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On 9/16/2021 at 2:42 PM, DFPhuket said:
You only have to stay in the hotel for a few hours after arrival pending the airport PCR test. After that you are free to go where you'd like. .
So where is the boundary then? At Phuket that is clear but in Bangkok?
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4 hours ago, dinsdale said:
Just been watching Campbell giving some details of ATK or rapid antigen tests or lateral flow tests. New data from UK govt says specificity is 99.9% but maybe 99.97% of a positive reading being correct. So that's a 0.03% chance of a false positive. This being the case why are ATK positives here treated seperately and not included in daily infection numbers as a whole? I've been saying for a while that false negatives are a problem because people use these things get a negative reading and think they don't have the virus and then obviously can spread it. Data on false negatives is if symptomatic there's a 28% chance of a false negative and non-symptomatic a 42% chance of a false negative.
Quoting a Youtube video is not very useful as a reference. Here is a real life study of a well known antigen test from Abbott: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7799021/. It concludes that the specificity is 99.9% (with a very narrow confidence interval) but sensitivity is only 93.3% (with a very wide confidence interval). In other words, it is difficult to detect low viral loads with antigen test kits. The CDC has a report on the use of antigen kits https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/resources/antigen-tests-guidelines.html and various pro- and contras.
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6 minutes ago, BestB said:
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Australian and Korean made AZ was also not accepted in UK
The issue of AZ produced in Thailand not being accepted goes far further than the UK. It applies also to the EU so will affect quite a lot of people here in Thailand (and other countries that have received locally produced AZ). It must be registered at the EMA as 'vaxzevria' . However, unlike the claim above for AZ produced in AUS and South Korea (as well as Japan), these are on the list of non-EU produced AZ accepted in the EU. This from the official Dutch Govt. site (these rules also apply to all other EU countries, though they can decide to go their own way). https://www.government.nl/topics/c/coronavirus-covid-19/visiting-the-netherlands-from-abroad/requirements-for-proof-of-vaccination.
Why Siam Bioscience has not registered AZ at the EMA is obscure, the example of South Korea shows that it is clearly achievable.
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Further note: France has a system whereby visitors from outside the EU (including those from USA/Canada) can apply for a QR code which is equivalent to the EU DCC (digital heath pass) before they depart for France https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/How-tourists-can-get-a-Covid-vaccine-QR-code-recognised-in-France, https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/coronavirus-statements/article/applying-for-a-covid-certificate-if-you-were-vaccinated-abroad-procedure-for. For this you have to submit various documents, including your foreign health pass/certificate/passport online.
However, even if you can get a second AZ shot, such an application will likely be declined for reasons outlined in my previous post. However, it certainly does not hurt to try this.
If you manage to go to France, I would suspect that you have to quarantine upon return here. I doubt whether the Bangkok sandbox (if and when it starts) will be very different from Phuket with respect to quarantine and tests (maybe less, or some PCR replaced with ATK?).
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I would strongly urge you to call your embassy in Bangkok and check whether the Thai AZ vaccine certificate (or the yellow passport, both with two AZ shots) is valid in your country. Officially it is NOT (applies to the whole EU) as Siam Bioscience has apparently not registered their product with the EMA. I checked with the Dutch embassy (few weeks ago) and they said NO, not valid. I have read similar comments on the forum here for Spain and Greece.
Also note the following restrictions within France (https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19)
HEALTH PASS You must present a health pass to access leisure and culture venues and events bringing together more than 50 people.
From early August, you will also need to present a pass in bars, restaurants, malls, hospitals (except if you are admitted for urgent care), retirement homes, residential care homes, and for long-distance travel by plane, train or coach. For campsites, and other holiday accommodation you will need to present a pass once, on arrival.-
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In a few years Thailand will be -in essence- a Chinese province, just like Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar.
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On 9/13/2021 at 5:24 PM, CartagenaWarlock said:
The situation is the same for Serum Institute produced Covishield (AZ licensed producer) which is neither approved by EU or Britain.
Nonsense, Covishield is accepted in the EU, see this Dutch government lists which applies to all EU countries (they can make their own rules though)
https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19/visiting-the-netherlands-from-abroad/requirements-for-proof-of-vaccination, the look for approved vaccines:
A further separate story on Covishield in Europe can be found here: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-travel-covishield-sinopharm-sinovac-vaccines-are-most-widely-accepted-by-eu-countries-after-those-authorised-by-ema/
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31 minutes ago, Thaifly88 said:
This is incorrect, the app only accepts the 13 digit ID which is given to you after your second dose -
No it accepts the 13 digit ID given on the 'next appointment' slip after the first dose. The app will install, show data for your first shot and also show details of your next appointment. That is how I (and many others) found out that my second shot had been advanced one week (never received mail or SMS). I am not sure how fast data are uploaded to the app, but in the case of my second shot, I checked after ca 24h and it was all there.
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20 minutes ago, soalbundy said:
3 adults in my household, Sinovac then Astra, no side effects whatsoever, it was a breeze.
This article gives a brief overview of the most common side effects of four vaccines (AZ, Pfizer, Moderna and JJ) https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/08/17/covid-vaccines-what-are-the-potential-side-effects-from-having-them-and-how-do-they-compar. It is not very particular on how many percent of recipients suffer side-effects ('more than 10%'). Whether someone will experience side effects is virtually impossible to predict.
For myself, the first AZ shot had little impact, but after the 2nd (11 weeks later on Sept 7th) I had an uncomfortable night with chills and generally not feeling well but no fever. Next morning it was gone.
42 minutes ago, rabas said:It's hard to view AZ as best while it suffers the most from adenovirus (AV) anti-vector response.
Yes, but for the moment it looks that protection for AZ is waning slower than Pfizer and though the latter starts at a higher value, the lines may actually cross in some point in the future (see this comment in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8#ref-CR1 and a pre-print of the actual article referred to: https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coronavirus/covid-19-infection-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf . We'll have to see. Oh, and I am aware that some of the authors come from Oxford Univ.
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3 hours ago, Caldera said:
That's going to be troublesome, in both directions. I'm in the process of getting vaccinated in Thailand, so the Thai certificate won't be a problem for me. But back home, the EU's version of a digital health pass is needed to visit restaurants and such, and it remains to be seen if/how I'll be able to get that when traveling there.
Indeed, for instance, the Netherlands does not recognize the Siam Bioscience produced AZ vaccine as it has not (yet?) been registered at/approved by the EMA. Officially this applies to all EU countries but in the end they can decide to overrule this.
If you got an approved AZ vaccine outside the EU, for instance one produced in South Korea (SK-...... code) and a vaccine passport with the details, after arrival you can call a number in Utrecht, make an appointment. For this you have to be a Dutch national of live in The Netherlands. Then need to go there and they will enter you in the CoronaCheck app (a digital certificate with a QR code, part of the EU DCC set-up) than can be used both domestically and other EU countries (in Dutch: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/coronavirus-covid-19/coronabewijs/ vaccinatiebewijs/gevaccineerd-in-het-buitenland). I assume other countries have something similar.
If you have a non-valid vaccine passport/certificate (e.g. With Thai AZ shots) you can still travel back to Europe (at the very least to your 'home' country) subject to pre-flights test, possible quarantine on arrival (home quarantine for 10 days in the Netherlands) etc. but you may not be able to enter various venues and travel to other countries may be difficult. A list of the officially approved vaccines is shown at https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/coronavirus-covid-19/nederland-inreizen/eisen-vaccinatiebewijs-voor-reizigers-naar-nederland. Should be an English version somewhere. Interestingly, unlike AZ produced in Thailand, Malaysia and some other places, Sinovac and Sinopharm seem OK.
Morale: check very carefully what rules are applicable for your destination country and if they have an Embassy/consulate in Thailand call them.
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After reading some comments in forum posts, I installed the mor phrom app and found out that my 2nd AZ shot at PhyaThai 2 was now scheduled for 7 rather than 14 Sept at 09.00. Never received an SMS, wonder how many people will miss their revised appointment as many do not have mor phrom and maybe not get an SMS either.
Arrived at 9th floor parking building at 08.00. At 08.15 they started to collect ID cards/passports in batches of ten. Then to the first computer desk where some details are typed in and you get a number. They will then hand you a form where you tick off some health questions and agree to receive the vaccine. Then on to the next station where someone will type in details using the aforementioned form and check your temp. No blood pressure reading. Then straight to the vaccination booth. Move on to the observation room, got there at 08.30. Only a 20 min wait this time, then they will call your number/name and give you a slip that is your vaccination certificate. Walked out at 08.50.
Noteworthy: I only saw two foreigners as opposed to the first shot where the bulk consisted of foreigners. The lay-out of the room was different from the first shot, apparently they only do 2nd shots for the moment. Water is provided at various points.
All in all another very good experience with lots of helpful people.
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4 hours ago, Whale said:
Unvaccinated visitors from Thailand will not be allowed to enter xxxx.
Fully vaccinated visitors from Thailand can enter xxxxxx without restrictions.But they don't tell you Thai vaccines are not recognised so even if fully vaccinated here, they regards us as not vaccinated.The Dutch Embassy here in Bangkok says that the Siam Bioscience AZ vaccine is NOT recognized by the EMA and a Thai vaccine passport showing two AZ shots is not valid for travel to Holland. The only recognized AZ vaccines are those made in the EU, Australia, Japan and South Korea. However, EU countries can make their own rules so check carefully with your embassy. Without a valid vaccine passport (like the EU DCC) it can be difficult to travel between many EU countries and furthermore, some venues require it for admission.
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The EU covid digital passport does not show your passport (read travel document) number, neither is it required for travel to Europe when showing a paper vaccine passport. More importantly, when travelling to Europe, many countries will NOT recognize the Siam Bioscience AZ vaccine as it has not been approved by the EMA (confirmed by, for instance, the Dutch Embassy in Bangkok), though some countries may follow their own rules. The officially approved vaccines are shown below (https://www.government.nl/topics/c/coronavirus-covid-19/visiting-the-netherlands-from-abroad/requirements-for-proof-of-vaccination).
According to AZ-Thailand 'the company is currently applying for a registration of the name Vaxzevria for use with the COVID-19 vaccine. The name Vaxzevria has been approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and several other countries.' (https://www.astrazeneca.com/country-sites/thailand/press-release/travelling-with-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-made-in-thailand.html). This website claims that the Thai AZ product is accepted in France and Germany but the links are not very clear.
Note that if a particular vaccine is not accepted, this can seriously limit your ability to travel to/within Europe and require additional PCR tests and the like, so check carefully.
The vaccine you received must have been approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) or be on the Emergency Use Listing of the World Health Organization (WHO). This is currently the case for the following vaccines:
- Astra Zeneca EU (Vaxzevria) ;
- Astra Zeneca - Japan (Vaxzevria);
- Astra Zeneca - Australia (Vaxzevria);
- Astra Zeneca-SK Bio (Vaxzevria);
- Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine - United States of America;
- Pfizer/BioNTech (Comirnaty);
- Johnson & Johnson ((COVID-19 Vaccine) Janssen);
- Moderna (Spikevax);
- Serum Institute of India (Covishield);
- Sinopharm BIBP;
- Sinovac.
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1 hour ago, cormanr7 said:
I also had my first shot at Phyathai 2 on June 22nd with the second shot scheduled for Sept. 14th. Unlike some others, haven't heard anything yet (either by SMS or email).
Update. Registered for mor phrom which is easy as the input fields are in both Thai and English. Input the 13 number ID that is displayed on the slip you got after your first vaccination and choose password, get an OTP.
When the app opens it is all in Thai but not difficult to comprehend. The first clickable link (with the syringe) takes you to a page that displays details of your first shot. Click arrow at the bottom, this will take you to the next page where the date for your 2nd shot will appear. Mine is Sept 7th in the morning, one week earlier than the original appointment (Sept 14th). Still no notification by SMS/email.
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I also had my first shot at Phyathai 2 on June 22nd with the second shot scheduled for Sept. 14th. Unlike some others, haven't heard anything yet (either by SMS or email).
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Today (Sept. 1st) and according to flight tracker sites (like flightradar24), there have been a number of domestic flights. For instance, Vietjet Air, Bangkok Aw and Thai Smile (to Suvanabhumi) and Nok (to Don Meuang) had a single flight from BKK to Phuket vv , whereas Vietjet Air had one to Surat, with another by Nok later this day. So frequency is low and it appears that this morning Nok had a DHC-8 rather than a B737 on a DMK flight to/from Chiang Mai. In the case of Phuket, Thai Lionair and AirAsia are supposed to start on Sept 2nd and 3rd, respectively. So there are some domestic flights now, flying TO Bangkok is presumably easy in terms of restrictions but the other way may be problematic, in particular to Phuket. I would book late as nobody knows what will happen in a few days and getting your money back (and then maybe only just in the form of a voucher which is not really useful) maybe difficult.
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5 hours ago, superal said:
Any mention of domestic flights opening (HKT<>BKK particularly)? I used the search function but couldn't check all 15 pages of this thread ???? (Bloomberg said that domestic flights opening is included in this new set of relaxing rules)
As of today various airlines show flights to/from Phuket (initially starting with very low frequencies) from early September. For instance, AirAsia is supposed to have one HKT-BKK flight/day from September 3rd, Thai Lionair one flight a day from Sept 2nd., etc. However, Phuket makes it own rules, and flight schedules sometimes change by the day. I guess we'll know more in a few days. Other domestic flights are also supposed to start early September.
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I have gotten a Sinovac shot 11 days ago and now I'm offered Phizer tomorrow, can I take it?
16 hours ago, bubblegum said:I have gotten a Sinovac shot 11 days ago and now I'm offered Phizer tomorrow, can I take it?
The standard method here appears to be an interval of 3 weeks for an initial Sinovac shot followed by either AZ (I have a Thai friend in Phuket who got this) or Pfizer. I think this is loosely based on the standard 3 week interval between two Sinovac shots. As one shot of Sinovac reportedly offers very little protection I think you should be OK. However, did you inform whoever is given the Pfizer shot that you had the Sinovac less than two weeks ago? They could/should have better advice, don't hide the details of a previous shot!
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1 hour ago, dinsdale said:
Must be close to 15,000 ATK positives in the last week. Official daily infection numbers does not indicate these are ever being included. Testing remains plateaued as do infection numbers.
That depends, it is possible that those that tested positive by an antigen test are subsequently tested by PCR.
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KLM had originally planned to start direct AMS-Phuket flights in October. This plan has now been cancelled according to luchtvaartnieuws.nl (in Dutch), which tends to be well informed. Reason given (freely translated): 'present conditions do not warrant starting flights on this route'
Finnair will operate (seasonal?) flights to Helsinki from Phuket starting Nov 1 with frequency ranging from two to four flights per week depending on the period. For the moment, planned flights to Krabi are also still on, starting end of Nov (source finnair.com). Whether these flights to southern Thailand will actually take place will depend on the covid situation.
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On 8/19/2021 at 8:30 PM, richard_smith237 said:
IATA have been trialing a their 'IATA Travel Pass’ which is currently only available by invitation (I’m not sure why)....
It seems to be difficult to upload vaccination data to the IATA pass (possibly due to the endless number of national vaccine passports and the difficulty of varying these data). If you have a EU Digital COVID Certificate (DCC) or UK NHS COVID pass you can now upload it to the IATA pass app
https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/2021-releases/2021-08-19-012/.
But what happens if you arrive in Europe with a sheet from a hospital and/or the 50 Baht Thai COVID vaccination passport (assuming that they have let you board in the first place). After arrival they scan the QR code and then get something like 'website not available'.
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I think that yesterday there were about 50,000 tests so the positivity rate is more than 40% which must be one of the highest in the world. Various data are shown at https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/, the number of tests is the last bloc in brown.
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On 8/3/2021 at 2:52 PM, FritsSikkink said:
The 3 around me have no problems at all, the ones around you too. Sounds to me that your statement is a bit misleading about 7 elevens in Bangkok.
Well, note than that from the five 7-11s areas nearest my apartment (Ladphrao area), four have major supply problems and the 5th closed a week ago. So in some areas there are definitely problems with many empty shelves, not sure how the distribution is arranged.
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22 hours ago, Crossy said:
Note the Bang Sue Grand is currently a covid vaxx centre, navigating the station might be problematic.
No it is not, Thursday coming back from MTT went on the red line at Laksi (one stop from DMK) to Bang Sue (where you arrive at the 2nd floor), then follow the signs to the MRT, which requires going down some escalators and a short walk (120 m) through a tunnel. When you get on the red line you have to scan a QR code or write your name and destination. Free for the first 3 months, frequency is low outside rush hours (every 30 min, 15 min at peak times).
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Life in sandbox Bangkok and after
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Yes, I am aware of that but that is not what I meant. If Bangkok 'opens up' on Nov. 1st or whenever what will be the boundary then?