RayC

???? Same old, same old. When it is clearly shown - and you realise - that your premise and/or argument is flawed, you accuse the person who has challenged you of being disingenuous, rather than either admit your mistake or simply let it drop.

If this is what it's like when Australia win, Christ knows what it will be like if they lose!

If they are caught then they should be prosecuted. Why is that relevant? And if it is, what is the difference between the situation pre- and post-Brexit?

Police officers killing individuals for avoiding arrest for an apparently minor offence does not bode well for society

If an employer is honest, they are obliged to deduct tax and NI contributions from their employees. The nationality of the employee is therefore irrelevant. Verstappen won another Grand Prix and England lost another cricket test yesterday. Just a simple comparison.

A very mature reaction! You asked why EU nationals might be less inclined to immigrate to the UK post-Brexit. I gave you some reasons. Hardly my fault that this doesn't fit your narrative. What is the relevance of this comment? What have the requirements, which Thailand places on ex-pats got to do with a discussion about the UK and EU? (And before you go off on another tangent, I'm aware that this is a Thai based forum). Obviously but that doesn't explain why you imply that evading tax and NI contributions were less scrutinized when the UK was an EU member compared to post-Brexit.

Which sounds something like my own upbringing. Maybe I was a bit naive - given that the SPG were operational in South London, and they were seemingly a law unto themselves - but the thought never crossed my mind that I might end up dead at the hands of the police. I simply can't understand how it can be considered acceptable for a police officer to act as judge, jury and (literally) executioner in a case where a relatively petty crime may have been committed.

What was preventing HMRC investigating matters if 'cash-in-hand' payment jobs were considered a major problem when we were in the EU? I would have thought that the answer was obvious. The freedom to move as and when the individual wants, without restriction, without administrative costs (financial and time) and the ability to arrive in a country and then search for a job and move between jobs (I e. have the same rights as nationals), is a lot more attractive than having to jump through administrative hoops (e.g. find a job and sponsor in advance) with possible additional financial costs to the individual.

And yet you still continue to engage in a discussion with me? What is weird is burying your head in the sand and not considering the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the wrong decision was reached and that we might consider changing it. Thanks for the advice. The wife retires in a couple of years and that's one of the options. You seem to think that the Single Market has ceased to exist? Just to be clear, freedom of movement still operates for the nationals of the remaining (no pun intended) 27 member states. The UK in its' wisdom decided that it would be a good idea to limit the job opportunities available to its' nationals. Thanks for caring. I'm pretty sure that one of the EU countries will have us if we decide that's what we want. Concentrate on your own mental well-being: You appear to have a problem coping with those who don't share your views. Thanks but a bit premature for that.

The police officer allegedly said, "I am going to shoot you in the head". Whether this is true and/or whether the officer intended to kill doesn't alter the fact that a young man has ended up dead. It appears from your posts that you think that this is a perfectly acceptable outcome?

Was there any indication that the boy would run over innocent people? Anyone driving erratically can be seen as a potential danger to pedestrians. Is it ok for the police to shoot them?

According to the data, to date Covid has affected the UK economy more than Brexit which, in turn, has had a greater effect than the war in Ukraine. (I've posted the supporting links previously. I can't be bothered to post the same thing every time the comment about Covid and the Ukraine war appears) I don't understand what effect Brexit has meant to have had on money laundering? Simple solution: If you find 'Us lot' boring, don't engage with or listen to us. Life's not too bad for me personally, but it was better when the UK was in the EU. It could be improved for me now by not having to deal with small but tedious and unnecessary irritations e.g. at border control when travelling to the continent. I understand that is not a good enough reason to reverse Brexit, but the on-going damage being done to the UK economy and the withdrawal of opportunities for future generations are. Neither is it helpful or constructive to ignore mistakes especially when they can be rectified.

Worked both ways. Brits in EU member states were entitled to the same benefits as locals when the UK was an EU member. I can't remember a post from any remainer denying that the Covid lockdowns, or the Ukraine war, has negatively affected the UK economy. However, there are a number of Leavers who - despite the wealth of evidence from reputable sources - continue to refuse to acknowledge that Brexit has had a negative economic effect on the UK economy.

I don't know how easy it was for EU nationals to get settled status, but it is not that straightforward for EU nationals to now immigrate to the UK, especially when you consider that pre-Brexit, the process was basically 1) buy flight/ Eurostar ticket 2) Remember to take ID card/ passport. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-information-for-eu-citizens

From the AA website: "Alcoholics Anonymous has only one requirement for membership and that is the desire to stop drinking. There is room in AA for people of all shades of belief and non-belief." I hope that you can find a solution(s) to your problem(s).

Not directly, no, but then what was the point of your post? Perhaps the police were justified in stopping the car but, so far, no evidence has been presented that justified killing the suspect. Let's hope so. The implication being what? It is clearly undeniable that some non-white young French men from urban areas are prepared to riot: The same is true of white, rural, middle-aged French men (The 'Gilet Jaune' demonstrations are an example of this). All the community or just a relatively small minority?

So therefore he deserves to die?

Peckham - and most of S/SE London - has been gentrified and, by and large, is now an ok place. It was still a bit of a <deleted>hole in the '90s, but even then that was an improvement on the '70s and '80s

How was a driver fleeing the scene presenting a threat to this police officer's welfare? No matter how petty the crime/ misdemeanor the perpetrator should accept that they run the risk of being shot?

I have no plans to commit a terrorist act but, if I were to do so, I think that leading up to the event I'd keep a low profile. A 17-year old ethnic Algerian driving a Merc with foreign number plates is hardly low profile. In any event, in the interests of consistency you will no doubt agree that it's understandable that a white shoplifter running down the street runs the risk of being shot by police in case they are a neo-Nazi intent of overthrowing the elected government. Won't always be the case but - by your line of argument - it must be a possibility.

So anyone who attempts to avoid arrest by driving off/ running away should be shot on the off-chance that they are a terrorist who happens to be carrying a bomb or gun?

My bad. Here's the latest figures which show how "well" the UK economy is doing. Imo little reason to put up the bunting just yet https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/april2023 The Eurozone economy has had two consecutive quarters of negative growth, whereas the UK has shown marginal growth over the same period, therefore Brexit is justified!? What about the previous 7 years since the referendum? No comment on the points raised in 'UK in a changing Europe' report? (link repeated for ease of reference) https://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-and-the-economy-what-do-we-know/ As you say, must be tough being proved wrong.

And this represents the UK doing fine? https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/january2023#:~:text=Monthly GDP-,Monthly real gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have,coronavirus levels (February 2020). As for falling off the cliff edge: Maybe not, but nonetheless a steady and continuous decline with little, if any, sign of the promised benefits of Brexit. https://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-and-the-economy-what-do-we-know/

That is a sensible and necessary first step. However, what happens if the banks and customers cannot sort out things between them?

An observation from which you draw a false conclusion. Argument in the logical sense of the word a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory. "there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal" If you say so.