Tod Daniels

In theory you're supposed to file a TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) form or online within 24 hours (actually I think the rule is 3 days though) but as long as you do it the first week you're back most offices won't fine you for not doing it on time. Keep in mind the max fine for late TM30 filing is 1600baht but most offices only charge people 800 (half the fine) if you file late
 

𝗖𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗹𝘆 𝗜 𝗮𝗺 𝗶𝗻 𝗕𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗸𝗼𝗸 𝗼𝗻 𝟯𝟬 𝗱𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝗩𝗢𝗔 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗺𝘆 𝘄𝗶𝗳𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗸𝗶𝗱.
There is no 30 day VOA 😮 So we will go with the premise you showed up here without having bought a visa before you came and you got stamped in FREE for 30 days <- that's not a visa on arrival, that's not a visa at all, just a free 30 day entry stamp  
 
𝗖𝗮𝗻 𝗜 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗡𝗼𝗻-𝗶𝗺𝗺𝗶𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗕 𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗮 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻 𝗕𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗸𝗼𝗸
That totally depends on your EMPLOYER and whether they can meet the requirements to get the in country Non-B visa for you at the immigration office where you work/live.
AND
if you have enough days left on your current entry stamp to allow time for the processing of the in country Non-Imm visa. Most offices require a minimum of 15 days left on your current stamp (chiang mai requires 21) to apply for any in country Non-Immigrant type visa. That's because it goes under review for 2 weeks and you need to have days left on your stamp to stay during that time so you can go back and get the visa inked in.

𝗠𝘆 𝘄𝗶𝗳𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗸𝗶𝗱 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗯𝗲 𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗡𝗼𝗻 𝗜𝗺𝗺𝗶𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗢 𝗗𝗲𝗽𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗩𝗶𝘀𝗮.
MANY offices make you get the Non-B 90 day visa, then the year extension BEFORE they allow dependents (spouse, children) to get their Non-O visa issued. BUT that is something you need to check with the employer (they should know) or the immigration office you deal with.     

𝗜𝘀 𝗶𝘁 𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝗡𝗼𝗻 𝗶𝗺𝗺𝗶𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗮 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗻 𝗧𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗩𝗶𝘀𝗮 𝗼𝗿 𝗜 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗹𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝘆 𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗲/𝗻𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝘆.
It might be possible, but the people you need to really talk to are the employer, AND the immigration office you use. You might not have to go back to your country to get the 90 day Non-B visa (although if you did that you could get Non-O visas for your spouse and children at the same time) but you might have to go to a nearby thai consulate and get it. It's down to the employer

Just now, charleskerins said:

So if iIdid 90 day extensions that were approved with my address will copies of that suffice when I renew 1 year retirement?

As a rule no, you're confusing 90 day reporting <- which has nothing to do with TM30 other than the addresses cross check with a TM30 receipt. 

Sadly, the TM30 system is NOT intuitive nor foreign user friendly.

I cannot stress enough that people need to go thru the USER GUIDE (english version is available)

Also there are you-tube videos out that walk you thru it step by step if you search for them. 

TM30 ENGLISH USER GUIDE

 

3 hours ago, SenorTashi said:

I'm leaving Thailand with 2 months anyway so am I likely to get fined on the way out?

I'm on a retirement visa so I dont need to extend it.

The people at passport control when you stamp out don't care if you ever filed a TM30 or did a 90 day report 
That's not their job, they just stamp you out and let you leave

12 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

Just to be clear, 2,000 Baht is the minimum fine.

If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying the Immigration Bureau later than the set period, a fine of 2,000.- Baht will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 5,000.- Baht.

Careful quoting things out of context
IF a foreigner is arrested for something else and it comes out they didn't file a 90 day report they CAN be fined 5000baht
BUT
That's only if they run off the rails with some other thing.

I know people who pay the 2000baht late filing fine, file ONE 90 day report just before their yearly extension is due, then never file another report the rest of the year, and the following year, pay the 2000baht, file, get their extension. I saw a passport with years worth of 2000baht fine stamps and year extensions, page after page.

While I am not advocating people don't do the 90 day reporting the fine is static <-meaning it's 2000baht whether you're 8 days late or 8 months late  

Just so everyone is clear what you want from the new TM30 system.

There is no b/s screen grab like we used to have to do on the old TM30 system once it was filed 

This new system lets you log in, select the address, fill out the info to file a TM30, save the data, search for the data, recall it, and EXPORT it <-which gives a PDF file showing a TM30 was filed.  Now you can even search for a previously filed TM30 for up to 15 days (before it was only a week)

This is what you want from your hotel, landlord, if you use the system yourself, at the end of the day THIS is your proof you filed a TM30 

Personally I would get them both tourist visas (TR60) from the thai consulate in your home country before you wing your way here

That gives you all 60 days when you show up (with the option to get a 30 day extension for 1900baht at the immigration office if you need more time), which should be plenty of time for you to get the documentation from the school, get the daughter enrolled, get her to the immigration office apply for the ED visa.

Most offices require a minimum of 15 days left on your current stamp to do in country conversions from visa exempt or tourist visa entries to a 90 day Non-Immigrant type visa (Chiang Mai requires you have 21 days or more left on the stamp (actually 15 business days but that's about 21 real days) 

Once you get here get the bank account open in your wife's name and get the 500K baht in it. She should be able to apply for the 90 day Non-O visa based on being the parent of a child on an ED visa once your child actually GETS the ED visa <-some offices make the parent wait until the child has the year extension AFTER the initial 90 day ED visa before they can get the 90 day Non-O so check with your office to see how they do it.

The good news is the 500K baht only needs to be "seasoned" in the account for 30 days for the first yearly extension based on parent of a foreign child AND most offices will let you apply for the initial 90 day Non-Imm type O visa just by showing the 500K is in the account (no seasoning required for the initial 90 day visa)   

35 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

So this supercedes the 2020 regulation saying nto necessary to file TM30 if returning to your usual address?/

correct, at this time with the two systems interlinked and cross checking addresses IF you stay some place where you're registered in the system and don't re-file a new TM30 when you go back to your primary address, you'll get rejected because the last address you were registered in the TM30 system is the place you stayed not your primary residence.

We're seeing hundreds of people getting rejected for their 90 day reporting for trying to do it online after returning from abroad, AND from the mismatch of them staying some place in country where they were registered and not refiling after they got home

30 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

@Tod Daniels

I have always been able to do TM30 online (registered a few years  ago) but now when I use this link it takes me directly to the "search" page rather than the page for making a new report.

 

Immediately after entering the captcha I'm at https://tm30.immigration.go.th/tm30/#/external/ifa/search

 

If I try to change that to https://tm30.immigration.go.th/tm30/#/external/ifa/

then I get a page requiring me to enter the name and ID of a "juristic person" (no such, it is my own home)

 

Any idea what to do/what I am doing wrong?

 

 

 

that you registered a few years ago doesn't count, you need to make a NEW registration in this new system using the "register" tab AND by reading the user manual

you can select you're thai or a foreigner to register in the new system

Now that the TM30 system AND the TM47 (90 day online system) cross check each other it seems more and more offices are requiring that you file a NEW TM30 when you return to thailand from abroad.

Also the online system was recently updated and HUNDREDS of people have been denied 90 day online with the rejection reason "First 90 day report after returning from abroad must be made in person" and when those people were doing their 90 day report they were asked for a new TM30 😕 

It would appear they want everyone on the NEW TM30 system <- the one where you file, then can export the PDF file that shows you have a TM30 filed.

They were sending people away who had the old "screen grabs" from the previous TM30 system and telling them to register in the new system, file and print that PDF

Which looks like this

1 hour ago, Angus55 said:

Id say a Bk Kl return .

careful broad brushing like that Angus55 😮 there are a LOT of people pulled aside at BOTH Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi who entered by air, took their two 30 day land bounces, thought they'd fly out an back by air only to get denied entry and shipped out.
PLUS the O/P said they are in CHIANG MAI 😉 

In theory the way that works is you get your new passport and you go to the immigration office that issued the extension to move the stamps BEFORE you wing your way out of the country.
 

I know if you have a multi-entry VISA <- that you got from a thai consulate you show both passports when you exit/re-enter (because they can't move a visa to a new passport)
BUT
you don't have a visa, you have a yearly extension w/re-entry permit and I don't believe you can fly out showing both passports when you have a year extension/re-entry permit in the old one, (although I freely admit I could be wrong).

The government complex station is a semi shaded ten minute walk from CW 😮 
Actually you can walk to the mouth of Chaengwattana Soi 7 and catch the free shuttle busses that run and take you to the north entrance of building B

The shuttle bus station is right after the moto guyz at the mouth of C/W Soi 7 <- the entrance soi to the gov't complex

Another way to get there is to take the BTS to Wat Phra Sri Mahathat and then instead of switching to the pink line just go out exit 1 take a taxi for 50 baht to the door of Building B

We're seeing more and more visa run companies put up notices on their websites that they won't run to Savannakhet anymore

It seems FEW people are actually getting the available bookings which come up at between 12 and 2 am every day. Plus they only let you book 14 days in advance so tonight when the open up the 27th will be the only day that opens.

There does appear to be a few companies that are able to get bookings for Savannakhet though

Sadly because Savannakhet went to 400K baht in a thai bank account for 2 months before you apply for the year/multi-Non-O based on marriage AND went to 3 day processing (2 business days after the day you apply) there's almost no advantage to go there, you might as well go to Vientiane, and it's way easier to get appts there

 

You shouldn't have any issue bouncing out and back at 6PM using the Nong Khai Friendship bridge with Lao.