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maprao, thanks for the feedback. Without getting too involved in an off-topic debate with you, I can only think that you must lead a very lonely isolated existence if you really live your life like that. I would hardly think me helping out one Thai girl makes me a 'moral crusader' and the feedback from Toknarok suggests that in certain circumstances my 'crusade' could actually be successful.

Maprao, here is an idea. Get up now from your keyboard, go to your local orphanage, take a few gifts and make a donation as well. You may be surprised just how good it makes you feel to help someone less fortunate than yourself.

Toknarok, thanks very much for that information. That sounds like the route I could take as well even though they are not married.

Thanks Toknarok, that is interesting. Do you know how the Thai wife dealt with the Danish court ?

I mean by that, did she use a Thai lawyer in Thailand or contact a lawyer in Denmark directly.

I am thinking that contacting the court in his country directly may be the way to go if I have to pursue this through the courts.

stoneyboy, thanks for that information. I actually have contacted his embassy in Bangkok to see what they have to say on this issue. I have also contacted a lawyers office in his own country for some feedback.

So discussing this on TV is just one of the ways I am trying to get my head around just what needs to be done.

As I have posted earlier, I am hopeful this can be resolved by him meeting his daughter and having some human affection for her and wanting to help because he is her father (yes - he should have some paternal feeling shouldn't he?).

Specifically in this thread though, I am not trying to legitimize his relationship with this girl, at this stage I am simply trying to prove via a DNA test that he is the father.

I am trying to find out IF it is becomes necessary, can I get the Thai courts to force this guy to give a DNA sample whilst he is here for 4 months in Thailand?

I can ask this of my lawyer, but I would be happier to hear from TV members before/if I go to meet with him as like many TV members who have lived in Thailand for many years, I have learnt that the advice from lawyers over here can sometimes be more geared towards them making their fees.

stoneyboy, the guy is coming to Thailand again for 4 months in January. He needs to keep coming to Thailand for his work. Why would you think I personally would ever need to meet with this guy?

What makes you think this guy is of an age or height or demeanor to physically assault me if we were to meet?

Not all people in this world resort to violence you know.

I am interested in your thoughts on this subject, but on the specific point of this thread, do you know if the DNA test can be enforced if I need to go down that route.

first things first "would you as a farang, in the same position as this guy, trust a Thai DNA test"?

Secondly he is under no obligation to do it, and a Thai court order in Europe/America is not worth the paper

it is written on, my personal opinion.

I would just leave it alone and forget it, you are risking getting too involved in something you shouldn't.

Ask yourself this one question - have you ever heard of a Thai guy with a Thai baby paying maintenance when he is not married to the mother? I haven't sorry.

Beano, thanks for the reply.

As I replied in post 11 above, What do you mean the man is under no obligation to do anything. There is certainly a moral obligation - I would think he would want to know if the very pretty white skinned girl standing in front of him giggling is his daughter or not - I mean if she were your daughter - wouldn't you want to know and then take care of her.

What better way to prove the relationship than through a DNA test.

Whether there is a legal obligation as well, is what I am asking in this thread. Do you know the law on this in Thailand?

No I don't know of any Thais paying maintenance, but this guy is a wealthy farang so I don't really see the way Thais treat Thais is really the same at all.

hanuman2543, I have sent you a pm - thanks

stoneyboy, Jeremy Kyle has too many problems of his own at the moment with his wife leaving him, but thanks anyway for the useful idea.

What do you mean the man is under no obligation to do anything. There is certainly a moral obligation - I would think he would want to know if the very pretty white skinned girl standing in front of him giggling is his daughter or not - I mean if she were your daughter - wouldn't you want to know and then take care of her.

What better way to prove the relationship than through a DNA test.

Whether there is a legal obligation as well, is what I am asking in this thread. Do you know the law on this in Thailand?

Jacksam, thanks for your reply. I agree with all that you say - apart from the idea that there is zero chance of this farang paying to maintain his daughter. He has not met the child yet and that could change his mind.

I think resolving this in the courts would be a very difficult thing to do. However, in the first instance the courts would be useful in proving his paternity and that would be something to build on.

A legal piece of paper saying he is the father would be nice to have, if not to pursue in the courts, to at least let this farang know the kid is definitely his and he has a moral duty to look after his daughter.

That is why I am keen to have a formal DNA test rather than just stealing his hair in an underhand way to perform an unofficial DNA test myself.

Benalibina, thanks for your encouraging post and you make some good points.

My wife and I have started helping her - that is how I know the cost of Pampers over here.

My wife tells me that last year we bought the child a birthday present, I don't often get involved with buying that sort of gift for my wife's family or friends, so I didn't know this girl nor her story until recently.

My wife tells me this girl has told her a consistent story over the last 2 years and seems honest enough. I think she has been working recently painting a building - she offered to help me paint my house (I am decorating at the moment) - so that makes me think she is not lazy or just seeking an easy life.

Still who knows, it is early days in my efforts to get her some help for her daughter, so I will find out what she is really like over the coming months.

The way I am tackling this issue is in two ways.

1. The legal side. Find out the legal options in both Thailand and the farang's home country. I will do this over the coming months.This child is not going to vanish overnight and option 2 below will take several months to work through, so there is no great urgency in this matter. I hope this issue can be resolved without resorting to legal action. Anybody who has been involved with the courts in any country will tell you how expensive and disappointing this can often be.

2. The personal side. This is the best route to solve this problem for sure. Try to get the farang to meet his daughter and hope he offers to help. Up until now he has not wanted to meet the girl, so if he does meet her they may bond and that could solve the problem over night. It is his daughter after all - he should feel some emotion - shouldn't he?

The main reason I am keen on a DNA test, and the point of this thread, is that in the first instance I want to know for sure if he is the father. She is going to meet with him in the New Year when he is next over here. If he won't offer to help his daughter, then the first thing I need to do is prove to myself that I am not wasting my time - a DNA test would prove that immediately. You can imagine my frustration if I were to spend the next year with all this and then find out the child is not his.

Yes I know, she could steal some of his hair or whatever and we could do a DNA test that way, but to be honest, I don't like playing silly underhand games like that.

I also think that if he were to receive a letter from a Thai lawyer saying he is required to give a DNA test, then he may realise this problem is not going to go away and he may then do the decent thing voluntarily.

Nickj - thanks for the quick response. I am not sure I disagree with you, but do you have any concrete evidence that this is the case, or do you just think like me that the Thai legal system in this area is not going to be very useful?

Surely the Thai courts must be useful in some areas of child issues regarding maintenance?

I get the impression that 5-10K a month would be a great help to this girl. I suspect he would not pay it every month anyway, but as he is a farang (like me) - he could surely be 'encouraged' to pay this if his right to stay in Thailand were threatened.

I was trying to keep this story simple, but maybe to add to this story slightly would be helpful. This farang actually lives in Europe for about 8 months of the year and comes here for his work. I believe that is the case. So he has to come here every year for his work for 4 months.

The girl has recently found out that he is married back in Europe and has a child there as well.

As I write this, I wish I wasn't getting involved at all - why am I doing this? It is a load of hassle for sure. The trouble is it really bugs me when people just dump kids like this. Ok - if you don't want anything to do with the child well that's sad, but he could at least help to give her a better life - he could afford it for sure.

The girl told us that he was the one who insisted on not wearing a condom and got her to switch to taking a pill she clearly did not fully understand!!

My thinking is that this farang really does not want a load of hassle with this girl and the Thai authorities and would settle on a reasonable child maintenance payment (it is his kid after all), just to make the problem go away.

I did also think though that his Thai daughter has a half brother back in Europe and I then began to wonder if his Thai daughter has any rights under EU law.

I could then see the whole 'can of worms' opening up before me and decided to stop thinking about it and just ask a simple question about paternity tests and see where that leads me.

So thanks for any help or advice you can offer.

A Thai girl has had the child of a farang that she lived with for a short while. He is definitely the father, but refuses to pay any maintenance to support the child. The baby is now 2 years old and he refuses to even meet his daughter.

This girl has just become a friend of my family and I don't like the way this guy is treating her at all. He is quite wealthy I believe and paying to support his daughter would be no real hardship for him.

On the one hand I think it is none of my business. On the other hand the girl was in our garden playing with her daughter the other day, she is broke and even buying Pampers at 500 baht a time is a major expense for her.

So I have decided to try and help them.

I have sent an email to my solicitor and may meet with him next week and start paying some money to get some advice from him and use the Thai courts if that seems to be an effective solution.

In the meantime, would anyone here have any good advice about how to go about resolving this problem - to get this guy to support his daughter financially.

My wife and I have had a lot of ideas including getting the girl to take the daughter to meet her father in the hope that by meeting her he will soften his attitude.

The trouble with our ideas, is that they could cause more harm than good.

So as a practical question, could we force him to have a DNA paternity test?

If he did not cooperate, would the courts be able to enforce a maintenance order in her favour anyway?

My initial research into this, leads me to believe the help for children born outside marriage in Thailand seem to have few rights under Thai law for paternal maintenance payments - is that correct?

Thanks for you help.

I think you are right Langsuan Man it is a dead thread. However, with many of the original posters here suggesting that this 'crackdown' was the real deal, it is worth resurrecting it just one last time to see if is truly is laid to rest. As there is no evidence to the contrary, I agree, it is time to leave this thread to rest in peace.

Well it has been nearly a year now. Have there been any significant events in that time or has this 'crackdown' gone the way of most other crackdowns - nowhere?

Lukdod,topt, Anthony5 - thanks guys - I am off in the morning so one of these will fix the thing for me for sure - thanks again.

steven100, I have looked at this 'in need of repair' fly screen door for about 2 years now - the only person who has got excited about it is my wife.

Tomorrow I should get lots of brownie points for at last getting it repaired!!!

thinkingman, thanks for that. I was thinking of going to the Outlet Mall anyway, so may pop in there on my bike to check it out, along with the one next to Big C.

Thanks again.

giddyup,topt - thanks for the replies.

giddyup - I live towards Laem Chabang, but I have a pickup and will drive anywhere in Pattaya/Darkside to get these screens repaired. I find it hard to find places in the Darkside though. I do go to Planet Football and KauNoi football pitches a lot so know those areas at least.

topt - is that the place almost next to the old Carrefour - now Big C. So if I were to come out of the Big C main entrance door and walk to the road and turn right - it is the shop just on the right hand side?

Thanks again for the help. I have been 'quietly' looking for a place to fix these for ages - I thought it would be a simple task to find a place - I have not found it simple at all!

I have a sliding flyscreen that covers a large door. The mesh needs replacing and new wheels fitted. I cannot find a place that does this. Is it done in those glazier shops ? I just want to take the screen to the shop - I told you it was really boring!

Thanks for your help

I have a sliding flyscreen that covers a large door. The mesh needs replacing and new wheels fitted. I cannot find a place that does this. Is it done in those glazier shops ? I just want to take the screen to the shop - I told you it was really boring!

Thanks for your help

PeVee1st, I am surprised that works in Singapore. The police over there seem very very efficient.

When a relative of my Thai wife vanished in 2010, I had to contact the Singapore police to raise a missing person's report.

The missing girl had not been heard from for about 6 weeks and it turned out that she had run away from her Thai husband and their kid.

Nothing that unusual in that in Thailand, but she normally phoned my wife every week and she had not phoned anyone for nearly 2 months.

We found out from one of her friends that she had gone to Singapore. Why she went there I won't elaborate on here and I have never been told by the family, nor have I asked, but I get the feeling that she was one of the girls working in the sex industry over there. Anyway, I keep out of any of that sort of thing going on in my wife's family!

I emailed the Singapore police, who not only allocated me an incident report number, but also allocated me a particular officer to look after my case. I was highly skeptical that their police force could be that efficient, but I emailed the allocated officer anyway and he emailed back with the same day.

I could not give him her passport details so we had to go to the Ministry Of Foreign Affairs (?) in Bangkok who gave us the details and also contacted the Thai Embassy in Singapore to get involved.

I provided the allocated police officer with the details via email and gave him the contact details of the Thai Embassy contact in Singapore.

I heard nothing for a week - it was during the World Cup so I wasn't really chasing it up a lot!

Anyway, without me chasing them up at all, I received a very long detailed email about their investigation from my allocated officer, which gave the relevant information that she had arrived on a certain date and left on a certain date via the Malaysian land border.

There the trail went cold and she turned up a few weeks later wondering what all the fuss was about.

I just narrated this long boring story to show why I would be very surprised if dumping a passport would be a very successful thing to do if trying to outwit the very efficient Singapore police. Not only are they efficient, the details they sent me of what they checked into via their computer database, led me to believe they had a half decent computer system as well.

Tolley, yes I read your original post, it put me right off the idea of going to Singapore. I told my friend in Singapore I wouldn't be going down there with his girlfriend as it was going to be too much hassle.

Anyway, he was pretty fed up and said it was not like me to give up so easily.

I agreed with him - so I am going to arrange this somehow !

So if I fly with her to Singapore and she is not allowed in, what actually happens. Could she (and I) fly to Malaysia instead of coming back to Thailand and then try entering by bus? Or would she have to come back to Thailand?

Then it comes back to a previous question of mine, is it easier to enter via the land border from Malaysia?

Off now to check out the bus and train entry into Malaysia and Singapore - this trip could be fun!

TheOldGit, Jacksam, thanks for your feedback and thoughts on this. TheOldGit, your experiences and your comment that immigration when it involves a Thai girl is 'hit and miss', has taken all the fun out this trip for me.

I am old and traveled enough to know how immigration can be unreasonable at times, in many countries. However, having read your reply and the stories in that link I posted and on websites elsewhere, it seems there is nothing I can do to guarantee that even if I take all reasonable steps, that my Thai friend will be allowed entry.

By reasonable steps I mean traveling with me; having her boyfriend waiting for her at the airport; a return ticket; hotel booking voucher; her not being on any conviction database; never been to Singapore before and even having a load of cash in her purse - none of that would guarantee entrance it seems.

Jacksam, Yes hit and miss indeed. I read on that link I posted - or was it on another website (I will check my website history) that even a farang traveling with their Thai girlfriend have been refused entry. I will try and find the stories later today.

Were the girls dressed in their bar-girl outfit or dressed conservatively I have no idea.

I have to decide what to do next. On the one hand I could just cancel the trip as not worth the effort or I could think 'bloody cheek' and decide to enter Singapore by arriving by bus or train from somewhere else just to be bloody minded and beat their system ... or or or??? I don't know yet - I am just annoyed about this.

Is it the airport that is really fussy and arriving by a land border would be a better option ?

Jacksam, I too am very surprised by the above posts. I have read similar stories on other threads though, here for example http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/677005-refused-entry-into-singapore/

That thread is a couple of years old, but the stories still seem relevant to today.

It seems quite daft that a boring old boy like me could be prevented from entering Singapore with a Thai girl as the IO may think I am bringing in a Thai prostitute to work illegally in the country.

What is the point of having Thais on the list of people being allowed to enter the country without a visa if this is the way the girls are treated. Better to let me get her a visa before we go, at least then the Singapore authorities can refuse the visa before I waste my time flying her there and then having to abandon the hotel and other arrangements my friend in Singapore has made for her.

I am British - male- 61 years old and was planning to travel to Singapore for a couple of weeks to meet up with a British friend who will be there then. I was going to travel down with his Thai girlfriend who is only 30 years old. I was told I may have problems doing this and a search on TV has shown that to be true.

I was planning to fly down there with her. I cannot imagine that I would fancy a long coach trip, but if I do still decide to make this trip with her, would it be better to take her through a land border rather than the airport?

Probably better if he comes to Thailand, but he won't be able to stay long due to work, so I would prefer it if we could go to Singapore - somewhere I have never been and I thought would be no problem at all to visit as Thais are allowed there without a visa.

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

Lite Beer and Nowretired - thanks for the quick reply. I thought that used to be the case, but so much seems to change!!

Thanks again