lazyguy

We are thinking of moving to Ban Chang, would that area be affected by 'fallout' from the industrial site?

If the wind comes from south-west, Ban Chang is safe but if it comes from east or south-east - as is right

now - you get the a good blast of Mataput air.

Just today we we were cruising around and looking for some more distant place to live. If you want to play

safe I guess the best close place to Ban Chang on the sea are the rare public beaches and villages between

the Queen Sirikit hospital and Sattahip.

Seba and Norris got out of jail yesterday evening around 6pm after a bail of 150.000 THB has been paid.

...and the court case date has been set to next Tuesday. I wonder under what circumstances this "court

case" will be held.

as long as no further forces will find their way to defend Seba & Norris in this case, the Thai authorities

might not dare to accuse them guilty without any piece of evidence and charging absurd punishment or

equivalent an absurd sum of money to prevent them going in again.

I hereby remember again that at least three witnesses of the "accused act" have not been interviewed

by the police. Even after insisting to be recognized as witnesses police officers just simply ignored them.

it looks like the Italian embassy is going to pay 150.000 THB to the Ayhuttaya court in order to release the two Italian nationals from prison soon.

I can confirm that the Italian Embassy is now in contact with the Thai lawyer who is on this case.

The Intellectual Property Department and Phuket Police on Monday jointly destroyed 217,686 items of illegal products worth Bt43 million....

....selling price or manufacturing price? The latter is more like 5% of the selling price = Baht 2,15million.

LaoPo

all this stuff is back in the shops in about 30-45 days

angiud , it's clearly s false statement the fact that the embassy left them without assistance. Without that statement Marco wouldn't have been "assaulted" by other expats...but as I told I don't blame you, you just reported a news and acted fairly, I blame those who believe unconditionally to the news and attack people accusing them of not doing enough...

ok, thank you for clarification! we are all interested in helping and as the first reaction of the Italian Embassy was not

very supportive there was a certain reason to be concerned about their help at all. I belive that the pressure grew quickly

by the calls they received from several people.

Angiud has at no time given a false statement. The Italian Embassy is obviously giving now the service which has not clearly

been promised in first stage. I am also positively surprised how quick the Italian Embassy is moving now.

let's put this thing to an end here and let's stay concentrated on what follows.

prison conditions:

Seba and Noris are depending on the very poor food in Ayutthaya prison: plain rice/congee and a cup of water every two hours.

every Ayutthaya prison inmate who wants better food has to pay 1,000 THB to the prison director from which the inmate can

buy food and other things for the double price as outside in the SHOP OF THE DIRECTORS WIFE!!!

nobody knows how much of the 1,000 THB actually arrive for being used by the inmates.

if we collect more examples of evidence how bad Ayutthaya police is treading human rights and abusing their position as

law guards the whole thing could be easy turning out to what it is: a smelly stinking bunch of corrupt cops who are considerably

damaging the already suspicious image of Thai police.

By the way of thing are going here it is not only obvious that this is a planned scam but also been carried out only by a small

group of policemen which are obviously covered by the rest of the Ayutthaya police team.

after Seba and Noris have not paid the "under the table offer" of 30,000 THB the cops were convinced of them paying the

"official" bail of 150,000 THB to get out. the cops are extremely pissed now that Seba and Noris have also refused to pay this

sum. honestly, I believe the Ayutthaya police is getting more nervous with every day of having Seba and Noris sitting in prison.

a friend of mine who has seen the Thai woman, which has caused all this trouble is going to make a photo of her. this is only

for documentation. but he says, that she has three or four shops in Ayutthaya running. I ask myself - if this is true - WHY DOES

A BUSINESS PERSON WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SCAMMING POOR TOURISTS?

The answer is simple and easy to understand, if you know this culture: GREED!

This friend who is also living in Thailand already several decades told me that in whatever situation here in TH someone accusing

someone else for somthing which has not been done - approach him the same way as you get "attacked". Not helpful for the

victims anymore but for readers: he said, if the Italians (at least one of them) would have stand up and would have shouted to

the woman that she is accusing them false and going even more far by grabbing her and slapping her face for lying about them,

the Thai woman would have possible left the scene within seconds as this would heve been one of the most unexpected reactions

by the victims. however, just a side note.

SEBA and NORIS are still in prison for a crime with no evidence. THIS IS A SCAM!!!

SCAM, day no. 5 - two Italian Nationals held under extremely bad conditions in Ayutthaya prison to extort money!!!

PERPETRATOR: Ayutthaya police in cooperation with a civilist!

Thailand, 09.02.2010

an italian who runs an italian restaurant in ayutthaya, contaced by angiud, has been today to the embassy, and they confirmed that they've always been in charge of the matter. Frankly I hardly think an embassy would leave a citizen without help in hese circumstances as there is also an agreement between italy and thailand for spending part of the time in te italian prisons over a certain time.

I don't know whether they are guilty or not, but there is always the perception i the expat communities that a foreigner in Thailand is cheated by everybody , even their own embassy..

This italian that has his own business to run and a family has been put under pressure for a false statement regarding the embassy.

I'm afraid that sometimes this is used as an alibi....(I repeat that I don't know in this particular case) and if for the police a foreigner is always guilty, it seems that for expats the forigner is always innocent and the embassies do nothing...

entirely redundant!

latest update:

the bail offer of 150.000 THB does not exist anymore. Seba and Noris have to face a court case.

a middlesman has presented an offer to organize releasing one of them for 200,000 THB.

the video of evidence has not left the bank yet. it is not on the way to a central office for copying

as it was said on Saturday. none of the bank staff has seen the video, none of them have asked by

police or recogniced a cell phone while they were processing the money draft last Thursday.

Seba and Noris are jailed for a crime for which no evidence has been presented yet. police investigations

have only noticed the victims statements and not one of a witness.

Any update?

The witnesses and a Thai lawyer have visited the prison today to check paperworks.

The two Italians could not been seen as the visit was outside visiting hours. The

witnesses will pay visit tomorrow during visiting hours again and will come back

with an impression of the physical and mental state of Seba and Noris.

We have official information that the Italian Embassy has sent out someone to

Ayutthaya to check on the case today. Contact to Italian Embassy has been

made and works. Thank you, Angiud! Your email seems to have had an influence

already.

Unfortunately Tourist Police can not do anything anymore because it has become an

official court case as we have been told.

tomorrow the witnesses have to investigate about the presentation of the evidential

video. one witness has got the impression (!) that the video of evidence will not

be presented anymore as the case has been officially opended. this needs to be

cleared and followed.

The situation is frustrating as we do not have any responce from other parties

which we have activated already.

For us it is easy to say that time will play for us but Seba and Noris are jailed

under bad conditions. It is to be expected that someone has to go regularly to

bring them healthy food and vitamines which they will not get in prison. Apart

from the possibility that this could give even more insight view to more corruptive

activities to be collected it is hard to accept, that TODAY in THAILAND

TWO EU-NATIONALS ARE BUSTED AND BAILED FOR 3,300 EURO FOR A CRIME

FOR WHICH NO EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PAID FOR YET!

The small group of supporting people are seriously thinking about bailing them

out. I think this is a good idea if it is been connected to an unexpected media

event which might lead to more public attention.

I will follow up the Thai medias and the Italian Embassy tomorrow morning again.

One frustrating thing is to face the fact that Sebas and Noris' chances for

compensation for this scam and their sufferings are close to zero, if not zero.

...but another much more frustrating thing for me is to see how it is possible

that things like this still can happen today, how much effort it costs to bring

things like this to the right persons ears and finally why does not see anybody

see the consequences from scams like this? One of many examples...

the one Italian who was seriously thinking about moving to here must have

strong faith into this culture if not changing his mind and his mate will possibly

also not have the best momories on his Thailand trip 2010.

no foreign money needed? no tourists needed? for me ok, but the slowly

growing middle class in Thailand will not give their D-Maxes and Vigos away

anymore.

if law cases are handled like this case in it's best example with a potential

chance to uncover criminal cooperation between official instances and cilvilists

for personal benefits and nobody cares if this happens or not it is a deeply

concerning public security issue.

There is a clear case there to claim and win some substantial damages if the video points to overwhelming innocence

According to the one witness who has seen pictures of the video sequence in the bank, he only saw as one of the Italians

took his passport from the table after the paperwork process.

According to the witness no cell phone could been seen on the video tape.

and have been accused for gang robbery at nightime (after 6 pm, higher case of criminal act), violating Thai law, paragraph 335(1) and 38

335 (1) is Theft at Night (after 6:00 PM) Western Union receipt should confirm the exact time

Imprisonment of one to five years, fines of two thousand to ten thousand baht

338 is Blackmail and does not even apply here to this situation at all

"Whoever, compelling the other person to give or agree to give oneself or the other person the benefit in the nature to be the property by threatening to disclose the secret, to cause injury to the compelled person or the third person, up to the compelled person to submit to the same, such person be said to commit blackmail, and shall be imprisoned as from one years to 10 years, and fined as two thousand baht to twenty thousand baht"

In order to be charge with Gang Robbery there has to be at least (3) people involved (SEE SECTION 340 FOR GANG ROBBERY)

338 and 340 Gang Robbery Do not even apply to your story of what happened to these 2 Italians

In order for these 2 to be charged with 338 or 340, either the charges are trumped and easily defeated as the law definitions above or else something happened that you are not away of in your story

ok, you got this paragraph wrong, no problem.

but thank you for much more valuable input in your last posting and sorry for my slightly agressive tone this morning.

the story is true as my mother and the last thing I need is general doubts. this story needs to go public as widespread as possible

to lead to further investigations.

last info: the handing out of the full resolution video of the bank to the police is to be expected on Thursday.

what a great f in scam !

thx for bringing this to our/my attention .

can someone please find out after how much of the 30k the girl was in for .

re: the italians ; can someone please tell them to try to negotiate the 30k down and if that doesn't work for them to just pay .

u c , that's how it works here .

too late to negotiate about 30k - the official bail has set now to 150k

A reporter of a newspaper is on the way to the police station and to jail to locate the Italians today.

Last information on the case is that police now highly recommends to pay the 150k quickly rather than opening the court case

facing up to 10 years in prison.

No sign of life of the Italians since yesterday 2 pm. Location: Ayuttaya prison.

The following information was wrong, sorry. I recall hereby the statement:

...police now highly recommends to pay the 150k quickly rather than opening the court case

facing up to 10 years in prison.

In fact this was only a conclusion after one of the witnesses has found out that the previous 30k "offer" does not exist anymore.

and have been accused for gang robbery at nightime (after 6 pm, higher case of criminal act), violating Thai law, paragraph 335(1) and 38

335 (1) is Theft at Night (after 6:00 PM) Western Union receipt should confirm the exact time

Imprisonment of one to five years, fines of two thousand to ten thousand baht

338 is Blackmail and does not even apply here to this situation at all

"Whoever, compelling the other person to give or agree to give oneself or the other person the benefit in the nature to be the property by threatening to disclose the secret, to cause injury to the compelled person or the third person, up to the compelled person to submit to the same, such person be said to commit blackmail, and shall be imprisoned as from one years to 10 years, and fined as two thousand baht to twenty thousand baht"

In order to be charge with Gang Robbery there has to be at least (3) people involved (SEE SECTION 340 FOR GANG ROBBERY)

338 and 340 Gang Robbery Do not even apply to your story of what happened to these 2 Italians

In order for these 2 to be charged with 338 or 340, either the charges are trumped and easily defeated as the law definitions above or else something happened that you are not away of in your story

who is talking here about paragraph 338???

WHAT DO YOU WANT???

you are intentionally misinterpretating my reports or simply not understanding the facts of it.

post what you want, I have no time for you.

what a great f in scam !

thx for bringing this to our/my attention .

can someone please find out after how much of the 30k the girl was in for .

re: the italians ; can someone please tell them to try to negotiate the 30k down and if that doesn't work for them to just pay .

u c , that's how it works here .

too late to negotiate about 30k - the official bail has set now to 150k

A reporter of a newspaper is on the way to the police station and to jail to locate the Italians today.

Last information on the case is that police now highly recommends to pay the 150k quickly rather than opening the court case

facing up to 10 years in prison.

No sign of life of the Italians since yesterday 2 pm. Location: Ayuttaya prison.

Nothing in the newspapers for something of this spectacular nature.

It's all brand new. This happens now. How can it be in the newspaper by now already?

In a Bank no less?

In front of the branch. Reading seems to have to do something with good luck obviously.

Do you think the bank would stand for letting their patrons get scammed inside the bank? Not me, not ever

What has the bank to do with it? Do you read or do you try to feel the words with your fingertips?

Why in the world would the Bank show a security video to a witness who is not even charged in the crime, let alone to a civil policeman?

Why not? If you insist on something, sometimes you can have good luck but you have missed also the correct formation of people involved

into this section.

The 2 Italians were filling out a Western Union form in PLAIN SITE of the Bank Employees or Western Union Employees, no?????

I have no idea about this particular detail.

It takes less than 1 minute to fill out the simple form to receive money at any Western Union in the world

What do you want to say with this? Is 1 minute not time? They have spend 10-15 minutes in that branch as it takes the service to check

identities and stuff. Your 1 minute calculation for the whole process fails.

Yet the Western Union Official did not come to their defense?

What do they have to do with it? I recommend you find someone who is able to read you the post, maybe you'll be able to understand by then.

Maybe there is more to this story......

Yes, and it will hit the medias at least in Europe - be sure!

Facts:

On Wednesday the 4th of February two Italians have been arrested by Ayutthaya City police in front of the Bangkok Bank branch in Tesco Lotus Center. They just received a money order by Western Union at about 7 pm to pay their tickets back home.

While the two Italians were busy filling out the forms in order to receive the draft an attractive Thai woman set beside them. Just when the Italians have received their money the Thai woman complained vociferous that one of the Italians has stolen her cell phone. Within minutes two security guys and a civil police officer were in place to bust them.

Two foreign friends of the Italians and a Thai were witness of the scenario but were not asked by the police officer. The police did not search search the Italians for the "corpus delicti" - neither at spot, nor at the police station. One of the witnesses has asked for evidence of the allegation but has been refused in first stage. After insisting to see the security camera recording he and the Thai woman together with the police officer were allowed to see some sequences of the recording. On this video pictures there is no evidence of the presence of a cell phone and also no evidence of the accused act of stealing something/reaching out to something.

While the witness was looking at the video pictures the Thai woman constantly commented to the police officer how obvious the criminal act is been documented here but according to the witness the video does not pay any evidence of a criminal act at all. Any trial of the witnesses to make a statement on the act has been refused by the police officer in charge. He only has recorded the "victim's" statement.

On the police station the Italians have been offered to get away by paying 30,000 THB. The money they received before they got busted would just have covered the ticket costs to fly back home, so paying 30k THB would have brought them back to nearly the same financial situation in which they were the last three weeks. Following their statement that none of them has stolen anything of anyone in that bank branch and regarding finances they had to refuse to pay the "offer".

They have contacted the Italian embassy but were only given a list of Italian/Thai lawyers to refer to at own costs.

The Italians were held from Tuesday to Saturday 6th of February at Ayutthaya City police station together with up to 8 inmates sleeping all together on the concrete floor. Today they have been brought up to court - handcuffed! - and have been accused for gang robbery at nightime (after 6 pm, higher case of criminal act), violating Thai law, paragraph 335(1) and 38.

For Thai lawyers/journalists: KORHA RUAM GAN, LAK FAP VELAA TANG KUENG, PRAMUAN GODMEI AJA MATRA 335(1), PRAGOR MATRA 38.

Bail has been set to 150.000 THB for both accused. The trial to bail out one of them for 75,000 THB, as his mental condition already has dropped considerably during the stay in the police station cell, has been refused. Also during the court case the three witnesses have not been asked/heard and no piece of evidence has been presented. Apart from the police officer who has busted The Italians no other policemen has seen the evidently video pictures as the bank has not send a copy of the camera recording to the police yet. This is to be expected to be happening on Monday.

After the court case the Italians have been brought to Ayutthaya prison where they stay at current time. One Italian has had a last telephone contact to one of of the witnesses in which he has reported that they will take away now his telephone. At current time there is no possibility to contact them.

The witness went to the Ayutthaya City police station asking for details and was told better not to "investigate" in this case. The witnesses question where the Italians have been brought was answered by a policemen and he gave him the "friendly advice" better not go to visit them.

Call for help:

The medias (print & TV) and the Bangkok Anti-Corruption Department are already informed, Central Tourist Police hotline will get my call for help tomorrow and on Monday the Italian Department for Foreign Affairs will be contacted.

Apart from "Pay the bail bla bla bla" - does anyone have another good suggestion which further instance could be additionally informed about this?

Serious supporters please answer by personal message. Thank you!

My question is "How can a farang become rich in Thailand?"

crack or tow away ATMs! works great!!!

It was the 8th anniversary of the meanwhile world famous party event. Incl. live bands and a CD and also others. And I guess the reason are fare more complex regarding this price. I just remeber the last year's media about the island.

Btw, there is already an effect of a little peak (like the big peak, the fullmoon) to see her on the island. I guess also the party "space" will be soon to small, due to it's raising popularity by the real party goer's. ;-)

Fullmoon is more a "Ballermann Scene"

The "Live-Bands" were Moscowfish who is playing on nearly any HM-Party (very recommendable by the way)

and a Blues-Combo from Samui. I can finance both acts for the birthday party of my kids....

My resume on the KP party scene: it's XXXXXX! Real party goers here are dinasours who missed the signs of the

time and mainstream tourists who are looking for the unsuspect after calm days on the beach. Or drunken pissheads

which you'll find on any party worldwide.

If you try to scan the FM party community on the web as it still was 3-4 years ago, you find out they just disappear slowly but safely.

The so to say "Ballermann Image" for FM party is already around and the most people I have spoken over the last years are

heavily disappointed by the poor organisation and very reduced fun factor for "real party goers".

well, FM party is the most important economical event on KP. without it, it would not be possible for KP kids to sell Paracetamol

tablets as XTC for 800THB each. it would not be possible to generate so much money every month to make FM businesses pay

back their bank depts (up to 650.000THB/month - guess who?).

On the other hand I have problems to understand why one would be fighting against a culture which has been established since

decades already? I am quite sure that the KP party scene will fade out slowly and in about 5 years there might be only a fraction

of parties but with a potential chance of being as good as in good old old times. I also could be wrong and FM and HM party will

exist forever, displaying the taste of the potential audience.

"Zohombie, Zohombie, Zohombie-ie-ie"

Like lambs to the slaughter!

What a useless comment.

Here in Thailand you have the lemming principle. If it isn't an Isuzu or a Toyota it isn't any good. That Ford is as good of a truck as they build and a very close second to Isuzu as far as fuel economy.Isuzu and Ford are the number one and number two.

Regarding Pick-Up sales numbers in 2009 in TH:

1. Toyota

2. Isuzu

3. Nissan

4. Mitsubishi

5. Ford

6. Mazda

I had a very intensive research when I bought my new Pick-Up

two years ago. My favourites were Toyota VIGO and the new FORD Ranger.

I always hate to be part of the mainstream, but - sorry! - the Toyota VIGO was

- and withe new VIGOII-Model still is - the best value for money.

Technically and designwise I like the FORD Ranger II 3.2 Wildtrak most. Maybe

now nearly 2 years after release of the Ranger II Ford is slowly doing something

on pricing? If the comparable models of Ford would be considerably cheaper than

the Toyotas Ford would be the best value for money.

In comparison to Isuzu D-Max the VIGO chassis deforms nicely while crashing.

The downside might be a terribly destroyed chassis after a major crash but

you would have good chances to survive. The D-Max is a brick chassis-wise.

If having a major crash with a D-Max without AirBags or with late or not opening

AirBags passengers are facing a heavy impact.

I was driving a new NISSAN Frontier TL 2.7 from 2005-2008 and was very happy.

NISSAN engines are very reliable (no leaking oil in 3 years) and generally strong.

However, we are talking about a range of far developed Diesel-Trucks which offers

everything for any size of wallet. It finally depends on your taste as well.

All I'm saying is you really can't complain about what's going on here. If you don't like it, move.

Bla bla bla bla bla bla Hey you not happy hein ?? You go back your country you na! Here my country me na ! You not speak ok?

Me can tell you what me want . Now you go your country you ! You baa. My motorbike me not noisy ! My frend me police no problem !

Ah la la ! Sometimes i miss school when i was 4 years old....

I AM THAI, I AM BUDDHIST!

Why are you so angry?

I AM NOT ANGRYYY!!!

What is your problem?

I GONNA HIT YOU!

ok, hit me!

YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!

Why?

YOUR ENGLISH IS SO BAD!

I was shocked yesterday when I went to visit the Halfmoon-Party on KP. They ask now 500THB

entrance fee. Before it was 300THB for foreigners and 100THB for Thais.

Apart from the fact that the new pricing structure on entrance fees sets an end to racial discrimination

I find it extremely greedy. Same as me many visitors (most of them Thai) could not accept this kind

of price jump and refused to go in.

For me its clear: no FM or HM party anymore unless entrance fees are getting acceptable again.

I am happy to pay 250THB entrance for every party and it does not need to include a free drink

but everything above is pure extortion.

it only needs a calculator to find out what kind of profit a HM party is generating every 2 weeks

with the old pricing on entrance. with the new entrance fee prices the organisation should be able

to found their own bank here in about one or two years time. ...or will buy half of the island.

...or the moon!!!

Company name: SUPERFREAKS ON SPEED Company Limited

Field of activities: Trade (Clothing/accessoires)

Registered address: Koh Phangan/Suratthani

Shareholders: 1 Thai (68%), 1 Thai (1%) & 1 Foreigner (31%)

Founded: 10/2009

incl. all tax documentation + Thai tax receipt books & up to date invoice collection for running & investment costs

taxation currently at 1,500 THB/month

sales price company: 20,000 THB

additional costs:

change of 2 directors (1 Thai for Thai director, 1 Foreigner for foreigner director), approx. 5,000 THB

optional costs:

if required a 1 year work permit can be issued for 15,000 THB per person

if required a 1 year business visa can be issued for 25,000 THB per person

gratis service:

will share contact to local bookkeeper with LOCAL PRICING! (Only available with

the purchase! Please do not contact us if you only want to gather this specific

information. It´s priceless anyway...)

Please contact us via Personal Message only or give us a direct call. Thank you!