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5 hours ago, James2020 said:

I've never used an agent.  It would seem that you still had to go to the US Embassy and get the affidavit, still had to go to a hospital or clinic and have a physical, still need to get the physical tests done at the DL center, still need to watch the video, still need to have copies of documents, (no pictures needed now though), etc.  At the time we went, there were no queues - it may save a little time going with someone who's been through it before, but I don't see how it could save much?

As a UK  Citizen all that is needed is your licence, your Passport and visa, a copy of the front page of your chanote and 2 passport sized photos. The agent deals with the rest of it regarding a medical certificate and a Residence Permit. No need for an Embassy visit for us. They take you too the test center where you do the color blindness test, the side vision test and watch a video for an hour. You then get issued a 2 year temporary licence and they bring you home. That's it.
Somebody posted that you cannot get the 5 year Licence on a PE visa. That's not true. Any visa or extension that has an original issue date for a year or more is acceptable to get the 5 year licence once the first 2 year temporary licence is due for renewal. A PE visa is valid for 5 years so not an issue.

Just looked through my spares and have another 2 sided one!

Just now, ubonjoe said:

It is really not a 2 sided form. If you print the list of aliens reported on the back of it part of it would be torn off when the receipt portion is removed.

Actually yes, the original form is 2 sided lol The ones I have here now which I collected at immigration somebody has used there head and photo copied the front and rear and stapled them together. You can see where I removed the staple. I actually never thought about it but I just looked at my original form and indeed your right, half of the info has been torn off. I assume that they were working on the basis that you ever only need to do one there. Once the info is the computer you just need to report on the old slip or get it done on line. They are not expecting a new form each time you report.
 

I just checked and it is a different form to the one in use at Jomtien. This is a 2 sided form. I always thought it was a standard form in use everywhere but seems not.
They do like to make it difficult! 

6 minutes ago, LivinginKata said:

 

I do not disagree with that.  In our company's case we prefer the online registration where no receipt is offered.  Now that the online system is down it's all very difficult.

 

It seems clear to me that the OP's housemaster does not appear to have bothered with registration. Most small business Thais have no idea about this legal requirement or don't care to bother.

 

I suggest to the OP that he gets the form from Immigration (I can't reference here as Imm site is down)  and has his landlord/housemaster complete and sign.

I think if you read the OP and his latest response, it was all a little bit of one and half a dozen of the other. He wasn't bothered because he thought he was only there a short time and for whatever reason, the management never bothered, as many are not. Now he is staying for a long period and needs a Residency Certificate and the chase is on. I suppose the management think that he isn't that bothered because he hasn't been bothered in 8 months. Now I would assume it will eventually get done......Although on 'Thai time' 

6 minutes ago, LivinginKata said:

 

You must have the legal owner/housemaster register you with Immigration. In most cases if housemaster not register and you go to Immigration then they should issue you with a form for the housemaster to sign and you can take back to Immigration.

 

As for your intial question about a 'receipt'  or tear-off ... that does not exist. I speak with a lot of knowledge as our company rents apartments and we ae legally obliged to register foreign guests on penalty of a fine. We register online (well until last month before the system went down) and the online system does not issue any print-out. I have to take a screen shot and print that out if any guest wants proof for Immigration. I doubt many housemaster are that helpful.

 

Fact of the matter is that many (most) independent small businesses don't bother with this registration process as they don't want any government department to know that they are making money. And it does not matter is any contract is in a Thai name, the housemaster must register all foreigners staying in that house, even for just one night. 

Your guests can go to immigration and receive the receipt to say it was received. (Should they wish too) This is then kept with there passport if they are long term stayers. If the TM30 is lodged manually directly at immigration, then there is the tear off slip on the bottom of the form and this is given back to the person reporting. This is then kept again with the passport for future manual reports.

Just now, Andrew Dwyer said:

This is probably the issue now, if this is the case I'll ask for a letter and try immigration again .


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If immigration haven't yet received the TM30 then quite plainly it hasn't been reported. You wouldn't need the tear off slip to prove it as they could easily look on there computer system and see it.

2 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Yeah, I know it all seems a bit suspicious but it's not, it's basically down to me being lazy and going with the flow !
This place was gonna be temporary so I didn't dot the i's and cross the t's but will probably stay here at least another 6 months now so have to make it all legal .



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OK. Good luck but at least now I think you now know exactly what you need to do to get this sorted.

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

 

I still cannot see why while waiting why the apartment office can't give you a letter to confirm you live there. 

That would of been my question he could of lodged a TM30 on that letter and it may of been excepted. It does seem though that immigration either want a formal rental agreement or for him to be reported by the House master, owner or the Condo block themselves if they are doing rentals. I have an idea why they are not wanting to do anything here but that would just be speculation and that isn't helpful.

Missed a bit. They couldn't possibly of reported you online on Jan 2. The system has been down for weeks and is still down now. If they actually went to immigration and reported you, they would of gotten the receipt immediately. They could of posted it but I would of expected it back by now. Ask them exactly how they reported you and when.

Just now, Andrew Dwyer said:

Filled in a rental agreement on Jan 2nd with apartment and they "promised" to have it sorted within 2 weeks !
So now I'm waiting , for what I'm not exactly sure, I got the impression they are doing the tm30 and waiting for receipt from immigration ?


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If you have a long term rental agreement, unless they are doing it as courtesy for you, I see no reason why they will unless they actually own the Condo rather than acting as agents for the actual owner who may well be thousands of miles away abroad.. If the agreement is in your Girlfriends name all she needs to do is go to immigration with you, fill in the form and report you as living with her. You or/and her maybe fined for failing to do it within 24hrs, that depends on immigration. If you have moved from another Thailand address you will also need to do a TM28 form as a change of address.
May16 until now seems a long time not to have a rental agreement? Something is not right here IMO. If you have no rental agreement after 8 months, I would seriously consider finding other accommodation.

7 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

 

Why not? I did.

How do you prove your address when you're not on the Tabien Bahn?

Your not listening. His immigration office want him to register a TM30 before he can get one. He has nothing. He cannot register a TM30 unless he has a rental agreement or the person that does have it registers him.
The only way is he moves into a hotel and the hotel either report him or they issue him a letter to say that's his address and he registers himself.

1 minute ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Yes she is Thai and when we registered we both assumed it was in both names ( if that's even possible ?) as they photocopied my passport and tm6 as well as her id.
Never thought anything more about it till looked into a residence certificate for DL.
Went to Pathum Thani immigration, gf explained the situation, basically told me to get proof of residence from apartment !!

I don't have any other proof .


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Your girlfriend must have a rental agreement?

9 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

 

They will accept a letter, or bill with your name on it as proof.

He isn't at a registered address is how Immigration are seeing. They want a TM30 registered and before he can do that he needs either to come up with a rental agreement and register himself or whoever has taken out the rental agreement in his Condo needs to report him.
You cannot just walk into an Immigration office with a letter head and receive a Residency Certificate with absolutely nothing to back it up. 

I am struggling to get my head around this. You have been in an apartment since May 2016? That's 8 months. Can I ask who's name is the rental agreement in because you cannot surely be paying a nightly rate for 8 months? I assume you GF is Thai who you said used her ID to book you in, is the rental agreement in her name? If It is then she becomes the 'House master' she registers you on the TM30 with no problem.
 

I have found it easier and cheaper to use an agent. 3000Bt and they will pick up your paperwork, do your pictures, go and collect everything that is needed. Next day send a car and take you to the test center where you watch a video, collect your licence and get dropped home.
How bad is that, no running around and an hour out of your day?

8 minutes ago, docspinoff said:

think every thing on the internet about this TM30) form  should be deleted . and the government tell us fresh information covering all possibilities. .

Yes. That will teach the government and immigration not to mess with you.

2 hours ago, steve187 said:

but my question is how do they know you are still married, the fresh kor ror 22 proves this.

 

i can not fathom why you are having problems at immigration, your a nice friendly man,

1 hour ago, wobalt said:

Well, this depends on the circumstances...

Then don't do it.

53 minutes ago, Jedsada3 said:

TM30 should be filled by the one who hosts you not by yourself ! When you live in hotel you never see the TM30 nor get a receipt because it's not your business but the business of the hotel manager.

 

Maybe you mean TM47... or TM28.

Its very much your business when your looking for an extension of stay or need to deal with Immigration in any province that is enforcing the rule. It's YOU that will be paying the fine.

Just now, Card said:

Must be something new then as like I wrote, I have opened 2 savings account in 2 different branches of BKK bank, both with debit cards and a choice of a chip or non-chip cards, during the last year as well as a term deposit very recently with no requirement for a work permit.

I have had it myself along with lots of other people. There are an untold amount of posts about it. All he can do is keep trying different branches and banks until one will do it for him. I have no idea who started the work permit lark but as most banks ask for one then I assume it's from somewhere in the Banking Industry itself?

1 hour ago, Card said:

So why did they ask for a work permit if he was on a tourist visa?

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That appears to be a requirement BUT if your on a long term visa or extension then some will open you an account. Kasikorn will do it on a long term visa with a bit of persuading but it's normally a minimum of 10,000Bt to open the account. Its a good account though with Internet banking and a Visa Debit ATM card. I see reports of Bangkok Bank not doing the Visa Debit card anymore but something else that hardly anybody accepts.

2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

 

 

When I went to make extensions on 16 December TM30 most definitely WAS required. I even had to fill in 1 4 times, 1 for each applicant and 1 for upstairs

I think we need to bare in mind that Jomtien only really started cracking down on this around September or October time. A lot of people haven't yet applied for there extensions there since.

11 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

 

Sometimes the person at the desk is one of the senior officers and even the young staffers are at least I/Os in training. Whoever is there, they often go through papers brought by applicants and sort them out. I agree they are often quite busy, but I said in the previous post I've never been asked to produce or submit a TM.30, so her advice may have been accurate.

The few times  have been there it has just been a young girl in civilian clothing absolutely mobbed out with people in front of her but I have no reason to not believe what you say. As for the advice you was given, it was wrong and I think you have been lucky up until now. You may not be so lucky the next time when you apply for the extension. Even the agents that are doing it the back handed way are now having to do a TM30 for there 'Clients'. See post one where he said downstairs said no but upstairs who actually deal with them said yes or he wouldn't get an extension the next time he applies.

Glad it worked out and exactly why I said forget the front desk and go straight up the stairs. She is so busy on that front desk I don't think she knows what is really going on. She is only a receptionist after all.