in the floods that cannot escape because of lack of money and who of course have probably lost all of their possessions and livelihoods. A great tragedy for Thailand and its people

I ended up buying a 'Bosch' drill which is excellent. I have owned Black and Deckers before but IMHO the Bosch is better The one that I own will take a half inch drill and of course has hammer action if you want it. Makita is a good make but also expensive.

Don't, what ever you do buy one of the cheap electric drills; you get what you pay for.

The same thing also applies to drills of all kinds, pay more and they will last an awful lot longer.

You can buy all kinds of 'walking aids' from most of the Pharmacists outlets here in HH. Watsons in Market village have a good selection and I've seen many shops selling these kind of things. Hope that his helps.

We usually drink use the 6 liter bottles from Tesco, Singha, Nestle, or Minere. They seem to be non-existent these days but I found several Thai shops in my neighborhood this morning that still had lots of the 1.5 liter bottles.

If it comes to it, I got this from a U.S. Dept of health web page...

Water purification

There are two primary ways to treat water: boiling and adding bleach. If tap water is unsafe because of water contamination (from floods, streams or lakes), boiling is the best method.

Cloudy water should be filtered before boiling or adding bleach.

Filter water using coffee filters, paper towels, cheese cloth or a cotton plug in a funnel.

Boiling:

Boiling is the safest way to purify water. Bring the water to a rolling boil for one minute. Let the water cool before drinking.

Purifying by adding liquid chlorine bleach:

If boiling is not possible, treat water by adding liquid household bleach, such as Clorox or Purex. Household bleach is typically between 5 percent and 6 percent chlorine. Avoid using bleaches that contain perfumes, dyes and other additives. Be sure to read the label.

Place the water (filtered, if necessary) in a clean container. Add the amount of bleach according to the table below.

Mix thoroughly and allow to stand for at least 30 minutes before using (60 minutes if the water is cloudy or very cold).

Treating Water with a 5-6 Percent Liquid Chlorine Bleach Solution:

Volume of Water to be Treated:

1 quart/1 liter - 3 drops

1/2 gallon/2 quarts/2 liters - 5 drops

1 gallon - 1/8 teaspoon

5 gallons - 1/2 teaspoon

10 gallons - 1 teaspoon

Many thanks for the info, very useful to know in times of emergencies.

It seems that almost all shops etc are now limiting the amount of water that each customer can buy. I hope that this helps the poorer people who cannot stock up on supplies because of lack of money. Seems that some of the shopkeepers are getting greedy already and upping the price of water.

I would suggest you try the 'Anantastila' (I think that is the correct spelling) This lovely beach front hotel is located in Khoa Thoa some ten minutes south of HH. Lovely ambiance and gardens, I have eaten her many times and the food is good. Lovely gardens fronting the beach and would make a lovely background for wedding pictures.

Other restaurant of choice would be 'The Boat' located in the same area. They would probably give you the upper deck for the wedding party - again good food (Thai and European) at very reasonable prices. Good luck with the wedding.