JCP108

8 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, if you look at 21 out of 23 in the list, they did narrow it down quite specifically.  But so easy just to pick the one more general one out for an easy bash.  Must be fun up on your perch.

So, for the one out of 23 that you are bashing, should they just not bother at all?  

If you have 99 specific things and then you include something like: #100: If you were alive on planet earth during March 9-10, then you're going to get bashed for that. Bangkok happens to have millions of people in it and a large percentage would be included in anyone who ate out at a restaurant on those days. 

15 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Return to your own country and re plan your migration for when this is all over.

Easier said than done quickly. Also, not sure that's the best choice for me. Exploring all options. 

I'm here on a multi-entry non-O. My 90 days expire on 5/10. My plan is to convert to annual extension based on retirement but $ won't be mature (2 months in Thai account) until 4/10. Now we have this emergency order coming in which will surely extend beyond 4/10. Do I wait until the emergency order is lifted and hope that happens before 5/10 or jump to an immigration office tomorrow to try something else?  Your thoughts?

3 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

Expect a war of blame to start from this countries numpties.....

Yeah, isn't the army the owner of that stadium which is was the epicenter of the current spread of infections? Should've shut it down.

8 hours ago, Kadilo said:

I witnessed similar today in many restaurants in Udon. 
Many had gone to the trouble of putting a red X where you could sit so no one was opposite another and the tables were well spread out. 
Firstly, not all restaurants were doing this and those that had were just ignored by groups of Thais. I’m sure the waiters were too scared to say anything so just left them to it. 

It's an issue of no Thai person wanting to directly confront another one on the (longstanding, cultural) policy of everyone eating out of the same dish. Unless whomever has the highest social status at each of these dinners/events somehow announces that that's how it should be done, it won't be done. So far, the weak announcements on television aren't working to change this. 

20 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Hence, social distancing to keep the local density down.

Not seeing this yet. The Thai people in my neighborhood still sitting close together for hours at a time sharing drinks and eating out of the same bowls with their individual spoons (no serving spoons). They do wear masks outside the complex as though being inside it magically protects them from spreading illness.

Is it possible to get death data for Thailand due to all causes? I'm interested to see if Feb. 2020 compares to Feb. 2019 and, so on. My belief is that the one death due to C-19 is an understatement and that if we were to see death data for all causes, we might see if the numbers are actually increased.

5 minutes ago, Arkady said:

In the Tom Yam Kung crisis...

There was a Tom Yam Kung crisis?!

36 minutes ago, dogfish180 said:

Don't worry, it will be gone soon. They are out at night with the fire hoses to wash it off the streets. That nasty Covid hiding in the streets and jumping on passers by. ????

Yeah. Can someone explain the logic of this? I know the streets are dirty and it's great that they're being cleaned. But, have the road surfaces been discussed as a vector for infections at all during all of this?

3 minutes ago, Miami007 said:

I'd guess that it may be even more protection for a person who has casual exposure in the general population..

 

No. See my comment above. The general population doesn't use them properly...so, they aren't as effective and they actually increase risk when not used the way they are in the hospital setting. 

18 minutes ago, Miami007 said:

 Seems more like a case of that they can not produce enough masks to protect everyone and are rationing to people with a greater risk.

 

 

 

It's not that simple. You have to consider that the only way to make sure that you don't infect yourself when putting on the mask is to sanitize your hands and/or wear gloves while putting it on. If you have touched anything after putting your gloves on, you have to put new, clean gloves on before touching the mask and putting it on your face. Then you have to completely refrain from touching the mask and your face with your hands once you touch anything with your hands after you put the mask on. You have to then sanitize your hands before touching the mask to take it off and then throw it away (as in, don't reuse it). This is the standard practice in hospital settings which is why people say that masks "when used properly by hospital staff" offer protection that they don't off the general public. It's not a case of higher need of hospital staff. It's that they use them properly. The general public doesn't follow those rules and, therefore, actually increases their risk of transferring pathogens to their face when using masks. The general public often will reuse them due to shortages or to save money.  

I guess if we accept the basis of the model and want to see if we have a better, or worse, outcome here, use the infection rate average that is happening elsewhere where there is such data. Isn't that such that each infected person is infecting between 2 and 3 other people?

1 minute ago, Timwin said:

Face masks are just part of the protection. If you use it incorrectly (like 60-70 percent of people), you just increase your risk of getting infected! Idiotic. 

 

It is a face trap for the virus after all. You have to take it off from both ears, not slide it up and down and stop touching it all the time.  

Also, you have to sanitize your hands and/or wear gloves as you put it on to not transfer <deleted> from your hands to your face. And, (this is very important) take it off without touching your face with an unsanitized hand...AND, only use it once then throw it away. 

47 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Does anyone have a link to said acceptable Health Certificate.

If flights are not cancelled, I have a friend arriving from Ireland next month.

 

Have they actually published any information of how the Governments monitoring system will work in practice.

Right. I have to do a border run in a few days to re-up my multi-entry visa. I have no symptoms. How would I produce a certificate when coming back across the border? Or will I just be stuck outside Thailand with no way to get back in? I have a U.S. passport. Even though I have been in Thailand the prior 90 days, previous posters here in other threads have indicated that IOs often don't look just at where you've just been, they look at your passport to decide which restrictions apply. 

So, can someone please tell me...when I do my border run in a few days to re-up my 90 days on my multi-entry visa, how will I "show a medical certificate to prove" I "do not have COVID-19?" I have no symptoms. So, even if I have access, I don't think I will be given a test. Also, I understand the tests are not immediate. So, if I can get a test, how to time it so it's good in the window?

16 minutes ago, Sametboy2019 said:

I wore a mask for a while today in Makro and one thing I noticed is it makes you more conscious of touching your face as you are always aware of the mask.

May go away after wearing a lot.

 

This is part of the problem with masks...you have to touch your face more when you wear them and unless you're using hand sanitizer A LOT, wearing masks may help you get viruses and bacteria from surfaces to your eyes and nose. 

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Masks stop you touching your mouth and nose so must be of some help

Putting it on and taking it off cause you to touch your face. So, having to wear these for social pressure even though they aren't effective in protecting us increases the risk of spreading infection. I, too, wear one when out to avoid people thinking badly of me even though I don't think it's helping. Like others here, I have a wife who won't believe that they are ineffective. Most Thai people I know in my neighborhood seem to wear the same one over and over for days.