Sunmaster

Science already gets very blurry when it tries to describe to the mind. If you expect science to make sense of the spirit, you're hopelessly deluded. Try reading "The Science Delusion" by Rupert Sheldrake. ????

You should ask your schools for a refund. A waste of money that was.... ????

Science is everywhere including heaven? Lol Where did you get that from?

The relativity of simultaneity seems to be a condition unique to the physical/material universe or 3D (4D if you count time). The timelessness Tippaporn is talking about(Ithink), becomes plausible when talking about higher dimensions (5D+). In essence, the relativity of simultaneity is bound to 3D and doesn't apply to 5D+. In that sense, you may be both right.

I'm OK. We had far more difficult posters in here before. This is quite relaxed in comparison. As long as people can stay civilized, all are welcome. No refunds, as usual.

On what grounds do you base that idea?

...to you...

What is A2D? OK, so you used your brain to see through and go beyond the religious dogma made of blatant contradictions and childlike allegories. Good for you. I've done the same when I was about 14 and became an atheist. Until I wasn't. ????

You wouldn't say anything new that hasn't been said here many times. And I wouldn't be offended. Your reply makes me think that you had some unfortunate experiences with religion or religious people. Am I right?

Some folks....and what about the rest? Do you think I wasted 25 years of my life in the false belief that I am/we are more than a body? And if you think that, what makes you think so?

I disagree on this point. "God" is not something that is outside or to be experienced somewhere in the future. If we can agree that the term God refers to the Ground of all Being, an all encompassing consciousness, then the logical deduction is that this consciousness is here and accessible at every point in time, everywhere. Why waste your life and wait for death to find out, when there are clear and proven ways to do so while alive?

You are quite right in being suspicious. One is always advised in being cautious, especially with these kind of things. There are plenty out there who will intentionally try to manipulate people. There are a few good documentaries about such sect leaders on Netflix and YouTube. Then there are those who are not even aware of harming others until it becomes blatantly obvious. Andrew Cohen, a spiritual teacher who abused his students, comes to my mind. I like to think that after 25 years of research, my BS detector is pretty fine tuned. That, coupled with my own intuition and experience, makes up for a pretty effective safeguard against such "unenlightened" sources. IMO, Seth is not one of them. And neither is Paramhansa Yogananda or Ramana Maharshi. These 3 sources I trust the most. But like I always say, there is nothing more effective than personal verification through practice.

I've read 3-4 Seth books and found them very clear and insightful. But then, I have no problems accepting the fact that a person can channel or receive information from such a source.

I do. And yes. Very much so.

Imagine being so threatened by ideas that you start seeing witches everywhere. Some people here would have made great inquisition witch hunters...nudge nudge. ???? But then, since everything happens at the same time, maybe, maybe they ARE, somewhere, right now...hunting a poor old woman with a black cat.... Wooow ????????

Right. Why go through the effort of reading a whole book, when you can just pick a short quote and "confirm" the opinion you already had? Makes perfect sense. ????

If one quote is all you base your opinion on, without having read the book it's taken out of, then it's still out of context.

Right, both are to be avoided. But you say it's all rubbish after reading a few quotes out of context. You did the same thing when judging this thread... Do you really believe you can make a fair assessment with so little information? Plus, you don't explain why or which part you think is rubbish or nonsense. Should we just take your word for it?

Jane Roberts, Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul (A Seth Book) Seems quite fitting here, don't you think? ????

I'm not afraid of direct confrontation. It has its time and place in a conversation. I just don't find it conducive as a long term strategy or method.

Many years ago, shortly after that shift in perception, I was filled with a new hope and idealism that I could just tell my friends and the world what I had experienced and that would be enough to change their ways. I didn't work. I also believed that a bushman could jump from his pre-modern development straight to a post-modern stage, given the right information, set and setting. I soon realised that it doesn't work that way. People and societies have their own momentum when it comes to development. It's not possible to present them with knowledge they're not ready for, and expect them to take it in and change accordingly. All the logic in the world will not change that. This became even clearer for me during my 5-6 years of teaching English here. It was me who had to change, meet my students at their own level and gently show them the way by feeding them small bits at a time, in a manner they could understand. Through repetition they would then internalise the teachings, gain in confidence and learn to use what they had learned in real life. This is what I try to do here as well. I'm not interested in confrontation, because that hinders real communication. True communication is only possible when you can accept the other party as it is. Its not up to me to change them and make the world a better place. My only responsibility is towards the Self and to materialise it as best as I can in the material world, be it through my drawings, my writings or simply the way I interact with the world. Some people may find the questions I pose interesting and of value. Others won't. This is beyond my control and I have no problem with that. Take from this what you will. ????

Yes, I agree with most of what you say. But being a practical person, I wanted to know how you make that shift. I want to know what you do in practical terms. It's of no use to tell people "This is how it is, how it works" and expect them to take your word for it. So, what do you think people should do to validate what you're saying?

Medium?

How?