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Maybe this will spell the end of 'you come to thailand too much' at airport immigration.

Because Thailand.

Subsets of tourists will likely start returning as soon as restrictions are lifted (digital nomads, backpackers for example) but it's unlikely a lot of holiday-makers will return this summer.

It will also depend heavily on how Thailand manage entries. The UK has a lot of deaths, but the government are paying salaries so the economic fallout is less than in other places. However, if Thailand propose a covid-free certificate from UK/US/EU then 0 people will be coming from those regions despite having the capital to do so.

1 hour ago, Mung said:

Germany has seen an increase in cases after having eased their measures some time ago. Here in the UK over the past 2-3 weeks, people have been less serious about lockdown and enjoying the warmer sunny weather; today we have shot up form around 4,000 daily cases to 6,000. I really think this is a bad idea wherever in the world lifting of lockdown happens, especially bringing in tourists from other countries, it's insane. 

Testing capacity has also increased, so cases going up is expected. No. of cases isn't really a useful metric other than for scaremongering. The important metrics are that hospital admissions are going down in the UK and (most importantly) the death rate is going down.

4 hours ago, Adelphi said:

UK Government Ministers now talking about introducing two weeks quarantine as part of the next stage of the fight against the Covid 19 - same as Thailand already has.  Until we have a vaccine I think quarantine could become normal across the world.  If correct then we will see a resumption of flights but at a very significantly reduced frequency.  Some people, like me, would be willing to accept two weeks quarantine for what they considered absolutely essential flights but the Tourism Industry would be all but dead.  

The idea of a vaccine getting the world out of this situation is extremely flawed.

1. Vaccines typically take 5-10 years to develop
2. We still haven't found a vaccine for the common cold after 70 years (or HIV)
3. It could take years to distribute 
4. It assumes that everyone will get the vaccine

YouTube have taken the video down. Welcome to 1984 ????

11 hours ago, connda said:

Because they are not part of the solution unless the solution entails making them magnitudes wealthier and the rest of the population magnitudes poorer.  The era we live in is progressively becoming neo-feudalism.  How many hundreds of billions do a handful of creeps need when the masses can't get any relief at all.  Why diss them?  Most are no longer human.  Just human-shaped vessels totally consumed by greed.

They are not the problem either, despite how much the media might like people to believe. If not human, then what are they? How many billionaires do you know to make this assessment of their character? 

Why are so many people who hate Thailand on a forum about Thailand? ????

The big challenge is going to be tourism, getting people into the country obviously risks further spread.

Covid19 certificate and/or 14 days quarantine is going to rule out 99% of tourists. 

6 hours ago, sandyf said:

I have never said they did. In any post I have made I would only ever have referred to C19 being a factor, not the cause. The presence of the virus reduces the ability of the body to deal with underlying conditions.

In the UK I believe both appear on the death certificate and to date it has only been those on death certificates that have been recorded.

For a few weeks the Scottish Government have been referring to another category "presumed to be C19 related" and from what I gather they will soon be included in the official figures.

 

The health secretary said that in an effort to “bring as much transparency as possible” to the death figures, from tomorrow the government will publish not just the number of deaths in hospital each day, but also the number of deaths in care homes and in the community. It’s feared this will make the death toll appear to spike.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-coronavirus-deaths-today-latest-figures-increase-nhs-covid-19-update-a9488716.html

The care home figures (which currently represent 33% of deaths) are going to amplify the question mark over the effectiveness of lockdown. The economy has been destroyed and millions of lives ruined, while nothing was done to protect the most vulnerable group who could have been easily isolated and saved.

59 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

I has been removed from Youtube, because not PC, and not in line with the mainstream propaganda. 

 

If not already done, read 1984, because it is coming at us like a freight train... 

I bought it last night, now Jeff Bezo's knows I'm onto him ????

1 hour ago, Walter Travolta said:

That is what I am trying to say although, my bad, I should have said that that is what they make us believe, that deaths are caused by covid when they already have underlying issues as opposed to dying solely from covid. So my apologies there ????
So, if we can look at what I was trying to say, How many deaths are there that are due to covid ONLY? As in those who had NO underlying ailments? Im asking a question, as I said earlier I dont claim facts unless I know its a fact. Im not a doctor obviously but the flu can kill, all by itself can it not? So can covid but it seems covid only kills on a large scale when it 'teams up' with other ailments already existing? Same with pneumonia, it can kill by itself but add covid into the mix and it looks like curtains, but covid alone isnt killing the amount of people on its own that the figures would have you believe. The example being that most people who contract covid, yet have no underlying ailments, recover

It's somewhere between 1-5% die without any known underlying issues in the UK (according to the papers). It will be interesting to see the government stats on causes of death for April 2020 when they're available and how they compare to previous years.

While there will obviously be an increase in overall deaths, I suspect there might be a decrease in deaths by other causes due to C19 reclassification. 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/17/no-underlying-conditions-coronavirus-deaths-english-hospitals

30 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Thing I can't get my head around is the 'final' benefit to anyone, individuals or governments from the lockdowns. To go there would/may be classed as conspiracy theories which is a no-no.

I am really sitting on the fence between lockdown and let it run its course even if at my age I'm in one of the 'at risk' groups, over 70 blah blah.

Not something I find easy to decide.

It's going to have to run it's course at some point, unless the lockdown is maintained until a vaccine is ready – which is never going to be the case. I think the lockdown makes sense to give healthcare systems time to prepare, but continuing them now makes almost no sense whatsoever.

It's more like government incompetence rather than a conspiracy.

2 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

Oh dear. Im not deflecting anything. I will take anyone head on and if I am proven wrong then fair enough. Im not one of those who gets proven wrong and cannot accept it and continues way into the night 'deflecting'. 

Im not sure what makes you think I believe that when someone dies of pneumonia its down to Covid. I said that the death cert will have covid on there. So I believe they died because they had Covid ON TOP OF pneumonia. Thats why I asked for a link of COVID ONLY DEATHS WHERE THERE WERE NO UNDERLYING CONDITIONS. Which would show the REAL number of deaths from ONLY cv19. Hope you get that this time

Like you say, you 'believe' that's the case - there's no evidence. Someone can enter the hospital on the brink of death due to flu pneumonia, come into contact with C19 in the hospital, that doesn't mean they died exclusively of C19, but they are being categorised as if they were (the cause of is ONLY counted as C19, not flu). This is a misrepresentation of the numbers, so we don't know the 'real' number.

3 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

Thanks, you have backed up that Covid deaths are attributed to underlying conditions haha. Please dazzle me with a link of how many deaths are related to CV19 without any underlying symptoms such as pneumonia - ONLY corona please

Please stop deflecting. Obviously C19 deaths are related to underlying conditions, that has nothing to do with your original retort
to @sandyf regarding the categorisation of deaths. If someone has flu/pneumonia and dies, that does not automatically mean they died of C19.

15 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

But if you cant debate on the figures given, you should not be commenting at all. Otherwise all you are living in is fiction or fantasy island. Is this the way of the millenial mind? Disbelieve anything you are told, make something up, believe that, then pass it around as a fact to anyone who is daft enough to listen? No wander we have so many indoctrinated robots that NEED the likes of Prayut to look after them

Well, there is evidence to suggest that the death count is misrepresented. Flu deaths in the UK are being classified as covid-19 deaths because pneumonia 'may' be a consequence of covid-19.
 

1 hour ago, loong said:

I don't know whether you are correct or not about how many people have died from smoking in the same time-frame.

My question is How many people who had their first ever cigarette this year have died from smoking related disease in the same time-frame? I wouldn't mind guessing zero.

It's over 1.6 million people this year so far have died from smoking. Covid-19 - statistically, isn't a huge killer. Obviously any loss of human life is tragic, but humans only seem to care in certain situations.

Millions of lives could be saved every year if we banned smoking like we've banned people going outside, but there is financial motivation to let millions of people die. 

The only reason that people care so much about covid-19 is because of the media and because they're afraid it might affect them. Most of the world couldn't care less about other diseases and problems that only affect specific countries. 

Hunger kills 25,000 people per day and is totally preventable, but there's no widespread media campaign about that. Imagine what could be achieved if we all took the same level of action to save other lives by other means.

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Second hand smoke is heavily regulated.  You are not allowed to smoke in the same room as other people who are smoking or not smoking.  So if you setup a gym at home during this time - or rent the entire gym just for yourself... you should be free to do that.

I can still choose my own demise through smoking, if I so wish. So shouldn't I be entitled to risk my own life going outside and contracting covid-19?

46 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

And you sound exactly like the type of fool that is the reason the virus has spread all over the place. Regarding your previous post - the barber's may be open there but there are responsible people in Thailand. My wife's salon has been closed for over a month and even if she tried opening it - the police would be there in minutes.

Going to the local barber shop that tends to a handful of people daily is higher risk than going to a super market surrounded by 100s of people in a location that has daily foot traffic in thousands?

7 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

I was talking to an English friend who is on lockdown in France he said.

 

 

I don’t know if it would be free but think it may be

This is helpful, thanks!

10 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

 

most are pro open up i speak to

3 to 1

In Thailand? 

I'm in the UK at the moment and most people are pro-lockdown, I've been called all sorts for even suggesting an end to lockdown. Although, Scotland and Northern Ireland are using their devolved powers now to start lifting restrictions while England won't even talk about it, so I think there is a gradual shift towards opening up in some areas.

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

Somehow, the population always manages to split in two groups: democrats vs republicans, socialists vs capitalists and so on

 

With the covid 19 two new groups are emerging:

 

supporters of the herd immunity

vs

supporters of the herd mentality

 

But unlike the other groups which are generally more or less equal in size, these two groups are not.

 

Members of the second group outnumber those of the first group by at least a factor of ten...which is very worrying for people able to think, but very reassuring for our overlords.

 

After all, as Bertrand Russell once said:

 

"People would sooner die than think, indeed this is what they do"

 

The socialist vrs capitalist debate in this whole scenario has been interesting, I think every billionaire on the planet has now been demonised for causing some part of this pandemic ????