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On 3/22/2021 at 8:54 PM, Isaan sailor said:

Even CNN has acknowledged Biden’s absence from the press room. And they’re not happy.

What has immigration or a press conference got to do with this thread? Are you obsessed?

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Oh yes, lefty's old "we care so much more than your evil wingers that care noting for human lives" argument.

 

No doubt the next line will be "If we only save one life it will all be worth it" 

 

It's tiresome. The only lives you guys care about are the lives you can make political hay from. If you truly cared about gun deaths you would do something about all the gang members killing each other and the innocents that are killed in the crossfire. 

 

If you cared about people's lives you'd have come out against all the antifa black-lives-mater riots that killed over thirty and ruined countless others.

 

Save the pablum for the fools that buy into that idiocy, 

 

You think gun restrictions will only save one life?

are you happy with the mass murders?

if you are not happy with mass murders what do you think should be done?

because right now its not working.

5 hours ago, Thomas J said:

yes the end game is the confiscation of all guns.  It "logically" has to lead there since banning those "scary" assault" weapons will only cause those wishing to do harm to an alternate gun.  First another semi-automatic rifle, then to shotguns, and as shown at Ft. Hood a handgun. 

The USA has implemented total bans on numerous items not the least of which are illegal drugs.  That has only led to the enrichment of the criminal underworld and drugs gang violence 

We have laws against speeding but there are still speeders.  We have laws against rape but people still get raped.  We have laws against drunk driving but people still do it.  etc. etc. etc.  

It is lunacy to think that somehow a person who is willing to walk into a group of people with a firearm and kill them will somehow be prevented from doing so because the firearm he is using is illegal or was illegally obtained. 

Now the other lunacy to me is that there were 221 deaths in 2019 from mass shootings.  The vast majority of gun homicides are not mass shootings but drug gangs using handguns.   So even if you could completely stop the mass shootings it would have a statistically insignificant effect on the total number of firearm deaths. 

Again more deflection. How do you live in thailand without a gun, must be so scary for you.

31 minutes ago, muzley said:

Sidney Powell is not backing down. More MSM fake news!!

Wisconsin was added today to Arizona, Georgia and New Hampshire who are now doing proper audits and looking into Dominion machines results from 2020 election.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sidney-powell-dismisses-lawsuit-defense-fake-news-doubles-down-on-conspiracies/ar-BB1eURrl

 

 

So saying no reasonable person would believe her lies is not backing down?

Thats gold medal mental gymnastics right there.

Perhaps she needs a cunning linguist.

1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

 No and they could not have envisioned the internet but does that change the right to free speech.  The 14th amendment says that any person "born under the jurisdiction" of the USA that is born on USA soil is a USA citizen.  This was one of 3 post civil war amendments dealing with slavery meant to guarantee that slaves and their children would be citizens.  There was no contemplation of it applying to illegal immigrants since at that time there was no "immigration" law.  Yet somehow despite the clear intent of those writing the law it still applies today.

Back when the second amendment was penned there were no laws governing firearms ownership.  Any person, of any age, without any background check, etc could own a gun.  Now I am "for" any and all laws that will "prevent" criminals, and those wishing to do harm to others from possessing a firearm.  With that said, I can't imagine how you would have a system that would screen those wanting to do harm from other citizens.  The alternative then is to ban all firearms and that I believe would only lead to the same thing experienced with drugs and during prohibition with alcohol.  A black market where those who by their very nature are those you wish not to have guns being the only ones with them. 

Lots of deflection there. 

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Yes...totally....100%...spot on.....way to go....

Some would strangely prefer to live in a society with guns instead of without.

I wonder how they can live in thailand under such fear from not having one.

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Good points, well made, but at the end of the day the equations are...........

 

People + Guns= Deaths

 

People - Guns= Less Deaths

 

Can't take people away, but you can take guns away.....

Destroy every gun. Death penalty for anyone found with one.

Would change things very quickly and police would be less inclined to be scared and shoot you at a traffic stop.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

So a when a young person with a history of being taunted gets in scuffle and ends up with an assault conviction should have their right to own a firearm removed. Is that your position?

 

Would you support the right to own firearms removed from everyone with a conviction on their record?

 

Would you also support the right to own firearms be removed from people charged, but not convicted of assault? 

 

What other reasons would you support that would strip the right of individuals to own firearms? 

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. No

5. Mental health.

Others need a specific reason to own a gun and only after a cooling off period of months.

12 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

That is just the way in modern progressive America. People have finally leaned to never apologize to them and never give them an inch. Just like when they said it's only Alex Jones we need to cancel, promise, then fast forward a decade and Aunt Jemima and DrSuess got cancelled too. That is why we will not let team Biden start taking away any guns.

So you are happy nutters can have guns?

11 hours ago, DefaultName said:

"U.S. President Joe Biden on Tuesday called for a ban on assault weapons and tighter gun control measures "

 

He's President, he could just do it by executive order couldn't he?

Probably, but doing it that way can be reversed by order from the next pres to easily. Better to have it passed thru congress and senate.

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I would have agreed with you a couple of years ago. But it seems these days some women complain about anything that happend with men decades ago. I am sure some actors will complain now that they "had to" show flesh in movies which they made many years ago and which maybe made them famous.

Its in the contract they sign for a movie what is expected to be shown. Many actors turn down roles because of nudity. Many use doubles for certain shots.

Those that are asked to have sex for real just to get better chemistry have every right to complain.

5 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

I agree with the receiving donations part.

 

 One could argue that if more people were to carry guns mass shootings could be stopped much earlier, but that’s a subject for another day.

But that argument fails as the evidence shows.

Thoughts and prayers also not working so stop that stuff also.

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

It will be.......show your face once a week.....three to four hours.......don't say anything even vaguely controversial......money will be banked every Friday.......bit like MP's and their non-executive directorships. 

 

No way he is actually going to be responsible for anything.

well he does have to earn a living now. He is famous so people want his name, if it brings in the dollars its a win win.

34 minutes ago, heybruce said:

It seems the pro-gun crowd only want to discuss banning or not banning.  Posts arguing for intelligent restrictions on who can own a gun, required training and licensing of people who own or use guns, registration of guns, etc. are ignored.

 

Yes thats all they do. They say its all or nothing.

As with all things it should be a progression, bit by bit. Before you know it the US will evolve the way of more enlightened countries that prefer to address mass murders.

Or can go the way of other lawless countries.  the way its going they need more jails and more cemetaries.

Perhaps repubs will ban burials as it takes up too much land.

Those that are against restrictions have zero right to offer any thoughts or prayers.

YOU are the problem.

4 hours ago, simon43 said:

KarenBravo, you'll get no reasoned argument from JT and Mr Dome, save your breath ????

 

And JT/Mr Dome, it might surprise or shock you to know that I'm bisexual, you know - attracted to males as well as females.  My so-called homophobic comments about not liking overtly-sexual activities displayed in public applies to both gay and straight partners.  It's unnecessary and often intend to shock others or create controversy.  For both straight and gay, I say again 'get a room!!'

We are talking about movies that no one is forcing you to watch.

5 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

 

Please show me where I have attacked a minority? You're being dishonest and sticking labels on me.

How would you feel if I did the same to you?

 

My own position on this can be summed up as "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".

 

If it's okay for the minority to tell the majority what to say, then it's okay for the majority to tell the minority what to say. Personally, I think this is wrong, so I go with the other option.

It is wrong for either party to tell the other what to say.

 

See, no context needed for an answer to such a simple question.

But its not good for the goose when the goose is constantly oppressed and the hate speech against them fuels the violence against them.

Now, if there are homosexuals using the power of the majority to belittle the minority heterosexuals you may have a point.

but you dont. Common decency is a good thing, no one is forcing you to watch anything or even be on this thread if it upsets you,

11 minutes ago, Bradmeister said:

I lived in the Table Mesa area, went to school at CU. Shopped at King Soopers.

 

I had plenty of rifles and handguns, so did everybody else. Our relatives, neighbors and friends.  

 

Teachers, store keeps and ranchers. 

 

It does not mean we are all reckless and homiscidal maniacs. 

 

People have been killing people since the begining of time with poisons, brute force, knlves, arrows and bombs. 

 

Now, we kill people with alcohol and fast and heavy vehicles.  Some kill by falling asleep behind the wheel of a Tractor trailer and others.... like to set things on fire.

 

Dont kid yourselves, America became the great country it is now  because of firearms. 

 

We like waring, we obviously cant get enough of it. We like building war machines, and we are the best at it. 

 

Now throw into the mix. People are becoming <deleted> off with taxes, insurance, restrictive laws, and Law Enforcement officers who are becoming judge, jury and executioners.... 

 

On another note. What is Boulder County doing with no less than 3 armored vehicles???? They expecting a War in that  little college town? 

 

1 man, 1 man killed 10 people?  If any other person had a firearm, the assault would have ended, less people killed and less waste of the taxpayers money. 

 

It seems as though the world is in Khaos and Meyham.  

 

 

One man did have a gun, an officer, he died.

if most, as you day, had guns then that obviously isnt the answer.

26 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

So it doesn’t matter haw many people are killed, as long as they are not killed with semi-automatic long guns, yes?

No, but if thats what is used then do something about it.

Are you saying its easier to get away from an assault rifle instead of a knife or handgun?

more enlightened countries prove you wrong.

26 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

So you think homicide victims would rather have been killed with something other than a gun?

A homicide is not mass murder. The people not killed by such things are happier.

How many mass murders n the US by knife or machete or bat etc in say the last 10 years.