Lemonltr

5 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Yes 

Here is one that covers both with a 3.5 million bhat coverage.

https://www.pacificcrosshealth.com/en/visa-friendly/

Up to 75 years old initial policy renewable to 99.

8 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Does it really? Being fully vaccinated is purely a personal protection that should reduce the severity of the symptoms of any infection. Being double-shotted does not prevent you catching it or spreading it and offers no protections to others, vaccinated or otherwise.

 

Vaccine 101.

Reliable figures have been published stating that low viral doses in the nose of fully vaccinated make them more unlikely to pass covid on. Encl another chart. 

7 hours ago, hotchilli said:

So will these figures be reported faithfully or spread over several days to lesson the impact?

Remember the Thai Airways logo painted over after a Suvarnabhum crash? 

The figures must never be high enough to deter tourists. 

47 minutes ago, potless said:

When you are on the main page, it says "Buy now". When you click on that, another page comes up which asks for " Country of origin" "status" "date of arrival" and "period of coverage". Then the cost of the premium  appears. Then, when you click on NEXT, a popup appears with blurb about the 400k/40k inpatient outpatient insurance with a link to longstay insurance. Do NOT click on that link. Click "CLOSE" and it goes away. Then take it from there. Does that make a difference?

Thanks a lot for your attention potless. I get that form up OK. The problem crops up with various individual insurance companies who turn me down because of age. 

I don't need it urgently so I'll give it a rest for now. Thanks again. 

20 minutes ago, potless said:

So it does. I wonder why the OP is having a problem. Thanks.

I may be doing something wrong. If so apologies. I have no problem getting on the tgia site saying available up to 99 years. Nor Luma, viriyah Tune AXA, Pacific Cross etc., the problem crops up when I inserty age ver 80.then refused. Anyway not absulutely essential for a few months so I'll try later. If it interests anybody further try a fictitious application stating DOB in 1930s.

Many thanks to all posters. You're great. 

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Did you use the link I posted. https://www.tipinsure.com/CovidRegional/product_detail

It shows this on the first page.

 

Then you click coverage and after selecting the required info it give you the cost. I used the UK and 30 days for this example.

 

 

Yes Joe. That's the site I was referring to up to 99 years means nothing. Viriyah for eg when asking for covid insurance ( my car insurer) has a price list only for 40000/400000 one maybe covid too but cuts off at only 70 years old. 

I

Tried Tune. AXA, Pacific Cross and others, all 75 age cut off but will try again. I have plenty of time and hoping for changes. 

3 minutes ago, Lemonltr said:

Hello Joe. When I said no matter what headlines say I was referring to that site which a few people recommended. So I said "Try it" I've tried many and all price lists end at 75 years. 

I would love to be proven wrong or incompetent. 

This hasn't been an issue for 17 years. I've assets and 1 mio baht in the bank. I'm hoping that things will change. 

Thanks for replying. 

It's after I fill in my age on the application form that "unable to offer a quote" pops up. 

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

The only insurance needed is the $100k covid 19 insurance if you extended a non-o visa entry and you can get insurance up at the age of 99.

Look at this site. https://www.tipinsure.com/CovidRegional/product_

Hello Joe. When I said no matter what headlines say I was referring to that site which a few people recommended. So I said "Try it" I've tried many and all price lists end at 75 years. 

I would love to be proven wrong or incompetent. 

This hasn't been an issue for 17 years. I've assets and 1 mio baht in the bank. I'm hoping that things will change. 

Thanks for replying. 

I also have a valid Non "O" regularly called and stamped as "retirement" expires late Autumn and am in the UK. 

If you are over 75 you won't be able to go back as no matter what headlines  "up to 99 years" state, insurance is not available. Try it!. All retirees and even tourists are effectively banished from Thailand. 

Same population uk regularly vaccinate daily between 500.000 and 700.000 which is the necessary rate. 

No jabs in hospitals because both the hospital and people don't want to as its risky for both sides. Figures here. 4 daily deaths last figures. 

1 minute ago, Lemonltr said:

Absolutely. Get vaccinated. Uk 800.000 plus tests daily. Latest results published by public health England daily report. 

Forgot to mention. Only 4 deaths that day. 

2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Great news! I am  referencing the cdc tracking site. May 29 was the first time it has been below

20,000 per day, this is with almost no restrictions and a bunch of unvaccinated liars traipsing around grocery stores without masks. Just get your jabs!

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

Absolutely. Get vaccinated. Uk 800.000 plus tests daily. Latest results published by public health England daily report. 

2 hours ago, pentagara said:

 

You're really comparing apples to oranges here for multiple reasons, irrespective of any brown envelopes you're alluding to.

 

1. Production cost
Sinovac and AZ are two completely different types of vaccines with vastly different production costs, even though both help to immunize against Covid. The Sinovac vaccine is an inactivated virus, replicating the full virus. The production process for this is quite expensive, even though it's the traditional approach to produce vaccines.  The Oxford vaccine (AZ) on the other hand replicates a small portion of the virus (spike protein) and builds it into a different, harmless virus for humans (adenovirus). The production cost for an adenovirus vaccine like AZ is substantially cheaper. Basically you're complaining that a car and a subway train (or a passenger plane, or...) have different production costs and thus prices, even though both can transport you from A to B. What you could maybe compare are the production costs of two cars, i.e. for example Sputnik, J&J and AstraZeneca. All these three use the same technology, all three are vector/adeno-vaccines. You also could compare production prices of Moderna and BionTech (Pfizer), i.e mRNA vaccines or Sinovac and Sinopharm, i.e. inactivated virus vaccines. Comparing AZ and Sinovac production prices doesn't make sense.

 

2. Availability and pricing mechanism
The Sinovac vaccine is available, produced by a private company. The Oxford AZ vaccine is currently unavailable and currently has to be produced non-profit while the pandemic lasts (that's what the contract between Oxford university and AstraZeneca and its partners stipluates, Oxford university holds the intelectual property and enforces not-for-profit sales prices). As a result the market prices also are completely different. Basically right now you (or rather a government) has the choice of either buying a vaccine that is available (but logically more expensive then), or a less expensive vaccine that is out of stock (i.e. that you can pay, but that you only will get delivered sometime in the future). What's better, a cheap vaccine that's unavailable or a more expensive vaccine that you actually can get? Side note: Against all odds, once production of the Oxford (AZ) vaccine starts here in Thailand, in hindsight Thailand actually has done a pretty good job in vaccine procurement/production from an availability perspective, since at least they have their own production plant. Australia for example doesn't and will get their hands on any vaccine, including the AstraZeneca vaccine much, much later than Thailand as a result. Theoretically one would assume that the Australian government would have had more resources to get their hands on a vaccine. So that's somewhat of a surprise, at least to me.

 

3. Approval status & travel restrictions

Sinovac (as well as Moderna/Pfizer, Sinopharm and other vaccines) are still relevant for Thai citizens even once the AZ vaccine is available at volume levels in Thailand when local production starts. If you want to travel for business (or less relevant: for leisure), then you need to consider which vaccine is approved in the country you want to travel to. Travel restrictions will differ depending on vaccine and destination country for the foreseeable future, at least for the next 12 months. There are different countries with different laws on this globe, after all, and it might be possible to complain about that, but won't change how the world works. This means it's beneficial for any country to have access to multiple vaccines for its citizens, even if the prices for the vaccines differ. Also the EU had to learn the hard way that focusing on the vaccine price only in vaccine prodcurement might not be the best strategy.

 

4. Diversity as safety measure

As mentioned in 1. (production cost), Sinovac and the Oxford vaccine (AstraZeneca) are completely different vaccines from the perspective how they work. As a result, vulnerability of the two vaccines to specific virus mutations also differs substantially between the two vaccines. They are very, very different vaccines after all. If you put all your eggs in one basket (i.e. only procure the AstraZeneca vaccine), you run a substantial risk right now, expecially since in many countries infection numbers are at a peak at this moment, so the probability for mutations has never been higher than right now, especially when looking at South and parts of South East Asia, i.e. in places that are very, very close. If you only have access to one single type of vaccine, you might end up in a situation like South Africa, where they had their hands on the AstraZeneca vaccine but had ot find out the hard way that not all Covid-19 viruses and Covid vaccines are the same.

 

I have read often that Australia has a production plant for AZ. Am I misinformed? 

1 hour ago, Denim said:

 

Because those who have been vaccinated can no longer get infected and even if they could they couldn't give it to anyone else.

 

Is that right ?

 

Is that the logic behind the no quarantine requirement ?

Fully vaccinated in UK. Surveys have found that if infected, they are predominately getting asymptomatic or mild infections and are between 67 % and 75% less likely to pass it on as the viral load in the nose and throat is very low. I've out a chart on the article of today's total infections which reinforces that. 

13 minutes ago, placnx said:

Given that world production, mainly by pharma, is not being expanded enough to cover the world in the next pandemic, it's advisable for countries like Thailand which have the technical capability to acquire know how given some time, to have their own production capacity.

 

Some think that 1) this pandemic will remain for a few years, then become endemic; 2) a new pandemic could come as soon as 6 years.

You'd be surprised at the amount of new production plants yet to produce. Uk have new plants Valneva in Scotland, Novavax in NE England, GKN/Curevax (MRNA) and others. Governments world wide got a shock. Novavax has no plants of its own so has made many production deals worldwide. Many new vaccines are at Stage 3. Try googling Fierce Pharma for daily info. 

38 minutes ago, Lemonltr said:

 

Further figures that readers might find enlightening. 

Please look to similar population Britain. Been there T shirt etc. In January a daily death record of 1.820 people. Yes 1 day.  Now after  65.000.000 mainly AZ jab there are usually single figure deaths. Recent rise in cases to 5 or 6.000 owing to the rapid grabbing of 80% of cases by the very infectious Indian variant. So do vaccines work?? 

Testing around 800.000 per day. Plus 2 free self test kits per person weekly. At around 38 deaths in Thailand its sure that testing in paltry. These figures can easily be confirmed by googling "public health England covid daily report. 

P. S. After only 1 dose. 

Recently read that Thailand had 62 cases of Indian B. 1617.2 in one area. In the space of about 5 weeks is now about 80% of new cases in the UK. Rarely mentioned here though. No patient data yet but lab estimates a much greater ability to evade vaccines. 

Never heard or read any virologist suggesting that mutations occur due to variant "mixing" 

More like very fast track Darwinism survival of the fittest. 

15 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

 

Your on the right forum now.

 

The problem for retirees over 75 is the 400/40K Health Insurance requirement, however that is only required if applying for a STV, Non O, Non O-A, or Non O-X or entering with a re-entry permit from a valid extension of stay based on retirement.

The 400/40K Health Insurance isn't required if entering VE or on a TV.

 

The 100,000 USD is mandatory for all entries, but available up to age 99.

I have read that it's available for up to 99 years in headlines but in fact found no insurance company accepting over 75s in practice. Would love to be directed to one after proving it. 

Here's what the BBC website gives out eery morning. 

The UK big topic at present is the phenomenal rise in the recent Indian variant which has grabbed 75% of all new infections in the space of a few weeks and rendered 1st doses as having protection of well under 50%