Bangkok Basha
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Always at Chang Wattana (Bangkok), where I've rented and lived for 5 years.
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In 3 years of renewals of Extension of Stay, I've never once been asked for a TM30, and I've never had my landlord fill out one either. I always present a copy of my most recent rental receipt and a copy of my lease, but that's all. Has something changed, and should I anticipate an issue with this when I renew next July?
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This isn't really "only with bank statements". The writer also had an embassy affidavit, which is business as usual. Nothing new here. I'm waiting to see what happens in six months when the last affidavits issued by the U.S. embassy expire, and applicants have ONLY bank statements to work with.
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There is no such thing as a "Family Support Unit", Counselor. Nor has there ever been such a thing here in Bangkok. There is and always has been the American Citizen Services unit of the U.S. Consulate, which serves the passport and affidavit notarization needs of U.S. citizens. The embassy has decided, for good reason, that they can no longer be put in the position of notarizing potentially fraudulent statements for whatever purpose, especially when it concerns income declarations. If there are other embassies where ACS notarizes income affidavits, I'm sure they are also reconsidering it and will also cease doing so. The extra time required to verify income exceeds the capacity of the staffing of the unit. As the website clearly states: Services we CANNOT provide:
- Statements beyond the Consular Officer’s knowledge: e.g. that the document satisfies specific a legal requirement, that a person is the spouse of another, or an individual is an employee of a certain business or corporation.
In any case, anyone who is not happy with this outcome can very easily demonstrate the required monthly income transferred to Thailand (if they have it) or the required amount deposited in a Thai bank. Since this is what we have all been swearing before the consular official to obtain the affidavit, I don't see what the problem is (unless of course you don't have the assets or income required).
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I use TransferWise to wire monthly deposits equal to or greater than THB 65,000 to my Bangkok Bank savings account, and plan to do so until my next extension of stay request next summer. The fees are much lower than other means of transferring, and are a tax-deductible expense (I pay U.S. income taxes) as the cost of living here and maintaining my residence. I don't want to park THB 800,000 (currently around $25k) in a low interest, or no interest Thai saving account.
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The thing is, the U.S. embassy has never offered a letter verifying your income. They simply notarize an affidavit that you have stated, in their presence, that your monthly income is so-and-so. When I first arrived here, I tried to have them notarize a form from Bangkok Bank and/or a letter my U.S. bank, but they declined, saying that they had no way of verifying the accuracy (or truth) of the letter. They would only use their own affidavit form notarizing only my own statement. So the embassy has not been abusing anything. The burden is on the applicant for stating the truth. The Thai authorities have simply overlooked this technicality for decades, and apparently only recently decided that actual proof would be required. Since the embassy has neither the manpower or the resources to verify income statements, they will no longer be notarizing affidavits. Either you transfer THB 65,000 into Thailand, or deposit THB 800,000 in a fixed account. Pretty simple, really.
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Consular outreach in Phuket is provided by the American Citizen Services unit of the Consulate in Bangkok, so this will apply anywhere that they conduct outreach services (Pattaya, Phuket, etc). People thinking that the grass is greener elsewhere should look at what Malaysia requires. Applicants over 50 have to show liquid assets over RM350,000 ($83,842) , and a monthly income over RM10,000 ($2395.00). They must make a fixed deposit in a Malaysian bank of RM150,000 ($36,000). (Applicants who receive a government pension used to be exempted from making any fixed deposit although recently this exemption is no longer being given). A $5000 bond is also required to be posted. Whether this is refundable or not I don't know. Thailand has set the bar much, much lower for us.
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Bank documentation for income/cash method
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A previous post on this Forum mentioned the name of the specific letter that Bangkok Bank will issue to account holders showing international (foreign) transfers for the past 12 months in order to provide this to Immigration showing monthly transfers meeting the THB 65,000/month minimum. Can someone please remind me what that letter is called? Thanks in advance.