saeb

Just a thought ..the people with "innovative" ideas are not likely to share them with the public.

As the economy seems to be going down the tubes, power stations unable to meet demand, and the rising oil price - this is a sure fire profit maker

hey, great idea...lets import a few cheap used ones from the UK and open a shop here! it might be the next big hit ...wouldn't surprise me. we could even market them as the next generation typewriter ...save electricity, save money!

Ah, a chap after my own heart!. We could market as the 'green' solution, the 'retro office look'.

Better still, we open a typing school so that the purchasers of said typography implement could have their very own secretary to accept dictation.

This then would allow them to stride around their front room making vitally important ideolgical statements in preparation for becoming an M.P.

Our tame M.P. would award us the contract to supply these to all government depts., within Thailand at vastly inflated cost.

It's a winner for sure..................................

Just out of curiosity I searched for the topic that has generated more responses in tv but I wasn't able to find anything that beats RAIN..... with 2150,,,,anyone ever had the same curiosity?

No.

Ac-chool-aly.....the only Brits who I know who have chosen to go and live in Pattaya were gents of a certain age who have serious problems dealing with women as anything but other than sex objects.

They have had an inability to form any form of relationship with a woman without an overt sexual content and indeed, had explored such countries as Brazil and Sri-Lanka before latching on to Pattaya. They have personal income, mostly made in insurance, and properties that were left to them by now dead parents and sold to fund their lifestyles.

When at home in Blighty they bore everyone and their dog about Thailand this and Thailand that.

But, ask then to ask directions for a bus in Thai?.

(Not that difficult really, is it?).

A good look at the demographics of Pattaya would show that there are a great deal of the foreign poulation who are not there for beaches, exercise, culture, or have any interest in any other than cheap women.

I would garner a guess that my demographic map would be in the thai expression, "Unusually rich in podgy fat old ######s attached to girls old enough to be their daughters, or granddaughters".

Pattaya is known as a world centre for sex tourism and that is the way it is because that is what it is.

Ask a Thai.................................

Wow, what an impassioned rant!

Saeb, I hope this helps...

A pretty specific rant at that.

Now let's see.

They have had an inability to form any form of relationship with a woman without an overt sexual content.... Well, there must be quite a few who would fit this description - in fact I doubt there's many farangs in Pattaya who don't.

gents of a certain age who have serious problems dealing with women as anything but other than sex objects. Hm.. yes, there must be plenty of those, I reckon.

are not there for beaches, exercise, culture, or have any interest in any other than cheap women. Yes.. plenty of those too..

Unusually rich in podgy fat old ######s attached to girls old enough to be their daughters, or granddaughters .. Many will also fit this catagory....

When at home in Blighty they bore everyone and their dog about Thailand this and Thailand that.... and no doubt this one too...

had explored such countries as Brazil and Sri-Lanka before latching on to Pattaya. ... Now you're narrowing the field down a bit.

They have personal income, mostly made in insurance, and properties that were left to them by now dead parents and sold to fund their lifestyles.... . and getting real specific.

So, you're talking about someone, who:

Is not interested in platonic relationships

Regards Thai women as very sexy.

Likes to get a good deals when paying for their nightly escorts.

Bring lots of money to Thailand, are amply proportioned, and has a preference for non- middle aged women.

Talks about how wonderful Thailand is when when back in England

Can't speak Thai

Has previously lived in Brazil and Sri Lanka

His personal income comes from insurance and property which was bequeathed to him by his deceased parents.

I wonder what you've got against this guy? What did he do to you to provoke such a tirade of jealousy and pique?

And what's it all got to do with some poor YOUNG guy killing himself?

It seems like every thread now contains vicious attacks on the residents of Pattya by the likes of you and Maig6.

Why don't you start a "I hate Pattaya" forum" and you can post invective to your heart's content.

No - I am in no way speaking about a particular individual. Merely a cross section of folks that I have met who choose to have made their nest in Pattaya. Now, this is really going to annoy a lot of readers : Most of these seem to be people that cannot cut it in any society that they cannot buy.

In no way am I having a go at Pattaya, personally I can't stand the place but it exists and it exists to make Thais money.

Many years ago I told a guy - of a certain age and who had been a tourist of the sex variety to many countries- that when the hook was got in in Pattaya then they'd use him up and spit him out.

A good friend who was born and bred in Pattaya tried also to convince him that it was a wrong choice.

Said chap lost the lot and now relies on benefits back in the U.K.

Pattaya exists on prostitution - that is the whole raison de etre and be honest, if there were no tarts there then how many visitors would actually visit the place?.

I am no moralist for goodness sakes but the majority of retired 'gentlemen' are not in Pattaya out of any interest in Thailand or for Thailand. They are buying pussy full stop.

Another interesting aside (bound to annoy some members!), is that these chaps that I speak of have had considerable difficulties in forming any long term relationships with women - whether that be as friends, confidants, or in a professional sense. (Non whoring).

A shrink would have a field day for a Thesis in Pattaya.

Yup - I'm back in the U.K. for the moment - see you all at the end of May, but not in Pattaya.

The seafood is much better in Hoi Lot

Just a thought ..the people with "innovative" ideas are not likely to share them with the public.

As the economy seems to be going down the tubes, power stations unable to meet demand, and the rising oil price - this is a sure fire profit maker

...The trouble with books about Thailand is that people actually believe the crap which appears in novel or short story form. I mean, how many 'spies' have you met loitering around Nana or Patpong?.

Exactly the same number that I've met in London. So I gather that means that John Le Carre just writes a lot of crap, huh? Gee, I never looked at it that way.

Sorry, I think perhaps I didn't clarify the point:

Personally I have never met anyone who claimed to be a spy in the U.K. - but I sure have met a few hanging around bars in BKK.

It is a bit a of a laugh to meet people who seem to relive whatever is the latest bestselling 'action' book in whatever airport they departed from.

When that number came out about the SAS getting stiffed in Iraq, Bravo 2-0, the amount of guys I met who were 'members' of the SAS who suddenly appeared in BKK was quite surprising.

Hereford must have been half empty........

And, personally, I thought that the SAS would have known that it gets terribly cold in the desert at night. Terrestrial radiation don't cha' know.

John Le Carre is a brilliant writer - Little Drummer Girl is one of my favourite books and I think particularly pertinent in our present times.

However, spies are a pretty low life form on the evolutionary ladder and generally don't advertise the fact of what their job description involves.

It's a wonder so many people still stay at the DayNight 2 hotel. Almost every room has the angry spirits of dead people. Good news is, no one has died there in almost 2 months !

(do angry spirits have an expiry date ?)

Perhaps it's only the girls who are superstitious.......and I doubt that too many DayNight lodgers are interested in the female variety of night time company.

Mighty Mouse, you're wrong mate, Toursits come to Pattaya for the easy laid back lifestyle, clean seas, immaculate beaches and Traffic free roads, the way you talk, everybody ( except you and the other members of the pattaya forum) is a sex tourist. Please refrain from making Pattaya appear to be a venue for sex tourists, you will give the wrong impression about Pattaya.

Ac-chool-aly.....the only Brits who I know who have chosen to go and live in Pattaya were gents of a certain age who have serious problems dealing with women as anything but other than sex objects.

They have had an inability to form any form of relationship with a woman without an overt sexual content and indeed, had explored such countries as Brazil and Sri-Lanka before latching on to Pattaya. They have personal income, mostly made in insurance, and properties that were left to them by now dead parents and sold to fund their lifestyles.

When at home in Blighty they bore everyone and their dog about Thailand this and Thailand that.

But, ask then to ask directions for a bus in Thai?.

(Not that difficult really, is it?).

A good look at the demographics of Pattaya would show that there are a great deal of the foreign poulation who are not there for beaches, exercise, culture, or have any interest in any other than cheap women.

I would garner a guess that my demographic map would be in the thai expression, "Unusually rich in podgy fat old ######s attached to girls old enough to be their daughters, or granddaughters".

Pattaya is known as a world centre for sex tourism and that is the way it is because that is what it is.

Ask a Thai.................................

Do you know what bars he frequents?

I find the best way to find someone is to wait in one of their locals and they usually turn up.

One small problem with this, I live in Aussie

Warbs

WAIT. Pound to a penny if he is a habitual Pattaya resident you will bump into him one night on the piss. When you are there.

Hi all.

I wish to return to Thailand but having experienced the Teacher cattlemarket I am looking for ideas to set up a business. I'm not looking to make millions (would be nice though) but just want to make survival money for me, my Thai wife and baby.

I' looking realistically to earn about 30-40 thousand baht per month after the initial setting up of the business.

Any ideas for a business would be welcome.

Obviously have my own ideas that I'm considering but always welcome imput from others.

Thanks

Slippery......

Two laws of business:

1. If you have an idea don't tell any bugger in Thailand.

2. If anyone offers you a business proposition it is because they have failed at it or are after an angle for some of your loot.

Best way is to have a skill or knoweldge that cannot be exploited.

In my case it is the ICAO.

Cheers,

Following on from a disaffected poster who wishes to return from whence he came, it occurs to me that there may be more folk who would like to quit the LoS if they could but cannot for whatever reason.

Assuming the windfall was yours, where would you like to be and why ?

Thailand is hardly a cultural mecca, its climate is challenging and its people are exasperating to the point where most, given the chance, would gladly be rid.

Would you choose to remain in differing circumstances or would you decamp. The world is your lobster so choose.......

Or does the LoS meet your needs?

Easy peasy guv'r - in my room in my house in the village with a pile of books and unlimited wine cellar and an open phone to the three women who are my friends!. I'd throw me Mum's cat a kipper now and then, (partial to a kipper now and then is the cat), and get a lawyer to write letters to my ex-(Thai) wife saying, 'You gave it your best shot - tough titty fish face-should have listened to sense instead of idiots'

I have the money now and whilst I love Thailand greatly - I also like where I live.

And the cat likes a bit of kipper now and then

It always happens on any thread about books that have anything at all to do with Thailand. Absolutely always.

I've said before that I thought it more than passing strange that Thailand evokes such emotional reponses in many people -- both favororable ones and unfavorable ones -- that any comment on actual words that have been published about this place always triggers a holy war. Can you imagine people rushing to pee on each other over what their favorite books are about, say, Los Angeles?

Once I started a thread on why the mere mention of the words 'Bangkok' and 'books' in the same sentence caused such emotional responses, but it became such a slanging match ('You're a liar! You never read that book! You don't know anything!') that some moderator shut it down. Good Lord.

Books can be an emotive subject - depending on the content and folks point of view.

The Little Red Book and Das Kapital tending to polarise viewpoints which eventually led to bloodshed. (For example).

The trouble with books about Thailand is that people actually believe the crap which appears in novel or short story form. I mean, how many 'spies' have you met loitering around Nana or Patpong?. "I am that book".

Once talked to a couple of guys in a bar in Sconnie Botland who were of the opinion that Thailand was about the size of Singapore and was basically comprised of one street called Patpong.

They read it in a book...........they said.

Kafka - essential reading before disembarkation at Don Muang.

Look at Siam Smile/s by Hugh Watson.

I admit, the cover is dumb, but the text is informative, funny and right on the mark.

Cover is dumb and so is the text, and so are its admirers

32 posts in less than 27 days, mostly derogatory to other members.

You've had one public warning for flaming.

Lighten up or you can look forward to a holiday.

udon.

Moderator

Brilliant innit?. From a query about what to read to guerilla warfare in a matter of days!.

Different people have different choices about what to read and choose to read.

After all, I may think that someones wife is ugly but it is not my place to say so- after all it is his choice. I believe that people actually BOUGHT Jeffery Archer's books and that takes some explaining!.

Anyone remember when Sid the Sexist (Viz mag) went on holiday to BKK?.

Brilliant!!.

I'll try and dig it out and forward it if anyone wants it.

One notes that in todays BKK Post another former (and very rich) policeman is returning to politics.

One who's sons demonstrate the grace, generosity and decency of the Thai nation.

It's the Chalerm roadshow.

His platform is 90% different from TRT - we await with bated breath just what this means!.

Do you have a link for the article about the distinguished gentleman?

What's the name of the Party he's establishing?

The Thai (fill in the blank) Party

T'was in Mondays Bangkok Post online. Forgot the name - it's Tuesday evening now.

NEPBUTS maybe. 'New Everything Party But All The Same'.

Anyone play cribbage?.

The chap yesterday who knows the woman who felt the overpowering urge to copulate with a guitarist in Patpong. Was it voodoo?. Was it hypnosis?. Was it trollazepan?.

This just popped into my mailbox :

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So what are you waiting for:

http://www.powerseduction.vdirect.com

from fmmjuu@hotmail if you want to block it.

I'm off to hypnotise myself and see if I will give meself a payrise.

I would really think that in order to quantify a 'good book' about Thailand we would need to know what the poster actually wants to read:

Novels?. Pretty much the same really - murder - drugs - supersmart foreigner.

Or ; - girlies - sucker foreigner- death.

Travel books seem to be all much the same.

Non fiction is a different ball game altogether as anything that may seem to be deemed as critical to Thailand is difficult to get hold of in country.

I have an interesting one upstairs which I bought in the U.K. - it's a bit banal but when the author actually gets into the roots of where the teak forests went and who got the money it hits the nail on the head. Whilst the info is widely known in Thailand it is a case of selective amnesia when it comes to pointing fingers.

(Thailand The Last Domino by Richard West)

I stick with Alice Through the Looking Glass or even better perhaps - anything by Robert A Heinlein.

I think that for any newbie wanting an informative text of what to expect in LOS would be

'Alice Through the Looking Glass'.

The point will become apparent after a few months.........

How the times have indeed changed..

Well, they have indeed and a great thing to finish your night with a breakfast around 6:00 am.

Than, of course, in Bangkok one has an excuse for an early night home.

Bring back the old Thermae - staggering out into blinding light at 6.30am.....Ouch.

Strangely, I never once saw David Attenborough in there with a film crew.

Could've topped the ratings with a that one.

One notes that in todays BKK Post another former (and very rich) policeman is returning to politics.

One who's sons demonstrate the grace, generosity and decency of the Thai nation.

It's the Chalerm roadshow.

His platform is 90% different from TRT - we await with bated breath just what this means!.

Im bullet proof

Molotov cocktail?.

Depeleted uranium?.

My death ray machine? (patent pending).

That's a great idea In that way they can head butt and demolish the slums around the base of the tower.

could be a new extreme sport - you dive off with your bungy attached and attempt to snatch the chicken bone out of the mouth of the soi dog .

Or beer from folks looking the other way for a mo'.

I hope they get through so we get to spank their bottom. BTW girls, friendlies don't count

Well, England cannot possibly win. They've got the excuses made already:

Rooney owes a bookie a few bob.

And the captain suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder.

I just have to crack up at that : " Sir, he can't play, he can't play, he ties his laces left over right and not right over left........".

Cameroon anybody?.

If you think that's going to be a tough one, try explaining Intelligent Design....

Gave up on that years ago!!

Logic is a case in point : A while back my (ex) missus said she wanted one of these things that you stand on when you get out of the shower. Don't know what you call it - wooden slats raised off the floor.

She wanted to go and buy one ; Now we had lots of old shelving and stuff lying around so, I grabbed a saw, a drill and a bunch of screws.

One hour (and three glasses of wine) later eureka!. A thingy to stand on after a shower.

It took a little time to explain that in Oxford on a Sunday morning to drive to B&Q, park the car, go round the store, queue for checkout, get out of the car park and drive home would have taken at least 2 hours plus the cost of the thing + petrol.

She seemed amazed at the concept, but maybe that's Ayhuttahya folks for you.........

To refine my original post : As I read it, only creatures with souls can be reincarnated under Bhuddist belief. Does a fish or a dog or an elephant or a wasp have a soul?.

To kill living things is a sin therefore these things must have souls. Right?.

Or am I missing something here?. (apart from anything else better to do!).

I've just finished a discussion with the lovely Tiki about evolution and how does that contradict or is applicable to Buddist belief in the concept of reincarnation.

To be honest, it is a conversation that I have had with a number of Thais over the years, some of whom are well travelled and understanding of other cultures, but all of whom have had the benefit of a decent education and are in my opinion, intelligent people.

The root point always comes down to if we are part of an evolutionary train starting from say, single cell amoeba, how does that interact with a belief that we are of a higher plane than animals or insects.

And as such if a single cell organism or maybe a fish has no sense of right or wrong how then could we have evolved into our present state with a sense of reincarnation?.

Was then the concept only introduced as a result of our ability to develop imagination?.

If so, what came before?.

Or is it a selective process only applicable to humans?.

Any ideas?.

New spot for jumpers?

My thoughts exactly. This could be the Premier No 1 site. Will they install nets around the base of every floor?.

Teen motorcycle gangs again?

Maybe a deadlier songkran activity?. (Revenge of " irate from Sattahip after a facefull of ice cubes")