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3 hours ago, Roy Baht said:

Tips for getting your IO's phone number and making your first phone call:

 

1. When you ask your IO for his/her phone number, speak slowly and clearly but not loudly. Make sure to make eye contact. After your IO has given you his/her phone number, simply say Thank you, and wai deeply.

 

2. Don’t call your IO immediately after getting his/her number: that will make you seem too eager. Wait a few days. On the other hand, don’t wait too long either: that will make you seem aloof and uninterested. Your IO doesn’t have time for games.

 

3. When you do call your IO for the first time, introduce yourself by your full name (middle name too) as it appears on your passport. Then ask: “Do you remember me?” Your IO will most likely say yes, out of shyness, even if he/she has no memory of you. Now is a good time to recite your passport number, slowly but clearly, one digit at a time.

 

4. After it has been established that your IO indeed remembers you (he/she has probably looked up your info and found your photo), remind your IO that you two have your next “date” in less than 90 days and that you can’t wait to see him/her again. If your IO feels the same way, he/she will remind you that you may report up to 15 days before your 90-day period expires.

 

5. Don’t keep your IO on the phone too long. Your IO has important work to do. And he/she may be hungry. Simply say, Good-bye, and wai deeply.

 

Good luck!

 

I just ask if I can have their number so that I can call to check if there is any Thai public holidays before I make the long drive to their office.

Can't ever remember giving a wai to an immigration officer.

Lots of snide and poisonous remarks on this forum. Terrible really.

Probably paid writers employed to generate conflict among members to keep the post count and page view numbers rolling along.

2 hours ago, wgdanson said:

I have never had the IOs phone number because I never asked or needed it.

 

I am not a boss or expert on his issue, but using my intelligence and experience, I try to help other members.

I am surprised you refer to the poisonous and troll posts when you've only been a member since last Wednesday.

 

And finally, I am NOT married, and usually go to the Immigration Office alone, and have a very good relationship with all the staff there.

How do you know you have a "very good relationship" with all the staff there if you don't speak Thai?

Because they smile at you?

Good Lord.

1 hour ago, wgdanson said:

Naaaah, can't be ar**d.

There we have it.

That's why you have never received a mobile number from an IO.

Interesting that you are posting like a boss on this issue and liking all the other poisonous and troll posts on this thread and you can't even speak Thai.

How the hell would you know what is going on at the immigration office when your Thai wife is the one doing all the talking for you.

I just did my last extension 40 days early.  At my office they allow 45.

Heard some offices offer 30.

Never (until reading the comments in this thread) heard of 60 days early.

This is just another example of what a mess the whole system is.

You can't even get clarity on a simple question like:

How early can I do my application?

Also please note that if you do apply early for your extension you will not lose any time of your old extension. That is, if you still have 1 month left on your current extension and you go to make a new application, the stamp you get will be dated 13 months into the future.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I agree with that. However, it is my guestimate that "some" will actually be a lot and it doesn't take much imagination to think of hundreds of scenarios where these new rules are going to be simply unacceptable and/or unworkable for many. Of course it's guesses at this point. I'm going to exclude those that were lying to embassies and also those using corrupt agents that couldn't qualify before. So of those remaining totally legitimate retired expats here,  my guestimate of those leaving by free choice or push is at least 20 percent but under 50 percent.

Also, totally absurdly the seasoning on steroids rule and virtual 400K untouchable virtual bond will result in many that will be staying spending much less in local businesses. Always the need to watch the seasoning levels and the 400K. All freakin' year! That is not retirement happiness and freedom. It's the opposite. 

 

(New people -- do yourself a favor and seek more welcoming nations for legalized retirement. There are many.)

 

Before this, I saw my "purpose" here as spending money. Now we're being strongly incentivized to spend less money! Crazy stuff. 

Another aspect of this that I consider outrageous and arguably inhumane is the 400K baht thing that could be seen as an emergency fund but if you have to hit it, then you become illegal. People -- think about how outrageous that is. Please. Emergencies happen. That alone I think rates as strong enough evidence that new people should avoid retiring in Thailand. I'm invested here so difficult to leave, but that's an example of how your welfare is regarded here. In effect -- it's not regarded. 

 

This is actually a step down from being regarded as a walking ATM. We'll still be seen as walking ATMS but at the same time also under onerous personal banking oversight. This is one reason I accuse people that cheer on these increasingly onerous rules and mock those that complain or can't comply as suffering from Thai expat Stockholm syndrome. 

I started this topic and for the record:

I have been here a long time

I'm not broke

I have never used an agent

I have always done all my extension applications myself

I speak pretty good Thai certainly enough to chat about my application with an IO

Please enlighten me as to why any of the questions or comments I have posted here are paranoid.

27 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They have bats now?

Now I'm really worried.

The IO field agents have guns.  Don't worry about bats.

4 hours ago, wgdanson said:

Why would I need his personal number. I can & have conducted business with him on a professional basis whenever needed.. 

 

The issue is not whether you need his number or not.

You were implying that I was lying about having the mobile number for an immigration officer.

I said it is easy to get such a number. Just ask.

Or do you not speak Thai after 10 years here.

42 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I think that is going way too far.

 

There was some sort of intent behind this other than trying to do away with all expats, but very poorly implemented.

 

Ineptitude and excessive haste - looks to me like the kind of thing that a "big honcho" would abruptly concoct on his own and, this being Thailand, would not  take the time to consult anyone for feedback and no one would dare tell him it wasn't going to work as intended. The excessive haste part likely has to do with the political ambitions and trajectory of the principal person behind this.  Wants to make a big splash solving a problem and tries to do so in a hurry without really understanding the ramifications or thinking through how it would be implemented.

 

Very, very annoying and more than a little disheartening but no call for paranoia, I think.

 

If you are married here, why not switch to a marriage extension?

 

 

With respect Sheryl, I used to think like you.

But I have seen a steady tightening of everything over the years.

Visa runners

Ed Visas roll keeping and immigration raids to check class attendance

No more triple entry tourist visas

Onerous new criteria for tourist visas

End of stat decs for income for extensions (not every embassy but the big 4)

Ridiculous extra requirements for retirement extensions: recent examples- Information sheet with details of vehicles, email and social media, with whom and where do you hang out; Hand drawn map (even though I am also required to provide 2 other maps printed from google (region and moobarn/street) and photos of me in front of my house; and this year a new I guarantee not to break any law form I had to sign.

And now these latest changes that have effectively doubled the amount required for a retirement extension from 800K to 1.6m.

Surely all of the changes listed above cannot be attributed to ineptitude.

I think the trajectory is clear.  They do not want us here.  And for sure they do not want us providing a nice house and life for our Thai partners. That messes with their sakdina.

I care not if I am labelled as paranoid. I view myself as prudent.

I will PM you to clarify why I am on retirement ext and not marriage.  I am loath to share any personal details in this thread as there are far too many poisonous and troll posters.

36 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Your deposit need to be in a bank deposit – long term fixed-period savings with higher interest is accepted – whilst mutual funds, property, or any other kind of investments cannot be used as it's considered speculation without a fixed value; it will likely not be accepted by your local Immigration Office, even fund books once were accepted by some Immigration Offices almost 10 years ago.

Hmm.  Did not not that bank mutual funds were once acceptable.  Anyone out there still using this method? Please report if you are.

I use a FCD.

4 hours ago, wgdanson said:

I actually DO live here, for 10 years, I DO have friends, and I visit an Immigration Office every 90 days, but I still do not have the IOs personal phone number, and it has been the same man for over 7 years.

10 years here. Ok. So you speak good Thai like me. 

Next time you go to immigration ask the "same man" for his mobile number.

Please report back with the outcome.

3 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Except that unlike a doubling of the amount, which would lead to people spending more money inside Thailand, this will not.

 

One of the factors behind this may have been the difference between what can be done via a Police Order and what would require a change in law. BJ can do the former  but not the latter.

 

However if the idea is to limit retirement visas to people with 1.6 million baht a year income, this is a poor way of doing that.  I think it is very badly designed/thought through.

I am struggling with the WHY?

Is it ineptitude, or is it malevolence?

For the sake of protecting my family and the life that I have built here with them I have to assume it is the later.

I am of the opinion that long stay expats here in Thailand are currently under siege.  Unfortunately, the mass of them, do not yet know it.

3 hours ago, Henryford said:

What Immigration are now basically saying is that you need a MINIMUM of 1.6 m in your thai bank. 800k to get your visa and 800k to cover any of these unforeseen problems.

Yes that is entirely correct. This latest ruling is a "defacto" doubling of the amount required to obtain a retirement extension.

If you look closely at the requirements regarding the 800K and the 400K the most optimistic take on it is that your require 1.2 m.

18 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

How would that happen? It would only happen if you did not renew your extension and did not leave the country.

You would declared you on overstay if your money went below 400k baht. There is no mention of that in the order.

And no mention to the contrary either.  

With respect Joe, you seem fine to trust that immigration will do right by me and my family.

I have zero evidence upon which to adopt your view.

2 hours ago, Rod the Sod said:

Ah look, I agree that it isn't easy and some things like local interpretation are a nightmare. There are others you mention like the cost of transferring funds and the proof of origination. Sorry, but if the cost of a handful of bank transfers is a deal breaker, then you are not yet ready to retire in LOS. Also, there is always documentation to prove origination of funds. If however the IO wont accept it then that is another matter altogether. Re opening Bank Accounts. Not so, if all is legit - just go the the Bangkok Bank website that sets out exactly what you need to do. Finally, transferring funds on death. Just make a will, lodge it and have done with it.

 

Too many people looking for excuses and reasons why not. Start to look for the positives. Tens of thousands have and still do make it work here by following the rules.

The manner in which you have replied to Sheryl's post is frankly offensive.

Do you know who she is?

3 hours ago, Pravda said:

 

What if a Farang that owns a home (or rather his wife, heh) also has the extended family to take care of? So, his cost will be higher than a single guy on pension renting out. Who the heck is going to make all these calculations? Don't most here complain about Thai bureaucracy?

 

They want money in the bank, plain and simple. You should stop dreaming about the different scenarios that will never happen and concentrate on fulfilling the immigration requirements.

 

What's the next thread? Immigration should accept my mom's bank balance?

 

 

Thank you for your helpful comments.

3 hours ago, catman20 said:

when you see all the low life farangs wondering aimlessly around Pattaya im surprised they dont double the required amount of money needed to stay here.

I started this topic.

Are you inferring I am a low life?

55 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

If you put 800'000 into buying a condo, what are you going to live off?

The income from my investments that I currently live off.

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Or you sell your house, go rent and have the 800K in the bank.

Impossible to sell a condo now.  Market already crashing and who is going to buy one now when immigration has waged all out war on long stay expats.

9 minutes ago, ravip said:

Does a Fixed Deposit account of 800K qualify for the visa?

Is it not compulsory that it should be a savings account?

This is another area that demonstrates the ineptitude of Thai immigration.

The correct answer is sometimes.

Every office has a different take on this.

Some accept a FD, some don't.

And the clarity on issues such this has never been improved.  

And now the waters are even muddier with this new police order.

Immigration loves grey areas and uncertainty.

It creates financial opportunity.

34 minutes ago, dcnx said:

Cambodia, Philippines, Ecuador, Mexico, Colombia, Peru, and Chile are reasonably priced. You can get citizenship in Peru in 2 years. Ecuador gives you 7% - 8% on the money you put in their banks for an investment / business visa. There are options, you just have to research. TONS of groups on Facebook for all of their countries full of helpful expats. 

Indonesia offers a 25 Year Visa for those that marry a local girl.

2 minutes ago, rott said:

Never felt the need for one, never had any problem.

 

Neither have I ever felt the need to get cheeky and call someone a liar.

You posted previously, and I quote:

Quote

Never knew anyone have an IO mobile before.

That was a snide and back handed comment.

It is very common for immigration officers to give their mobile numbers to long stay expats and other customers. 

If you actually lived here you would know that.

Unless of course you have no friends and have never visited an immigration office.

38 minutes ago, Surasak said:

It doesn't bother me, I have sufficient funds in a Thai bank to cover the requirements. I also have a reasonable income from pensions, building up in a UK bank A/C  which I occasionally draw from. My wife and I run a small business which keeps the family at a reasonable standard, nothing fancy but we wont' starve. In my twilight years I would hope that my family will look after me and give the same support as I have given them. I have every confidence they will do so. When deciding to move from ones home country, reasonable finances are required to do so and one must look to the longer term. Money is the root of all evil, but without it?

How did you get your work permit while on a retirement extension?