F1 Visa Runner

Forgot to mention,

if you are buying older cars or motorbikes be sure you check that the vehichle has the same colour as it says in the blue book. If not and you will have to go to the nearest car paint shop and buy a receipt from them. They charge anything from 100 to 400 thb.

Without this and you will not be able to complete the registration.

I was not able to show that I would be using the car in Bkk (I know no one there from whom I can obtain a 'tabien baan') and my new address showed me living in Saraburi province. Therefore, I believe that I was obliged to change the number plates as my address was not in Bangkok.

Outside of every Land Transport Office in Thailand there is many people offering a service to use their tabien baan. Normally they charge 100 B for a signed copy. Can be 200 B some places in Bkk if you show up alone as a foreigner. You pay the one 100 B and he hands it over to you outside the building or wherever you talk with him. If you cant find someone selling this. Just ask some thai guy or girl hanging around the LTF buildings.

So, with this paper and all other required papers to do the owner change and you can register the car you just bought at any province in Thailand.

Later or the day after when you are back home just head down to the Land Transport office in your province to get all the paper transferred. They will copy all papers and send them back to the LTF where the vehichle is registered ( where you just got back from) and the papers will return within a week. You will now get new plates from your province.

Later

What was the above post about??

Here is another example. This is a Nissan Frontier though but has a Toyota Supra 2 JZ-GTE engine. This replacment engine is also modified from its twinturbo original to a bigger single turbo. Probably looking at 400-500 hp in this one.

It also has a pair of nice Brembo brakes.

2 JZ-GTE easily holds up with 800 hp on stock bottom. You dont need to think about changing anything inside of it as a result of this high power output. Its a pure race breed engine from the Toyota factory when its delivered as original. Its reconed to be one of the thoughest built engines ever. Its a tuners favorite all over the world as just modifying turbo, intecooler, injectors, ECU, header, intake etc. will do to get whatever power output you want.

There are hundreds of pickups modified this way all over Thailand. Most with the use of the 2.5 ltr 1 JZ-GTE.

Probably a fun drive it is. Have a look at it here

Nissan Frontier with 2 JZ-GTE

For an extension based on this used by the immigration. How far into 2007 can you use the tax paid for 2006 or is it always the last 3 months paid when applying?

It is never three months required for a small business owner who is a natural person employer or sole proprietorship. It is either the PND#90 or the combination of the PND #90 and PND #94. ( The PND #94 always is filed after the PND #90)

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

If I have understood things right, if you apply for an extenision before 1st of July 2007 the immigration would base it on the PND 90 annual tax return for 2006?

I assume the period you can file the PND 94 half year tax report is between 1st of July and 31st September.

Lets say, as it takes about a month to get the extension and you applied on the 20th of June. In this case your extension will be considered when two tax periods are overlapping each other. Would the Immigration in this case also require to have a look at PND 94 as to see if there is tax paid for the first 6 months of 2007.

I know they cant ask for it when applying for an extension on the 20th of june as you probably could not have a PND 94 receipt yet.

Does anyone know the answer to this?

Sunbelt, Is this a case they would use PND 90 and PND 94 in a combination?

If operating a service business and not a sole proprietorship.

How often or when do you pay your taxes?

Twice a year. PND 90 annual return and PND 94 half year return.

If one did not pay tax in the past is it just to start paying the tax on a monthly base?

No. You only file twice a year. March 31st ( PND #90) and Sept. 30th( PND#94)

For an extension based on this used by the immigration. How far into 2007 can you use the tax paid for 2006 or is it always the last 3 months paid when applying?

It is never three months required for a small business owner who is a natural person employer or sole proprietorship. It is either the PND#90 or the combination of the PND #90 and PND #94. ( The PND #94 always is filed after the PND #90)

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

If I have understood things right, if you apply for an extenision before 1st of July 2007 the immigration would base it on the PND 90 annual tax return for 2006?

I assume the period you can file the PND 94 half year tax report is between 1st of July and 31st September.

Lets say, as it takes about a month to get the extension and you applied on the 20th of June. In this case your extension will be considered when two tax periods are overlapping each other. Would the Immigration in this case also require to have a look at PND 94 as to see if there is tax paid for the first 6 months of 2007.

I know they cant ask for it when applying for an extension on the 20th of june as you probably could not have a PND 94 receipt yet.

I know this is an old post but still going to answer it as it could come to help for others.

If the tax has not been paid for more than 3 years and I belive your vehicle have a change in status in the vehicles department.

People buying cars where this is the case should check with the department as you might not be able to ever license the vehicle legally again.

If your wifes business is less than 1 year active immigration will probably only look at the last 3 months. If it's active during the whole year immigration wants to see 480.000 income during that year. I don't believe immigration will accept that your wife starts a new business everytime time you need an extention (and closes the business after that).

As of now, you only need to show the yearly tax filing for the natural person business owner which is the PND #90. This is used by a taxpayer when they only have one source of income such as a service business. If they operate a service business they can operate as a natural person and do not need to register a sole Proprietorship. The net income would be stated on line #1 of clause NO.10 of the PND #90. The tax if married to you and no children would be 32,000 Baht for the year. Here is a sample of the calculation for a self employed natural person. This PND #90 is filed every year by the 31st of March.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

I can see the income is 480.000 after expense paid, and before the deductions of 2 x 30.000 is withdrawn. The net assessible income in your example show an annual income of just 420.000.

Is this just an example or would it qualify as a 40.000 baht income per month this way?

If operating a service business and not a sole proprietorship.

How often or when do you pay your taxes?

If one did not pay tax in the past is it just to start paying the tax on a monthly base?

For an extension based on this used by the immigration. How far into 2007 can you use the tax paid for 2006 or is it always the last 3 months paid when applying?

So you could say the "married man`s tax" is 32000 baht per year if without any children.... 2666 baht per month or lets say under 100 baht a day + border runs every 90 days.

Why border runs every 90 days? You simply file a 90 day report at Immigration if you had not traveled.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Yeah you are right. One even dont need to go outside of Thailand. Doing it this way and it looks to me its the cheapest way of them all as every trip to a consulate can be anything from 5000-15000 baht. Trips depending on where you live in Thailand and also where you wish to go.

If your wifes business is less than 1 year active immigration will probably only look at the last 3 months. If it's active during the whole year immigration wants to see 480.000 income during that year. I don't believe immigration will accept that your wife starts a new business everytime time you need an extention (and closes the business after that).

As of now, you only need to show the yearly tax filing for the natural person business owner which is the PND #90. This is used by a taxpayer when they only have one source of income such as a service business. If they operate a service business they can operate as a natural person and do not need to register a sole Proprietorship. The net income would be stated on line #1 of clause NO.10 of the PND #90. The tax if married to you and no children would be 32,000 Baht for the year. Here is a sample of the calculation for a self employed natural person. This PND #90 is filed every year by the 31st of March.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

So you could say the "married man`s tax" is 32000 baht per year if without any children.... 2666 baht per month or lets say under 100 baht a day + border runs every 90 days.

This cost per year compared to either going outside Thailand to a consulate getting a new Non-O every 3 months or

going to a consulate every 3 months to get a tourist visa and then the next 3 months for monthly border runs to get VOA`s.

and its really not a big difference.

The good thing is the income is changed so it can come from any of the married couple. So for the ones under 50 years old and with more than enough money, this seems like a very good option.

I do always encuorage though, young people to make some kind of business to secure all family members from unexpected happenings similar to accidents and also for good moral reasons. Especially for moral reasons if raising kids and the way they should apprehend to what life is like.

Other benefits as your wife now has a tax record and a proof of income would be,

able to buy cars and similar by financing them.

My wife is self employed,running a small salon.Does she have to file a PND#1 each month for us to get the visa extention or is it different for the self employed?

I would like to follow up a newbies question in another thread ( Confused-marriage Visa Rules! ) that was never answered.

I ve been reading around TV for the last days and see that this way to an extension might be possible if

your wife have paid enough tax over the last 3 months.

As your wife are liable to pay 37.000 THB in tax per year (monthly this will be 3083 THB) if making 480.000 THB per year

( monthly this will be 40.000 THB ), my questions here is would the following example be enough to get an extension;

You go and open a company for your wife which cost some 3-5000 THB through for example Sunbelt if I remember right, then pay the "back tax" for 3 months ( 3083 x 3 = 9249 THB) ?

About her present income.. how can they check what this actually is? or is it just a column on the application where she has to fill in she is earning 40.000 a month?

Is this beating the thai immigration to its best or could it be looked at differently. I mean if the requirements are 3 months tax paid, then be it. Any business have its up`s and down`s or in some case have to be closed down. You never know what the present income will be when operating your own small business or when you decide to take a VERY long holliday.

It would be great if also Sunbelt came up with some answers here on how they look upon a case like this.

If this is possible you could just call it a "married man`s tax contribution to Thailand" and which you you have to do every year.

This is in a way the same I had to do in Norway to obtain a 1 year visa for my girlfriend. The difference is that the Norwegian government looks at income for the last year or as a minimum, the 3 last months, versus Thailands tax paid.

If being in the jungle for some years and there is no way around it other than getting yourself a job in Norway to meet the application requirements.

Just came back from the thai embassy and could not get it as there is not enough time. She said the que is long and it would take about 3-4 months to get that and and the passport processed. That long I dont want to expose our leaving.

She said, get the birth certificate from Norway in english ( In Norway the national register can issue one with multiple languages on), then go to the ministery of foreign afairs in Norway to have it verified and stamped.

Bring this to the ministery of foreign affairs in Thailand, together with both parents passports and the papers given by the hospital when the baby was born concerning weight and length. The paper from the hospital could be in Norweigan she said.

These papers the thai ministery of foreign affairs will send back to the thai embassy in Norway. After its processed here, back down to Thailand again. I guess its done this way as the birth certificates are different for babies born outside of Thailand and thats in fact is our case.

She said if we were slow in getting it processed we didn`t need to think about taking the little one out for a visa trip as he is under 4 years old. She was honestly not sure whether this rule applied up to 4 year old kids or 7 year old.

If there is reason for us to come... Yeah I would say so as we got our lives there. We just came to Norway in october. I am not a first timer in thai. I have been there for years and also made sure we have had some good business there through my gf.

We deceided to go to Norway to give birth as I had not even been back home for 2 years. In the past family and many friends came down to us. If not going here now and I dont think I would be able to go back before spring/summer -08. Then it would be almost 4 years away from Norway which I just thought was just too long. We have the -07/-08 high season to get ready for and we have a lot to do. Thats the reason why.

And I do want to get back to our homes, and my 6 personal vehicles as I am crazy about cars, bikes and mods! Gives one pretty much a reason I think.

I just hear too much moaning and things like roadblocks. My advice, go over or around them.

Where there is a will, there is a way. Live after these rules and it makes you happy!

Now I am going to sort out the thai birth certificate at the embassy for the litte one.

Where would the best place for us to apply for a thai birth certificate and a thai passport for our 6 week old son?

Mother is thai and I am not. Our son was born in Norway.

Any difference in getting a thai birth certificate here vs thai?

Is it even possible to get a thai passport for a small baby like he is?

What papers needed if doing it here?

What papers needed if doing it in thai...and translations?

We are going back to Thailand in mid april to live there. We can expose our going back with some weeks if any point of doing so. The best would of course be if he travelled out of Norway as a thai, not having to think about visarun with him. I guess if doing it all in Thailand this process doesnt take 3 months, still I have read someones posts it takes more time doing this process in Thailand when the baby is born outside of Thailand.

Correction on the burmese workers for the worse.

Not allowed to even POSSES a mobile phone

Not allowed to even DRIVE a vehicle.

81 Burmese arrested at wat chalong fair

No strange there are wars going on. <deleted> is wrong with you?

And what is this splitting up everyones postings all over the forum, and trying to give an answer to each and every sentence in ones post?

You must have a serious problems to see the bigger picture in things.

Considering your answers its not hard to understand that you want Thailand to be exactly the way you want it to be. You want Thailand to be tailored just the way it suits you and your needs best.

You know what... IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT.

You say; ”I am not interested in discussing AGAIN the Norwegian immigration laws.”

Who the f... brought up what benefits the Norwegian government granted my girlfriend?

It sure wasnt me. Now because the western countries visa subjects doesnt fit your battle against Thailand.... you juste easy skip this subject.

You`re just jumping back and forth as it suits you as always.

GET THIS; My girlfriendf would never had set a foot in my country if it wasnt for me or any another foreigner. If she did manage to come there as a tourist after all and she would only be given a permit to stay for a maximum 3 months, no matter what. After that not allowed into Norway or Schengen again within the next 3 months. If overstay by only 1 day, BANNED and NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER WITHIN THE VERY NEXT 2 YEARS.

Have you ever... even close to this experienced a similar situation as a tourist in Thailand.. Not even close!

Because Thailand is just the oposite of this and this is the reason for why you got the longtimers that after some years start claiming rights.

Imagine how Thailand would be if the borders were more open? Has this ever occured to you? I guess then your moaning would be about the borders being too open right.... and your life being shitty as the price on the condo you bought just dropped because of some shitty neighbourhood you ended up in.

The world is on the move mr BAF. Wake up and see the reality!

You talk about foreigners and their rights in Thailand. What rights do the thais got. Have you ever seen a thai living off of some welfare program. Yep thats how good the rights and welfare are.

If given a permanent residence and the rights to buy land only if being married to a thai,

and you dont need to be a rocket scientist to understand that Thailand would be THE country in the world with the highest numbers of scam-marriage. Is this so hard for you to get or what? Thailand is not about indefinitely stay and land rights.

Sure it would be pleasant for me, you and others to get all these rights but that does not in any way set the rules.

Be happy that you are from Italy with enough rights from before and not for example from Burma. Have you seen the last rules for the Burmese workers issued in Phuket. I guess not.

Not allowed outside after 8 o`clock in the evening without a representant from the company.

Not allowed to own a cellular phone

Not allowed to own a vehicle.

You would be good off living after these kinda rules for a period to understand that the world is not run after your personal needs and also never will.

And please stop that TAKING and GIVING ideology you`ve got on your mind. Then you have misunderstood the whole thing.

Haha.. I am just laughing! I ve read some of your postings and you`re just moaning around in this forum because this whole visa thing is getting on your nerves. I have never really felt the visa thing as a problem.

Look here at your post in "my visa run". You say;

"At the moment I'm living in the West (Italy) with my Thai wife and everything is just about perfect and moving back to Asia is just my "Plan B".

The ONLY remaining reason why I am still considering Thailand (where I have lived for an extended period of time) is because I know the lingo, the place and the people very well. It took a huge effort and I am not willing to start it all over again if at all possible.

But it now seems that even if I would still want to choose Thailand (notwithstanding all the very bad news coming of late and the bad changes I have witnessed in the last 5 years) I couldn't spend my time and my money in LOS since I am well under 50 and I would come to Thailand unmarried, with no need (and no will) to work and presumably with no intention of getting married again (and certainly not within the first 3 months...).

As things stand now, I would be undecided between the Philippines and Cambodia with Thailand completely out of the picture..."

If people read you posting it is obvious what is the reason for people like you moaning and complaining endless. You are just not strong enough or able to adapt to some minor change in rules. A huge effort....! What is that.. Did you not face any bigger challenges in life than moving back to Italy. All my foreign friends in Thailand who is real people never see this visa thing as a big problem.

Like "Casanundra" say in the thread "my visa run"; ** IF ** you want to stay you can find a way

And it obvious that you dont know your lesson. I will get a 12 monts Non-O married to a thai, possible to extend to 15 months.

Thats more than my gf got in Norway. And you know what. Because I am som well off I couldnt even get her to Norway.

I have NO income registered NO tax paid for maaaaaany years in Norway. Norway requires a minimum of +1.000.000 THB (180.000 NOK) in income for a Norwegian citizen to invite someone to stay for a maximum of 3 months on a tourist visa. A family member of mine had to apply to get her here.

We then had to beat the system by getting married in Norway, and then also... I had to GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A JOB. There is no way around this rule for getting her a 1 year visa. The law here requires a minimum of 3 months income (15.000 NOK x 3) to have the application approved. I worked for 2 months through a company I am the owner of. I showed a 4 times higher salary and applied after only 2 months on the bases of this high salary and my wife being pregnant.

Application approved, and I stopped working. I know work with changing diaper on my son and I love it!

You dont know shit about others countries and how the visa rules are there. One thing is for sure though. Neither in Italy or Norway you can come sloching in to the immigration being a citizen outside of EU, over 50 yrs old, with 800.000 THB and say; Hi I want to retire here!

Things are not just either BLACK or WHITE which is exactly how you look at things.

BAF, You are welcomed back when you are over 50 to retire and when the visa strain is not to much for you to handle.

Some good explaining you got there mr BAF. Actually they all pretty much stink. So why are you still in Thailand if you critizise "thats how good Thailand is"?

You have noticed the foreigners being there all year around for decades havent you.. Their not giving it up are they? Have you seen many been leaving lately because it so bad?

You just go back and moan about it if you think its so bad.

I said the 400 k was not an option anymore. Thats the whole reason for opening this thread.

Have you ever seen well off peoples annual statements, NO income NO tax paid. I guess not. After your philosofy they should be in for a nice little eye opener right.

I think you`re just sitting in a whole somewhere struggeling to keep your things together.

I still hear foreigners complaining about "thailand dont want us foreiners this and that....." just the same over and over again. I`ve been living in thailand for many years allready and I very well know my way around in this easy living country.

Nice peolpe

Always good weather

Superb kitchen

Best beaches

Cheap

Good infrastructure

Traveling

Little violence

Easy to start small business, which goes for most people

Beautiful girls

Fun and exciting capital

...and a lot more.

Overall I belive it beats most countries. Its as good as you make it yourself.

Dont come back if you`re not rich... What crap is that? The ones belive this to be true might look into ones personal economy and say; "DO NOT come here if you are as poor as me!"

The truth is that you dont need to be rich to live in Thailand. Its cheap to invest in some small business for your wife or gf to make money from. Its quite easy to open a company which will give you the visas you need or you can just travel in and out of Thailand like before just in a slightly different way.

There is NO country in the world where you can live a so good life for so little money. I also belive this to be the reason for why some people also are complaining a lot. Just because they cant keep up economically, they simply blame it on Thailand. They really dont want to leave is more the truth.

I belive visa rules should be tight in any country. Just because you travelled to Thailand and had a blast for some months, years, it does not give you the rights to stay there forever or to have the same rights as thais.

We have the same problem in Norway as with many other European countries. There is a lot of people here that we really wish had never come. Now there is no way back as our countries have changed radically. What I am thinking about is too many muslims with demands, muslim mosques everywhere, low cost foreign workers, street violence, criminal activities, rapings, muggings, drugs flowing in, russian-african-east european hookers, etc etc.. Its ten times more dangerous to move around down town Oslo in the evenings compared to Bangkok. Thats just shitty in a city with only +500.000 inhabitants.

I am supose to be from one of the best countries in the world, my economic situation is good, education is good, lots of good friends....... but I want live in Thailand. How do you understand that?? Real simple, for me its better than Norway.

Thats how good Thailand is

Yeah, maybe Thailand changed a little over the years, to be honest I think it is for a better future Thailand.

If you are serious about staying there, taking part in the thai society and culture, having a family there and it is a great country!

So under the above circumstances thai embassies around Europe issue Non-O visas as multiple entry.

Anyone with some experiance here?

He is a cute little boy in his fifth week and growing fast . Mother and son is just fine after the birth.

I guess they issue a Non-O in Norway, but can it be as a multiple entry visa?

And what about income or money in bank?

Our marriage we will register in Thailand as soon as we are back. We just married some months ago in Norway to get a one year visa for her and for our son to get all the legal rights.

We have been in Norway for some months now to have our baby born. We got married when being here and the 3 of us are returning to Thailand in a couple of months.

I am under 50 years old and can only show an income of 15 k per month. I can show enough money in the bank but as I understand this is not an option anymore.

So in my situation, is the only thing I can get a 90 days Non-O single entry from the thai embassy in norway?

What is the best visa I could obtain in my situation. I would of course want to have a one year multiple entry visa. Where to go or what steps could I take to obtain that?

Bring the money in as cash. If your money is legal just make sure you can prove it if questioned by aussie officials when leaving Australia.

When you get to Bk you change your money in the black market. There are several places to do this. The one with the best rate is identical to a small bank branch just without ATM, bank-book update machines etc.

This little bank is as safe as any other bank to do exchange in and you will get a better exchange here regardless of where went.

It has armed guards, not only one guard which is the case of a standard sized branch in Thailand. Its owned by high ranking police in Bangkok. It has a counter with some 10 people behind, seats on rows to sit down in if busy, money counting machines etc.

Thais have deposit money in this system for decades and its quite normal seing thais deposit several milions at a time.

You will probably see more millions being counted and handled around in here on your 10 minute visit than in any other normal bank branch.

So once again it has bee proven that the power lies with the military in Thailand.

Democracy had a chance for 15 quiet years, and people have failed her. The toy has been taken away.

HUGE loss of face internationally. Not for anyone in particular, but for the whole country.

Right on Plus! Good point

Its the army which is the real supreme court here. Only the most serious offends ends up there every decade or two, is dealt with and determined once and for all.

It really would have been a problem to oust a man like taksin democratically.

I think this was pretty much the only way of doing it and also the the right timing before he got to tamper with more things.

Even before the new visa rules have been put into action they`ve stopped the riff raff from coming back.

Thats Amazing Thailand!