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6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Plus it takes organisational skills, and forward thinking. Something lacking in Thailand.

Like most every other country.

I thought J&J stood for Jameson and Jameson. Been doing shots regularly and feel great but now I find out it does not protect against Covid. Misinformed! ????

7 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

"opening" Phuket won't make any difference, nobody will come anyway. 

Well not opening will for sure keep everyone from coming. 

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

She who must be obeyed 

On 5/1/2021 at 3:34 AM, Swiss1960 said:

Lot of whining about your personal situation... some facts:

• the situation for the Thai people is the same. While they can sign-up using the app, it is completely unclear how they will get selected, when they might get their shot and which vaccine will be used for them. Here you go, you are in the same boat as the Thai - which you obviously don't like...
• not having a Thai-ID is a deliberate choice of yours. I personally have a Thai-ID, but I am also outside the SS system, never worked in Thailand. Takes a bit of time and energy, but it seems you never invested that time and energy to get your pink ID card. The ID is a valid ID which I used to open bank accounts, get SIM cards, register in apps, all without the need of my home country passport.
• both Bumrungrad in Bangkok as well as Bangkok Hospital Pattaya have informed me through mail (as I am registered as patient with both) , that I can sign up for the Thai government vaccine program, BUT the same way as the Thai people: No choice of the vaccine that will be used, priority given through health status and age same as the Thai people. So you should stop whining and go to the next private hospital and sign up for the vaccine program, they will tell you exactly how and what and when and where.
• Finally, your lack of information seems to be a lack of looking. If you would sign up in Facebook to the group "PR Thai Government" (https://www.facebook.com/watch/thailandprd/), you would find a lot of official information, including information about how to register for the vaccination program through the line app "mor prom", nearby hospitals, village health volunteers or "health promotion hospitals"

just hanging around waiting and whining will not do you any good

Agree fully. Unfortunately many expats do not know their way around the system and in many unfortunate instances are relying on girl friends or even wives that either don't have a clue what to do, how to help or prefer the easy way out....." I don't know - Not Sure- or my friend tell me cannot" 

I actually agree  pretty much everything you mentioned. The standard in here is mostly complain about everything because most lack the support ambition, and in some cases, smarts they need to assist them in achieving the basics they want and need.

1 hour ago, MasterBaker said:

Few years ago some smart pants decided to attract wealthy and family tourists to Pattaya. We all know what happened. If i could think of any good reason for wealthy to move to Thailand instead of Bali or even Cambodia, i will let you know

Ya we all know Pattaya is family capital of Thailand. Regarding the wealthy... I don't think so. It's more for the retired expat cheap beer and girlie bar pub slugs and  tourists looking for same. Sorry no offence meant.

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

 

so it is Thai majority owned.

 

Thanks, we got there in the end.

Of course it is. What is your point?

It's law.

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Who is the majority share holder of the company ?

Thanks for your interest and attempts to be the oracle of real estate in Thailand. The majority shareholder holding the A class shares is me. How I have the Thai 51% organized  is not really your business but I can assure you My end is sorted and my knowledge in this area is well established. 

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Who is the majority share holder of the company ?

Wow.... I have had my co. Since 2001....and purchased a number of properties with it. I know where you are going and say " c'mon man" do you think everyone is stupid. My company is secured up proper. 

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

...and there in lies the problem in a nut shell.......own or part own the house......don't own the land.......massive problem....potentially.

I have checked around a little bit. You do have rights....this is not the same as years ago 

Just now, Surelynot said:

She who must be obeyed 

Hahaha ya something like that. But our house in the south is bigger and nicer and is owned by my company. It keeps her grounded.

Just now, Ralf001 said:

 

Who name is on the land title ?

Hers of course

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

 

no such thing.

I am not married but am on the house book with my long time girlfriend as part owner of our Khon Kaen property. Possible..,yes!

33 minutes ago, sezze said:

People do not like the present conditions . If they would state it like , ok we do like this now , and further in the year , if everything goes to plan , then this and this rules will be different , then it might be interesting . I do not think people will book any airline ticket now for the winter holiday , just because of the "sandbox" being there . I will try to get there in October , hoping the 14d rule will be changed by then , but im still far from booking a ticket any time soon .

Well a few international  airlines are flying in as of now so some people are coming. 

I also think you will see the 14 day rule be reduced or eliminated in the upcoming months as nobody is happy about this. No one is expecting huge tourism this year but it has to start somewhere.

23 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Open “on time”? What is on time? After all preparations and safeguards have been implemented? Apparently not.

 

what will a Covid outbreak in Phuket do for the winter holiday planning I wonder?

 

I can see your point. But the risks are pretty big imho.

As predicted and expected it is going ahead. Let's see how it unfolds. 

11 hours ago, daejung said:

Everybody has already planned his summer holidays. People are not waiting till the last minute just in case Thailand would open its borders and may be close them again quickly after.

I think they are hoping more for winter holiday planning which most people start arranging around now.

10 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Yup I see that. A test case, see how it works. A model for the future. It all makes sense. Just the timing is so poor as to be laughable.

 

1. now is the low season. It’s the low season because in normal years tourists don’t come in these months. That’s primarily because the weather isn’t good. It’s rainy season, rains at least part of the time, most days. The seas on the tourist western beaches are too rough for swimming. Good for surfing, but the average family, older couples don’t surf. So trying to attract tourists now is difficult in the best of times, but now there is Covid.

 

2. The Thai Covid situation is not tourist friendly. The government is fighting to gain control of a 3rd wave. Phuket has created a false narrative to try to make itself attractive to tourists. Yes case count is low, that’s good. But the assertion that Phuket is 70%, 80% (whatever the percentage is meant to be) vaccinated, is laughable. The figure being quoted of 50% is mostly one jab only. Why not wait, get everybody that needs to be vaccinated, vaccinated properly, including farang over 60 who currently can’t even register. Even then, will tourists really segregate Phuket from the rest of Thailand when they see headlines about Thailand fighting a 3rd wave? 

 

3. The situation in many of the countries from where these tourists are meant to travel, is not conducive for travel to Thailand. Many countries  won’t let tourists leave. Some insist on quarantine on the way back. Some Thailand would probably block anyway.

 

4. The restrictions placed on tourists when they get to Phuket are still reasonably onerous and the island is not yet open and tourist friendly. Attractions are closed, bars are closed, no alcohol is served in restaurants, social gatherings with alcohol purchased at shops are prohibited.

 

so yes, a test is good. Developing a model for the future is good. But if it’s done when the conditions are wrong, what happens is that the test is a failure. And that just means that nothing much is learned and it’s harder to justify having another test in the future.

 

why not wait. Get everything ready, get people vaccinated, get control of the cases, wait for the weather to be right, THEN get your testing done, get your model for future years sorted out. 
 

there is still a long way to go in this pandemic, rushing things just causes setbacks later. Endemic management is the way to go for the future. Getting conditions right so that the process of management can begin is an essential stepping stone.

 

sorry, I can only say that in my opinion the Phuket sandbox just looks like the Thai authorities are going off half cocked without doing the necessary preparatory work.

I hear what your saying and agree with most of it except I think everyone who feels like this is missing one important fact. If they do not show that Thailand ( Phuket) is open, (regardless of the status of vaccination) the 2021-2022 plan to draw some tourists, will be finished. People living in the beach/ tourist hubs Phuket, Krabi, Khao Lak know that people start making travel plans for the winter months NOW. By Phuket NOT doing everything it can to make the sandbox work and be open per schedule will result in people booking other destinations.

Remember airlines also need lead time to set up routes and schedules and this can only happen if the country is and stays open.j

Thailand has to show it is open now no matter what or it will lose the little bit of holiday makers and home owners wanting to come. Another year of no tourists due to over zealous pandemic protectionism will truly finish most of the hospitality and tourism businesses that have been hanging on by a thread in these areas. The economic fallout will exponentially compound. 

Where I am going with all this is:

Whatever everyone thinks about the sandbox idea...Good...bad, whatever. I believe that if Phuket does not open on time and show the world that endemic management has been factored and part of the reopening plan and that you can book your Thailand holiday for this winter the results will make shut down to date seem like a blip in tourism fallout  

Personally I don't think there are many other options. It literally is do or die for areas like Phuket

59 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

But in the meantime, let’s go on holiday to Thailand in the hope that the rules don’t change and we lose money or holiday or both. I mean, the rain is so warm here in Thailand atm, the sea so rough and the atmosphere is so dead. Who can resist?

 

you are not wrong to suggest endemic management will become crucial, for Thailand and the world. But at this moment in time, the state Thailand is at, this sandbox thing will turn into an example of what not to do at the wrong time.

I look at it as do many as a test to create a vision for the upcoming high season. Has it worked...what are the issues...what do we need to adjust and when. It is a precarious line to be walked but there is a lot at stake for this country. Let's see how it unfolds.

2 hours ago, Dazinoz said:

Obviously I was referring to the forums but I also see you have the ID 10 T virus. Good luck on here and welcome to my block list.

 

Ok thanks for the ID 10 T warning. 

The block list..... Better. Less drivel.

Quirky and lovely all the same. 

On 5/29/2021 at 11:31 AM, tifino said:

never will disappear, just like how Anthrax samples are also kept locked away for future access...

OMG more like influenza I think is the idea. 

7 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

And you are a newbie complaining about the complainers. Typical

Newbie to what. This forum or Thailand. Been in this country in business and living for longer than most people in here. Fair enough though....wow your a Thaivisa veteran. Well that should make you proud. Hahaha hilarious.

3 minutes ago, Excel said:

Not difficult to predict that one - most of the civilised world will say so

The rest of the world is thinking endemic management or economic collapse waiting for eradication. Hmmmm which seems more likely.