sumrit

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

We had one mentioned a few times in this topic already: Domestic flights

Already mentioned and discussed previously. Try again or are you going to say 'WITH A DIFFERENT AIRLINE' next time and count it again????????? ????     

How about sending an EMS LETTER abroad from a Thai post office. To do this you need to show ID. Pink ID cards are accepted but TDL's are not.                           

1 hour ago, Max69xl said:

you're correct, in many places in several provinces,the pink ID-card is almost useless because authorities and banks etc doesn't accept them.

I haven't heard of banks accepting them for opening an account. Maybe out in the sticks somewhere.

Some posters think it's cool to have a pink ID-card. Go figure. ????

I've opened a bank account using just my yellow book and pink ID Card twice in the last couple of years, once at Krung Thai and once at Thanachart. And they were both in Central Plaza in Chonburi. And Chonburi is hardly in the sticks is it.????

I also opened an account at the Bangkok Bank in Si Racha in January this year and they accepted my yellow book and pink ID. Unlike other banks BKKB need extra info. If I'd had a work permit that was all they needed. Because I'm retired they needed a letter from the British Embassy. I used the last proof of income letter from the BE last December and, because that letter had my passport number on it they needed my passport. As they explained, not for my personal ID but to prove the letter was genuine and had the same number as my passport.

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

You got this wrong, i didn't say the card is worthless. I just say what you said regarding the benefits of this card is wrong.

99% of people who get the pink id card have a Thai driving license already, so when we talk about benefits of the pink id card we should compare it to the driving license.

All benefits which you have mentioned so far are offered with a Thai driving license as well.

 

According to sumrit you can get a driving license with the pink id card and open a bank account. Here i agree that this is not possible with a driving license and we can consider this a benefit.

Any other tasks which are officially possible with a pink id card but not with a driving license?

As I've said to you before, It's the CONVENIENCE of using a pink card and yellow book that make their use worthwhile.

I'm sure you've read many of  different ID card uses on the numerous threads that have surfaced on TV over the last couple of years or so. Just read back over them. But I'll name one you can't use a TDL for if you can reply with one you can use a TDL but can't use a pink card/yellow book. (driving a car legally doesn't count 55555).

You can register a sim card using a pink card.

7 minutes ago, OJAS said:

In which case, individual soldiers & BIB officers, banks, post offices, hotels, hospitals and everyone else who might ask you for ID would presumably need to be armed with electronic readers in order to access the latest info on the smart card? 

Maybe a simple QR symbol on the card with 1-2-3 stage information/protection, or something similar, that can be accessed via an authorised reader or smart phone would be all what was needed.

Not difficult or complicated. Think about with a positive rather than negative mind for a few minutes. 

1 minute ago, OJAS said:

Presumably a fresh card would be required for each fresh permission to stay?

Would be ideal for people on annual extensions.

A smart card would only need to be updated electronically, not replaced, and could include much more data.

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I am simply stating what is printed on the card.

 

We are all agreed that this generic card does have some unstated restrictions on unspecified immigrants but, here's the rub...

 

These are not printed on the card.

Show me one single card (you used your bank card as an example in your post) that has all terms and conditions printed on the card. 

As an example my bank card shows a symbol to say I can use it anywhere showing a visa card symbol but it doesn't say on the card that I must have sufficient funds in my account to do so, It says that elsewhere, in the terms and conditions

7 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It is most definitely NOT "valid all over Thailand". My out-of-province bank knocked it back as photo ID in favour of my Thai DL.

So you've finally met a bank teller who doesn't know or understand the terms and conditions or requirements ............. congratulations 5555

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Probably. But we are talking about what is printed on what appears to be a generic, one-size-fits-all pink ID card.

................with the full terms and conditions held elsewhere because, like all credit size/style cards, they can't fit every bit of information onto the card.

4 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Doesn't matter. You will still be charged double for everything.

You will maybe............For the rest of us we get charged the Thai price by using our ID Cards. 

3 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Are they sufficient for address purposes when buying a vehicle ?

Yes, the yellow book proves residence, the pink card proves ID. ????

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It is in deed only valid in the Amphoe that issued it and I need a permit to travel outside that amphoe.

I believe that only applies to stateless people who have no other form of travel document.

This may or may not be of interest. Ubonjoe sent it to me when I was querying something about the pink card. It's all written it Thai but basically confirms who is and who isn't entitled to apply for a card and what the rules are. Sorry, I've lost the English translation a friend did for me.

foreigner ID CardDOPA Manual - Civil Registration and Nationality.pdf

17 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Small point, for many PR holders their name is in the dark blue household registration book (tabien baan book). 

Yes, PR holders are in the blue Tabien Baan, but, included on their individual details page, as well as their name etc. is their own personal Thai ID number. 

PR holders can't have a Thai ID card but, if they want a pink ID card instead their ID number is taken from their page in the blue Tabien Baan.

10 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

My Pink ID card & Tax number are different.

I can't comment on that then, mine's the same. 

My daughter is studying Thai Law at University and the Thai ID number and it's uses was part of a project they were studying recently. She insists the same number is always used for ID and Tax purposes. 

56 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Most people are aware that the ID number comes from the yellow book and is repeated on the Pink ID. So any reference to a pink ID is including the yellow book that it came from.

When renewing a Thai Driving licence, if you use the yellow book instead of a residence certificate from immigration for proof of residence and the pink ID card instead of your passport for ID purposes your Thai ID number will be also be printed on your licence instead of your passport number.

2 hours ago, drbeach said:

OK that is good to know. Having said that Thais never need to prove their nationality when they go to a national park in order to avail themselves of the Thai price. i guess you are referring to checking into hotels (can be done with a driver's license too), making transactions and anywhere that ID is requested but a passport and visa not expressly required

You can't use a Thai Driving Licence to open a bank account, register a sim card renew a driving licence or (if you include a yellow book) prove your address when extending your stay with Immigration and buy a car/motorcycle to same just a few of many examples.

Foreigners don't need to prove their Nationality either. The Pink ID Card and yellow Tabien Baan are a more convenient option when needing to prove Identification and Official Residence.

When going to National Parks a lot (but not all) will give the Thai price on production of a pink ID card. Personally I've only been refused once, at the sea world centre in Bang Saen, Chonburi. Getting the Thai price very rarely happens when showing a TDL. But non Thais who look Thai (almost) always get in for the Thai price because they're never asked for ID.

Fewer and fewer hotels are accepting TDL's when checking in these days but, up till now, my ID card has always been accepted. That could change in the future though.

3 minutes ago, drbeach said:

Although the pink ID card doesn't do much (for anyone) it would be good if it could be issued to everyone and made more useful than it currently is.

For those of us who already have one, we probably use it almost as much as a Thai National does. It's certainly more readily recognised and accepted now than is was a few years ago.

Ask your wife/partner how often she's needed to use hers in the past and what she needed it for then ask yourself how much that compares with you using the foreigner version and what you would use it for. My daughter did this exercise at University and compared herself, my wife and me. The amount we each used them and what we used them for were similar for each of us. 

No 5, if they want physical proof, maybe a copy of your wife's ID card or Tabien Baan, which you may already be supplying anyway 

Surely No 7 is proof of your home address in the UK, eg: a copy of a utility bill.

24 minutes ago, elviajero said:

There is a plan to introduce ID style cards to expats which will include their visa status etc. No idea when that’ll happen as it’s been talked about for ages, but IMO it would be a better option than the pink ID card that isn’t really meant for expat use.

Got to agree with that. Would be a very good move.......if it ever gets off the ground.

Do Thai Nationals have a separate Tax ID Card or do they just show their ID Card and/or Tabien Baan?

Just asked my daughter and she says Thais just use their ID card, they don't have a separate Tax card. 

So foreigners who have a pink ID card would do the same. Your Thai ID number is also your Tax Number so any foreigner who has a Thai ID number would use that for tax purposes.

5 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

17 hours ago, Edheres said:

and you forget that your Multiple Re-entry Stamp expired

what does this mean?

It probably means he being economical with the truth/facts to try and gain some sympathy.????

As a multiple re-entry permit would be valid for the length of his extension, because it had expired, his extension would also have expired, it wouldn't have been voided because of the lack of a multi re-entry permit.