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14 minutes ago, brianj1964 said:I do not read Thai but have since spoken with people who do and they have all said the translation clearly stated visas applied and issued after 31st October required insurance. I applied for mine in mid October and valid from 15th October, possibly the IO who stamped me in took the same iterpretation, i don't know
did the original order state it was people who enter after 31st October? It seems that some IOS took that from the order, I've PMd a couple of senior BMs who have extensive knowledge of visas and Thailand, both say I have no problem "in their opinion" when I exit in 12 months time, given the error was theirs, I arrived with a valid visa. I am quite confident they probably won't even notice, time will tell but I value your opinion
The order makes no mention of people entering after the 31st October. The date of the 31st October only pertains to the start of legislation for entrys and for the application of new OA applications. Hence why it is being applied to ALL OA entry's and extensions of OA visas, no matter when that original visa was obtained.
In the case of 'given the error was theirs' it is imperative that you understand why section 4 is written in to the order.
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2 hours ago, brianj1964 said:
I will take the chance that a land border crossing won't be too stringent when I leave to to obtain the non-immigrant O when this O-A expires
You seem very certain you was entered in to the Immigration database with a leave to remain date of 12 months, when the I/O's in front of you told you 30 days? IMO, you have a stamping error in your passport.
And why you would think a land crossing would be any different in applying the Police order regarding an O-A visa, I really cannot begin to imagine. That just isn't going to happen.-
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2 hours ago, brianj1964 said:
When I entered yesterday and started this thread, he told me the O-A wasn't valid without insurance he told me he would allow me in for 30 days to obtain insurance, I presume he meant a 30 day tourist visa , he told me to buy insurance and go back to immigration, he never said I had to leave and come back nor did he say he would deduct 30 days from my O-A. When I went back in the line to get the passport stamped by a different IO she gave me the year, I have to presume I was lucky or she made an error
Sorry to rain on your parade but you are aware of Section 4 in the police order and how it pertains to entry's in the case of your scenario? Immigration have covered themselves against a mistake of giving you a longer period of stay than they should of given. You are wide open. If at a later date and for some reason it is seen that you should never of been stamped in for 12 months, the stamp and period of stay is reversed to what it of should been. You could very easily find yourself on overstay. The Onus is on you to be certain of being stamped in correctly.
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Unless your insurance is listed in this database, you won't be getting any O-A visas, extensions of them or entry's at Immigration. with said visa or extension. How hard is it to understand?
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8 minutes ago, Max69xl said:That's bs. Why do you think people using the >800k in the bank method can't go below 400k since March 1? Do you think it's a coincidence that the minimum coverage for the insurance is 400k? People on O-A Visas don't need 1 bath in the bank,while people with the O Visa with extension normally have a lot of money in the bank. Plus, many of them already have insurances. I bet this never occurred to you.
Really? Can you explain why O-X visa holders need an initial 3 million baht in a bank account allowing a withdrawal down to but not less than 1.5 million baht and still require Health Insurance? And please, this very much 'All occurs to me'.
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25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:Again you refuse to answer my direct question.
Because of that I advise readers to await reports that are backed up better than your unsubstantiated insinuations.
So you will refute once again what I post and not make your own enquiry? You can at least now begin to understand why people that do have good information mostly cannot be bothered to post.
No matter, it changes nothing.
Good night-
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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:Hmm.
You DID NOT answer my question!
Come on now. THIS IS SERIOUS.
You claimed people doing retirement extensions with original O-A visa at Jomtien are NOW being denied for lack of health insurance.
I ask you to expand on how you know that is actually happening, and you don't answer.
That is very fishy. So either be more specific about your actual direct knowledge of these denials or admit you are writing fiction.
If you don't believe me, either go there and ask or call them. I've no reason to tell you otherwise. It isn't only happening in Jomtien.
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2 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:"
yes but unfortunately even the Thais will have to ask or address the question, why require long stay OA to have insurance but not require long stay O to have insurance? Both are long stay and for so called "risky" expats. If the Thais are willing to dismiss the equivalence of O and OA, then the only reason left is the insurance ploy is a pure money grab scheme, and they get foreigner's money before they even leave their home countries. Of course Thai Saving face mentality would never admit to such a thing if it were true. Sadly, I predict O or any long term visa or extension will require Thai insurance soon. The only reason that may not happen is because there may be an uproar from the local Thais that depend on the foreigners and expats for support, marriage, children raising etc. If insurance becomes draconian, well the expats may have to leave.
This is only the curtain raiser, not the Grand Finale. It is coming to all long term extensions. Remember where you heard it first.
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13 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:
I don't think canceling the insurance to "save" money would ever really work or even be possible. All the tgia policies I saw required the user to pay the annual premium up front. There is no rebate or pro-rating if later one decides they do not want the insurance or want to cancel the insurance.
People once again, posted their fantasy work around's all over the Internet. They have put stop to their ideas.
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16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:This is news I think.
So you know for a fact Jomtien is now requiring (Thai) health insurance for annual retirement extensions when the original visa was O-A? Really? How do you know that?
If so, so those with original visa O are not having that issue?
I know the same way as I have been telling you since the published police order that it was going to apply to any O-A extension, no matter when the original O-A was issued. It's there in the police order. Some just refused to accept it and put there own interpretation on it.
No, it doesn't apply to Non O visas or extensions pertained from a Non O visa. It only apply's to 0-A visas or extensions of, past, present and future.
Right on key, we have another denial here. Post 112-
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If anybody is thinking of getting Health Insurance and then cancelling it once you have the visa, then best to think again. They already have that scenario covered. Plenty of denials in Jomtien, Thursday and Friday attempting renewed extensions on previously obtained O-A visas, some dating back years and years.
Just as a few of us told you it would be. No Thai Insurance (They are not accepting Insurance obtained outside of Thailand) then you are sent away and told to buy Insurance.
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2 hours ago, CliffH said:
Having logged on and off the E-Visa website numerous times over the last week, in order to try to find a way to progress past step 3 without being greeted with the "Access is invalid, please try again" screen, I now find I'm greeted with "Information. Exceeded maximum number of applications (10 applications)" when attempting to log in. Can someone
help please? Messages left on the website have, so far, been ignored.
The system has locked you out on suspicion of attempting to hack the system. You need to contact Bangkok immigration via the link in the E visa website. Until you are unlocked you cannot use the application.
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16 minutes ago, Mango Bob said:
Can anyone point out where they see on the police order that it applies to those who are on an extension of stay prior to 31 Oct 19.
As I and others have continued to tell you, it doesn't. People got fixated on the 31st October which is simply a start date for the legislation. The order mentions no date of when the O-A visa was obtained which lead to past and present extensions.
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Just now, EVENKEEL said:
I'll continue playing outside till the sky falls.
Yes of course. I am sure you will be fine and stamped in for 12 months as per normal. Nobody is going to look at anything. You have just convinced me
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4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:
I personally don't believe immigration at airport will be involved with this insurance issue. OA's before 31 Oct don't need Ins and OA's after 31 Oct do, I don't believe the visa on passport will reflect required Insurance. After 31 Oct you either qualify for OA visa or you don't, why would they bother to stamp visa with any Ins. entry?
Perhaps you best notify immigration not to bother checking anything and it was all a misunderstanding with issuing the police order
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24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:
That is not correct. I have highlighted the test showing it will only be up to the date the insurance ends.
If entering and the insurance has not started yet a person would only get a visa exempt entry if they qualify for one and if not could be denied entry.
It IS correct. How many times do you want to be wrong this week before you finally accept the fact you have completely no idea of what your actually talking about?
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8 minutes ago, bslmh said:
Thank you for wasting your time !
anyway it’s no way for me now but an agent will do the job
good luck to all applicants
No. I said I did the screenshot so as you do not think I am wasting your time! and to show the Evisa site is working perfectly.
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Just to show you that the site is working fine and I am not wasting your time. I really do know how this E visa and software works
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It is now 1.40am I will look again in the morning.
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Another issue can be not using Chrome browser. The system works better using Chrome. Your not by any chance using an Apple computer or an I pad? The system hates Apple software
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Where it says status completed, You need to change to incomplete then delete the files as instructed. That is looking for completed applications. I have just tried the site and it is working fine. I cannot see what you are doing wrong as I am here 6500 miles away. On the first page, you are not attempting to fill in the box requesting resident status by any chance? If you are French with a French passport, you ignore that check box. Leave it blank.Your passport upload when you first started tells the system you are French until later in the application when it will ask and you to fill it in.
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4 minutes ago, esposa said:Thank you, I wasn't expecting them to cover the cost of his flight and him not pay it back. We'll be contacting them tomorrow anyway. I'm not even sure she has the full story from him so I am hoping I can be there when he next makes contact.
The other issue is they absolutely won't send him the money, even if they will do it in case he simply spends it. It will need to go through a third party.
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1 minute ago, esposa said:
It's the borrowing the 20000 baht and flight money that is the issue. His mum simply doesn't have it and isn't in a position to borrow it, there is nobody else he can ask (his father passed away when he was a child). For me I'd just leave him where he is to deal with the consequences of his actions but his poor mum is beside herself with worry. I'm just trying to get a idea of all options to figure out in the circumstances which is the best one/cheapest for his mum because ultimately even if she has to save for months that's where any money will come from.
Tell her to contact the British Embassy. At one time they would issue a secured loan. I don't know if they still offer it or if they will offer it if he isn't yet in IDC.
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1 minute ago, sanemax said:
Those long term stayers are there because they dont have travel documents and cannot get them or dont want to leave , rather than not being able to pay .
I do believe that every day you spend in IDC, 200 Baht gets taken off your overstay fine
I believe it is only taken off once you have been to court. Fact is, if you don't have money for a flight etc, your Embassy (Mostly) or Thailand will not pay for you. Your stuck
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O/A visa and insurance experience today
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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What part of section 4 is hard for you to understand?