April 20 to April 26 inclusive. during which you can go in person and should not get a late fine. Note the inclusive counting, and that April 20 is part of both periods.  Beware that the office (but not online) will likely be closed several days around April 13 for the water splashing holiday -- best not to leave it until the last minute.

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

You can do it in person up to 15 days early.

It's due on the 20th.

So do it between April 5 -April 10. 

It's not "up to 15 days early". There is a 15 day period ending on the due date, April 6 to April 20 inclusive, during which you can report online, and also go to the office in person. If you try on April 5, online should refuse you because that is too early, and it is remotely possible to be refused in person then. There is a 7 day grace period,

It used to be that you had to prove you were a U.S.A. resident to get a "My SSA" account, which was obnoxious as they started deleting pages from their web site because you could just use My SSA (but not if you lived in Thailand!!!!!). There are now 2 ways to set up My SSA from overseas, one of which is tedious but actually works, and their staff were friendly and helpful. Then at any time you can check your exact SSA and Medicare amounts; note that both of these typically get adjusted in January. You may also be able to switch direct deposit of your SSA yourself from here in Thailand.

 

When I retired a while ago, and set up SSA through the Manila service bureau, the best way to get monthly SSA into Thailand appeared to be through Bangkok Bank NYC. I needed to go downtown to their main branch to set up that account and a regular savings account. I prove I am still alive by going to the nearby shopping mall branch and showing my passport and passbooks to the manager whenever I want to transfer some amount from NYC to the savings account (which then has no restrictions). It takes a few minutes. On usually the fourth of the month I get an SMS

 

   Thursday, January 4 15:42 SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTR has transferred THB<amount> (USD<amount> @ 34.31 - THB<amount>) into <account>

 

But Jul 3 probably because of Independence Day, Sep 1 probably because Monday the 4th was Labor Day, and Dec 1 probably because of the long Thai holiday for King Rama IX. Usual arrival between 13:00 and 17:00. The first amount in the SMS should reconcile with the pair of dollar amounts that My SSA tells you, the second amount is BBL converting to baht (XE web site was saying 34.4 on that day), and the third amount is a percentage transfer fee (but THB200 minimum, THB500 maximum). Thai baht exchange rate has been a yo-yo for quite a while.

 

What is best may radically change this year because of the government's new tax on all money brought into Thailand, but still no details on that, so either they are not able to get their act together, or it will be such bad news that they are hiding the facts as long as possible.

 

<a href="https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/rad-na/">Rad Na: The Most Underrated Thai Noodles - Recipe & Video</a><br>

 

quoting from this article: The name refers to the pouring (raad) of the gravy onto the "face" (na) of the noodles.

 

Note that in the south, the pronunciation of the letters L and R is often interchanged, yielding "lad na". "moo" is pig or pork.

A group called Sustainable Mai Khao was checking one of the northwestern beaches in the national park Friday afternoon and found first a long oil slick, and then "sticky tar balls". So far reported in local English news at 6 beaches, as far south as Patong.

So each of these tourists, every man, woman and child, will spend an average of B81,752 on the trip. About B327,000 for a family of a couple and 2 children. Assuming that the parents pay for the family hotel and meals and stuff, what additional things will each of the 2 children spend about an average of B80,000 on?

3 hours ago, KannikaP said:

What are you talking about please?

Ask Google about the word game "wordle", a current craze on the Internet. According to the official "Let's Spend the Whole Day Arguing Instead Of Playing Scrabble" dictionary, there are 79 answers in English.

sab sac sad sae sag sai sal san sap sat sau saw sax say saz sea sec see sei sel sen seq ser ses set sev sew sex sez sha she shh shi sho shy sib sic sim sin sip sir sis sit six ska ski sky sly sob soc sod soh sol som son sop sos sot sou sow sox soy soz spa spy sri sty sub sue suh sui suk sum sun sup suq sus swy syn

What's a 10 letter word for "Spielverderber"? 

 

Of course, Microsoft Windows users have a problem with this sort of thing:

I had been trying desperately to get vaccinated, getting broken web sites, or ones that would not SUBMIT, or that ran out of appointments 5 minutes after the site opened, or that crashed two minutes after opening, or that said "Falang. Falang cannot. Only Thai." in the fine print,or called you at the last minute and cancelled, or no response at all ever, or .....

 

The 14th thing I tried was an apparently well written website,, where everything worked, and a couple days later an SMS told me to go to Vachira hospital (the main government hospital on the island) on September 9, apparently a one day affair. I picked 10 a.m., and everything went smoothly (except the 9 a.m. appointments ran a little overtime). I left with a first dose of Pfizer and an appointment for October 3. I thought the Vachira staff were pleasant, professional, and well organized.

 

Last week I got an SMS, apparently because of one of the three Bangkok Phuket Hospital offers I tried that did not work. The mini-URL in it (which now responds "Dynamic Link Not Found") had radio buttons to pick an appointment time on Wednesday October 22 and a SUBMIT button. I asked a Thai friend to call the phone number in the SMS. He said that he was told that the organization behind the SMS was the same as the one that set up the Vachira session, but different, and that they told him that I should just ignore the SMS from last week. Which I did. Hopefully I am still on the list for Vachira on 21-10-03.

 

If one of the BHP programs finally got things sorted out and was finally ready to do vaccinations, but was by reservation only, no walk-ins allowed, then you are not likely to have seen it advertised anywhere. How many people had given up on them by then and blew off the Wednesday session, that someone else might have been glad to have? Well, T.I.T.

Thailand is also doing "shrinkflation". For example, I noticed today that a can of aritificial potato chips has gone from 110 grams to 107 grams. And the local Big C wants 7 baht more for it.

 

15 hours ago, webfact said:

They have received just 80 bookings for flights to the island from Bangkok for the next FOUR MONTHS.

 

They have three flights a day to the island connecting to international flights into Thailand.

This is a feature, not a bug. They are tired of being ridiculed when a "tourist" gets infected right on the plane flight, before even setting foot on the ground in "safe and secure Thailand." Now, under the new policy of a single tourist on the average of every day and a half, one tourist every four or so flights, that can no longer happen! Brilliant solution.

9 hours ago, boboi said:

Today Wed 07 Jul 2021, 1356hrs

 

Checked the website and downloaded the receipt of notification with next notification date as 06 Oct 2021.

You reported using the online web pages about 2 p.m. this afternoon, July 7, and got a new report date of October 6. But 90 days inclsive from July 7 is October 4, not October 6. Something else is wrong here besides the "overstay".

So, there have been no really wild huge estimates, huh?!?

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1221287-foreign-arrivals-in-july-146000-and-ten-times-more-by-december-says-transport-minister/

.

On 7/5/2021 at 10:28 AM, stevenl said:

There has never been a hype, it was always meant to be a slow start, a trial. Only in the mind of posters here were huge numbers announced for the start of the program, there were not.

 

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/tat-looks-forward-to-welcoming-129000-foreign-tourists-to-phuket
2021/05/13
"The Tourism Authority of Thailand says it expects 129,000 tourists to arrive on the southern island of Phuket in the first 3 months of its re-opening. ... TAT governor Yuthasak Supasorn expects around 30,000 – 40,000 tourists a month, through Phuket’s sandbox model, with the primary target being long-haul markets. According to Yuthasak, 7-day packages in Phuket will be on offer for a somewhat eye-watering 150,000 – 200,000 baht per visitor, a significant increase on the 50,000 baht average spending per trip prior to the pandemic."
129000 arrivals over 3 months is 43,000 a month.
92 days in July through September ("third quarter", or 31+31+30) is 1402 per day. Early on it was 1,500 per day.

 

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tourism/14-day-phuket-stay-cuts-predicted-sandbox-arrivals-in-half
2021/06/10
"The government still hopes to attain its goal of 129,000 international travelers in the third quarter of 2021, despite cutting the estimation of arrival in July from 29,700 to only 14,850 after blow-back from the 14-day rule. They believe that an increase of arrivals in August and September will allow them to still reach that goal."

14,850 is exactly half of 29,700.
129,700 minus that half is 14850 for July.
14,850 in 31 days is 480 per day.
129,000 less 14,850 actual in July leaves 114,150 needed in August and September.
114,150 in 61 days (31+30) 1,871 per day.

Is it reasonable to expect a jump from 480 to 1,871?

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thai-tourism-set-sluggish-reboot-phuket-stutters-sandbox-2021-06-18/
2021/06/18
"The government hopes the Phuket Sandbox will draw 129,000 visitors to the country in the third quarter - a far cry from the average 3.3 million monthly arrivals to Thailand in 2019. Typically, a quarter of Thailand's visitors go to Phuket. ... The island's hotel association has projected a gradual increase in occupancy to 30%-40% towards year-end, rising from 10%-20% over July-October, which includes local bookings."

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/tourism-authorities-expect-600-000-tourists-from-phuket-sandbox-80406.php
2021/06/20
"Phuket Governor Narong Woonciew said the TAT predicted about 129,000 foreign tourist arrivals and 500,000 Thais will visit Phuket between July and September, said a report by state news agency NNT."

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/tat-revises-down-phuket-sandbox-arrivals-estimated-revenue-80480.php
2021/06/28
"According to an official report of the meeting, TAT Governor Yuthasak explained that the TAT now expects 100,000 foreign tourist arrivals during the third quarter this year, down 29,000 on estimates given as recently as last week. The 100,000 foreign tourists are expected to generate B8.9 billion for the Thai economy, Mr Yuthasak said."
100000/(31+31+30)=100000/92=1,087
88900000000/100000=8890000
88900000000/600000=148167
"Of note, with the TAT now recognizing “person-visits” and not expressly domestic tourists, the expected number of domestic arrivals appears to now include people who travel to Phuket not just solely for tourism, and now shows an increase from the 500,000 expected domestic tourist arrivals during the third quarter just over a week ago."

So, has the government always lied by counting every delivery truck driver as a "tourist", or is this a new development?

 

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-thailand-pandemics-lifestyle-travel-36e1f45062ae6244c45bf88c997d4927
2021/07/01
"Fewer than 250 international travelers were expected on the first day compared to the initial target of 1,500."

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/flights-and-passenger-numbers-slowly-rising-in-phuket-sandbox
2021/07/04
So Phuket airport claims a maximum capacity of 330 flights per day.  There is no room for a second runway, which certainly cannot be ready this year, and no big space for another airport closer than Phang Nga.
330 flights in 24 hours is about 14 per hour.
14 flights in 60 minutes is about 4 minutes each.
But a plane needs to land and then take off again: 28 flights in 60 minutes is about 2 minutes each. Both of these are possible depending on things like wake turbulence and relative plane weight. 60 and 90 seconds apart is pushing it.

108,791 people per day
If in a normal year Phuket gets 3,300,000 people per month, in 3 months that is 9,900,000 people, or in 91 days about 108,791 per day. The more recent expectations quoted above are about 1% of that. The actuality of about 300 or 400 per day is a fraction of that 1%.
About 108,791 people on 330 flights is slightly less that 330 per airplane. Possible, depending on the airplane used.

 

So, back and forth among estimates over the months of 1,500 or 1,400 or 480 or 1,871 or 1,087 or 250 or ...

2 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

it specifically states after two jabs…..many people have had only one and nothing is mentioned about the efficacy after one jab.

 

Covid-19: Chinese vaccines may need changes to improve efficacy, admits official

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n969 13 April 2021

A study of the Sinovac rollout by the University of Chile reported that the vaccine was 56.5% effective two weeks after second doses were administered in the country. However, they also reported that one dose was just 3% effective (rising to 27.7% within two weeks of the second dose, and 56.5% two weeks later).5

Chik H, Baptista E. Chile covid-19 vaccination drive adds to Sinovac efficacy data. South China Morning Post. 9 April 2021. www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3128886/chile-covid-19-vaccination-drive-adds-sinovac-efficacy-data

 

https://thailand.prd.go.th/more_news.php?cid=2&filename=index

Thailand reports that 8,657,423 doses have been administered, equivalent to 12% of the population. The target for June is 10 million doses. In Bangkok, 19.5% of its population has already received the first dose of vaccine, while almost 9% have received the second dose. The rate of vaccination in Phuket is progressing very well, with 63% of its population already vaccinated with the first dose, while almost 50% have received the second dose. (25/06/2021)

multiple pages only in Thai

 

https://www.aoporsmartpier.com/

the "first smart pier in Thailand"? tours and boat charter?

https://www.facebook.com/aoporsmartpier/

Ao Por Smart pier is the first one in THAILAND that implement SMART technology to enhance customers travelling experience and safety.

 

search the Bangkok newspaper that does not exist for a December 22 article about the Thai prime minister visiting the "first smart pier in Thailand", which has vending machines, a schedule board like at airports, and solar lighting, for new electric ferries that will run on the river in Bangkok. It turns out that all ferries will be replaced by electric ones; the government has "partnered" with one manufacturer.

 

6 hours ago, Sheryl said:

At this point vaccines are not available to the general public, period.  Once they are we do not yet know what the distribution plan will be for the public sector (of which Red Cross is a part). However the plan seems to be to have people register online via an app soon to be released by the Health Ministry. Presumably they would then be referred to a specific location. Might be hospitals, or clinics, or mass vaccination sites, we don't know yet.

<a href="https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/confirmed-expats-in-phuket-will-receive-covid-19-vaccines">Confirmed, expats in Phuket will receive Covid-19 vaccines | Thaiger</a><br>

Thaiger, April 1, 2021

"Officials confirmed yesterday that expats in Phuket will be included and receive Covid-19 vaccines as part of the Thai government’s vaccination scheme." (not a word in the article about cost, to either Thai or foreigner)

 

"A new online form launched today and Phuket’s Vice Governor advised that initial appointments will be made online only."

 

"Phuket will receive the Sinovac vaccines this month, and AstraZeneca doses as well, suitable for those over 60 years of age, in June."

 

"About 20,000 workers from 700 businesses have registered so far. The registration is available online, along with a separate site for local residents to register, which went live last Tuesday morning. People who registered previously through the Phuket Provincial Public Health Office’s Google Form do not need to re-register."

 

links to the original form, a form for residents to use, a form for businesses to use

 

"All these forms are in Thai only currently."

 

 

 

<a href="https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/health-ministry-launches-mobile-app-for-booking-vaccine-appointments">Health Ministry launches mobile app for booking vaccine appointments | Thaiger</a><br> Friday, April 2

 

"Next month, the Thai government launches the “Mor Prom,” phone app, which will allow people to make an appointment for a Covid-19 vaccine." I didn't see anything in a search of the Google Play Store, so likely they will throw something out later.

 

"We need to create herd immunity to prevent another outbreak and revive our economy. To do so, we do need to get the vaccine to at least half of our population." Most numbers I have seen say 70%. I have seen a statement by Dr. Fauci that this value was from the early days, and if he had to guess now with much more data available he would have said more like 90%. But the Public Health Ministry here is claiming 50%? Falang. Falang no understand Thai math.

 

"The app should be available from May 1 and users can choose appointment slots from June in order to receive a free vaccine at designated state hospitals and public health centres."

 

"Other channels are being developed for those who don’t have a phone that can download apps."

 

"Those who receive 2 doses of the vaccine will automatically receive a digital vaccine certificate via the Mor Prom app. This can be displayed later at any hospital in order to apply for an International Travel Health Certificate."

 

6 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Private hospitals will offer vaccines as well (no info yet on when or which vaccines) and some of them already have waiting lists you can get on.

I wonder if they are keeping paper lists, and when a vaccine becomes available you will have to register for an appointment in an online system, which if it requires a 13 digit Thai ID number, or IS the Thai government system, again excludes all foreigners.

 

How long must foreigners wait for this (last in line behind Thais?), how much will it cost (hospitals can legally overcharge foreigners by five times their Thai price), etc.

 

One advantage might be that if multiple brands of vaccine become approved by the Thai government, and at least one private hospital imports and distributes the brand you want, you can get your own choice of vaccine (possibly if you are willing to pay "at any price").

18 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Still can't ping      extranet.immigration.go.th [118.174.40.243]

>nmap -O extranet.immigration.go.th
Starting Nmap 7.91 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2021-03-28 02:53 SE Asia Standard Time
Nmap scan report for extranet.immigration.go.th (118.174.40.243)
Host is up (0.044s latency).
Not shown: 997 filtered ports
PORT    STATE  SERVICE
80/tcp  open   http
113/tcp closed ident
443/tcp open   https
Device type: general purpose
Running (JUST GUESSING): Linux 4.X (85%)
OS CPE: cpe:/o:linux:linux_kernel:4.0
Aggressive OS guesses: Linux 4.0 (85%)
No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal).

OS detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at https://nmap.org/submit/ .
Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 13.94 seconds

>

 

The machine is up, listening for regular web page requests on port 80, and for secure web page connection requests on port 443. When a browser sends a request, the web application package tries to do the work, discovers it cannot get to its database, and sends back the "failure of web server bridge" message.  Well, it would, except for the additional problem of an expired certificate. If you force an old style, plain insecure connection to port 80, no certificate check is attempted, the bad certificate is not noticed, and you get a terse version of the "temporarily closed for maintenance" message.

>telnet extranet.immigration.go.th 80
GET /

 

Service maintenance !!

Connection to host lost.

>

 

OK, I found the TVF posting from last year, that I was remembering. Immigration let their security certificate expire on November 22 last year, just like now.They finally renewed it a couple days later. According to Excel, exactly 90 days after November 22 is yesterday, when Advocate and others started noticing the security error messages. Apparently, back then they only renewed it quarterly, rather than for a full year. So they are saving money. B29.08, to be exact, according to the xe.com web site. How many Chinese submarines will that buy? How many Smart BMWs, remember them?

 

Old western joke:

    "Is that a real diamond ring?"

    "If not, I've been cheated out of 29 cents."

 

If they are paying 90 days at a time, maybe they do not expect to exist after May 21. Will they have voided all the immigration laws by then, and have no need of enforcement? Or will they have deported every single foreigner by then? Or ..... ?

 

So, thanks to Thailand's advanced technology, you now will have a choice of why you can't get things done. If they buy another dollar's worth of security certificate, the (in)security error messages will go away, but you will still not be able to do TM30 and TM47 reporting because the back end server will still be dead. Whereas, if they reboot against the "bridge" problem in the server cluster, you will still get the security certificate hassle.

 

1 hour ago, Advocate said:

 

It still does not progress further if you bypass safety warnings and proceed to site.

If you run a web server, best practices say to set up authentication. When you install a web client or "browser", it usually comes "out of the box" with the information about the major "certificate authority" companies. Then the technicians who maintain web servers buy a certificate (or more commonly, rent one for a year at a time) for the server from one of the big companies, and install it in a certain place on the server. Your browser normally demands this certificate at the start of talking to a server, and checks whether it has been validly made by one of the big authentication companies (cha-ching! for a price, of course), before it will work with the server. You can be a "cheap charlie" and not buy a certificate, but then not many browsers will want to talk to your server. When the annual lease is about to expire, the big company starts hassling the server administrator with e-mails about sending more money. If you don't pay up, you don't get a new certificate valid for another year. The design of the certificate stuff tries to make it so difficult that only the big companies, not hackers, can make certificates. You just buy them.. This is a trivial task, requiring little brain power. But, we are in Thailand.

 

Didn't this same nonsense just happen a little while ago? "Agents" for the RTP constantly extort enough to buy BMWs, but immigration cannot cough up  few bucks for a necessary security item?

 

Come to Thailand and spend money!!! You might remember that one of T.A.T.'s fantasies about "luring" rich, "well heeled", high spending tourists, in spite of the Covid-19 pandemic, was its "safe and secure Thailand" slogan. Yes, your browser will let you bypass its warning and proceed. But it's usually a bad idea. You trust T.A.T. so much, that you feel protected when they wrap a "safe and secure Thailand" piece of toilet paper around the toilet in the hotel room. And now, you're going to similarly trust immigration, no matter what <deleted> is in their server toilet. Up to you, I guess. This is Thailand.

 

 

 

a quick Google:

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from <a href="https://support.oracle.com/knowledge/Oracle%20Cloud/2315148_1.html">Error "Failure of Web Server bridge: ' No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent.' " When Accessing Products</a><br>:

 

 

Error "Failure of Web Server bridge: ' No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent.' " When Accessing Products (Doc ID 2315148.1)

Last updated on DECEMBER 03, 2020

APPLIES TO:

Primavera Unifier Cloud Service - Version 17.7 and later
Primavera P6 Enterprise Project Portfolio Management Cloud Service - Version 17.12.4.0 to 17.12.4.0 [Release 17.12]
Information in this document applies to any platform.

SYMPTOMS

When attempting to login to environments, the following error occurs.

ERROR

Failure of Web Server bridge: No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent.

Attempt to connect to any connected environments.

 

Your connection is not private

 

Attackers might be trying to steal your information from
extranet.immigration.go.th (for example, passwords, messages, or
credit cards).

 

NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID

 

This server could not prove that it is extranet.immigration.go.th;
its security certificate expired in the last day. This may be caused
by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.
Your computer's clock is currently set to Sunday, February 21, 2021.
Does that look right? If not, you should correct your system's clock
and then refresh this page.
 

11 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Did you read the 2 posts before yours?

It is temporary and may be working tomorrow. Try again tomorrow.

You can do the online report up to the day your report is due.

 

I was looking around a couple hours ago to document some things (like "This page can't load Google Maps correctly.") and noticed that the "Failure of Web Server bridge" message was still there for TM47 and TM30 reporting,  but the main site

        https://www.immigration.go.th/

was overlaid by the image below (if you don't speak Thai, a translation is "Értesítés a felújítás ideiglenes bezárásáról Elnézést a kellemetlenségért"). But the main page underneath the dialog box seemed to work OK. So if you can't get in, it's probably worth it to keep trying.