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55 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

 

Now they are increasing the isolation period back up to 14 days (people that have been vaccinated or tested free of the virus). The very people they want in the country but hold no risk.

 

Hospitalizing everyone that tests positive, every hospital will be full my the end of next week at their present rate.

To quarantine vaccinated people for 14 days shows how much confidence in the vaccines the government has...

Hospitalizing asymptomatic people for 14 days was possible when there were only a couple dozen cases per day, but it is a sure recipe for healthcare disaster with the actual numbers...

14 hours ago, thai006 said:

i hope i will back to Thailand in November without quarantine anymore 

If you mean November 2025, you may be right.

Otherwise and contrary to the previous restrictions measures, these ones appear to be open ended...start on May 1st and no finish line... maybe they will end at the same time as the state of emergency...see what I mean...

4 hours ago, Phillip9 said:

 

Apparently you missed the latest CDC guidance, and the press conference where Biden took off his mask yesterday.

Just read the text sent by Scott above...I am not impressed.

There are still multiple situations in which fully vaccinated persons need to wear a mask.

The CDC rules underline its lack of confidence in the efficiency of the vaccines...probably for good reason.

On top of that, despite having vaccinated more than 100 million people, the US still has over 50,000 cases per day, less than half the number of India and five times the number of Thailand (once adjusted to account for the difference in the size of the population), countries where barely anyone has yet been vaccinated...

7 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

I'm guessing that with over 1 billion Pfizer jabs given, it's probably OK.  Long term issues are a consideration.  But so far, looks great!!!  And better than dying from Covid.

So far, Joe Biden (and everyone else) is still wearing a mask, or two, 3 months after getting his shots...

Plus Pfizer is now saying that its vaccine protects (?) only for 6 months...after that it's another shot, then another one...

Doesn't look all that great to me...

7 hours ago, DavisH said:

Not gene therapy: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/03/17/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-are-not-gene-therapy-as-some-are-claiming/?sh=675b17053d20

 

Actually they call it RNA therapy, which is a derivative of gene therapy:

https://hsci.harvard.edu/translation/what-are-drugs-4-gene-therapies

I won't argue on the branding of the therapy, but one sure thing is that it is an experimental therapy, and I am comfortable letting others experimenting while I observe...

11 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

 

Oh I'd wager quite a bit longer than that. 

 

Then still no one in, extended indefinitely. 

Not indefinitely, but until the end of the decade.

By then it will be over, and not only the pandemic...

26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

 

 

Do you really believe that India and Brazil have the same number of daily deaths, even though India has 8 times the number of new infections? 

Actually they don't.

India has between 2,500 and 3,000 daily deaths, while France has 300, yet with 20 times less people.

To be on par, India should have 6,000 daily deaths, which they may have, given the uncertainties regarding numbers over there.

4 minutes ago, mark131v said:

 

Have you bothered to watch the news or are you paranoid it's all a big fake?

 

I have not seen any pictures from France that bare any resemblance to the tragedy unfolding across India

I am more of a numbers guy, so I watch the worldometer rather than the gory news.

2 minutes ago, mark131v said:

 

Tell that to India!! 

 

 

Well, India has about 20 times the population of France, but "only" 10 times the number of cases and deaths.

So you should say "tell that to France" which, by the way, has been under full or semi lockdown for a year...

5 hours ago, internationalism said:

yes, pfizer earlier expected to give protection around one year. Now they are saying between 6 to 12 months.

 

yes, it's possible to vax the majority of population in short time, if vials are available. Thailand will be doing 10mln per month, so 70% of population in 5 months. 

It doesn't work in a linear fashion, as other countries have discovered.

The higher the percentage of vaccinated people, the more difficult it becomes to gain an extra percentage point, because many people are reluctant or simply don't want the shots.

I don't believe for one second that Thailand will be able to vaccinate 300,000 persons per day, every day, for 6 months.

In villages, many people refuse to visit a doctor, even when they are very sick...I can't imagine them waiting in line for a shot...or two...

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

 

If you've had CV19.  You have LIMITED immunity.  Some studies say only for 6 months, and only for that variant.  

Which is also what Pfizer's CEO recently said about his gene therapy/ vaccine (another shot will be required after 6 months...and then another one, and so on).

So, you get "vaccinated", but you still have to wear a mask and social distance, and after 6 months you start all over again.

And because it is not possible to vaccinate 70% of the population (the alleged threshold for heard immunity) in only 6 months, you never get out of this "groundhog day" nightmare...

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Nice deflection from the fact that you were wrong and that I was asking you to provide proof.  Which you refuse to provide. 

 

 

It doesn't work like this in the real world.

Where am I wrong...and why?

Let's see what I wrote:

mRNA is gene therapy: wrong? how so?

mRNA has never been used on humans before: wrong? how so?

Pfizer and Moderna vaccines not yet approved: wrong? how so?

We don't know if these new vaccines will prove to be efficient and safe: wrong? how so?

Already vaccinated people have been infected with covid 19: wrong? how so? 

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Human clinical trials have been done with mRNA vaccines. Nothing approved. Just trials.

And that is enough for you?

Jumping from small trials, years ago, to massive public use at the turn of a switch...

2 hours ago, rabas said:

 

The rest of your post reads like standard anti-vax material, including emotional plea and factual misrepresentation.

 

You are welcome to present facts that refute those I presented above...a more constructive approach than coming up with the usual "anti-vax" like an exorcist brandishing the cross to repel the devil.

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

I'm afraid you have been misinformed.  mRNA vaccines have been used on humans.

 

https://www.phgfoundation.org/briefing/rna-vaccines

 

 

 

From 2008.  A clinical trial of an mRNA vaccine:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18481387/

Did you even read the post you are linking to?

Here is a paragraph title:

"How could RNA vaccines be used for human health?"

Note the "could"...there is absolutely no mention of any actual use.

But feel free to correct me by quoting from your article...if you can...

As for the trials, or rather pre-trial, on a grand total of 15 patients more than 12 years ago, that is not much before jumping to a global vaccination program...but obviously some persons are less demanding than others...

45 minutes ago, Anna Rak said:

Well I am sorry to have to remind everyone, but about 2 weeks after the infections the death tolls start rising.

That is not necessarily true.

Singapore had a hard time with a very heavy case load for many weeks, and yet very few fatalities.

It all depends on who is infected, elderlies and retirees, as in Europe, or young and healthy workers, as in East Asia.

5 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

(P.S. India's latest daily infections is shown as "only" 8,025, so maybe they have it more under control than the media would have us believe?)

From 320,000 to 8,025 in just one day...now that would be some serious improvement...

47 minutes ago, chang1 said:

 

1 week before ICUs are overrun and you are not worried? 

Hardly...with 418 critical patients as of today, for the whole country, ICUs are far from overrun.

What is filling up the hospitals are the asymptomatic patients, which is not reason for panic.

5 hours ago, JCauto said:

Haven't been in Laos since the 70's or something?

You mean the 1870s?

12 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

Just search for what important people received. Biden got Pfizer.

But he doesn't remember it...which makes one wonder about this vaccine...

Did Trump get a shot of Sputnik V?

13 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

I agree, so what is the Thai government currently doing towards reaching this goal?  It appears to be zero to very little.   

 

Like many others, the Thai government has implemented a strategy of extend and pretend.

Pretend that a return to the so-called "normal" is in reach (the mirage of reopening to mass tourism), while giving time to the population to adapt to the so-called "new normal".

The global situation these days is quite similar to what it was in the 1930s...a pandemic with no end has replaced a Great Depression with no end...

7 hours ago, Pmbkk said:

 

If your're happy - play in your cave. Please don't come out and bother the rest of us.

 

Very sorry, I had no idea I was entering a safe space full of snowflakes.

If the government scientists say the vaccines are good, they obviously are, never mind that the non-government scientists don't necessarily agree...after all if the latter were competent, they would work for the government, wouldn't they?

Please enjoy your shots as I will now leave this safe space...