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23 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I have always been convinced that depression is a disease that is worse than cancer. With cancer, one can still feel hope, and one can enjoy life. But with severe depression, the mind completely rules the body, and hope is lost due to a warped perception of reality, caused by depression.

 

I also believe that the drugs that medicine has to offer, to date, have not proven to be effective and safe.

 

Further, I believe that, in some cases, these drugs have led to further deterioration of mental health, such as in the exacerbations of complications from depression.

 

Watching the video linked in the original topic, we see a woman who is intelligent and well-spoken, even if her beach behavior might seem aberrant to some.

Then, fast-forward a few months, and she dies by her own hand, in such a horrific way.

What went wrong?

Depression?

Was it the public shaming that played a part?

Certainly, she needed help and supportive care, and also caring from her community.

But, did she get what she needed?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Was she of such little value that her plight should have been ignored by neighbors and family?

 

I would have liked to know the entire story.

 

But, hers is just another example of a mental health issue, and maybe alienation from her community, that led to a very tragic outcome.

 

I do feel for her, of course.

Who would not?

 

 

 

 

People who have depression hide it from others, many being ashamed that they have this disease, when it has nothing to do with them but their family history. You believe that meds hurt them. I know meds have helped millions stay alive and live better lives. It takes experimentation, like guinea pigs, to find what one works. Many give up because they try one and since it didn't work, or things got worse, they stop. Many stop their medications because they start to help them, and they think it will last. It doesn't . The brain doesn't not heal itself if it has this disease called clinical depression.

We aren't again talking about temporary depression which most get for one reason or another. The wrong medication for any illness will not work. The right one might make a life better. Depression does not go away, so it has to be treated, forever. No one has come up with anything besides some pills that treat the symptoms, and that's all we have now.

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You mean, you don't watch videos concerning empathy?

 

 

Or, maybe you might enjoy this one on Empathy and Dogs as a reply to a question from a lay member of the audience after a Sapolsky lecture?

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

And, please do not miss this clip, too!

 

 

Important Observation:  Robert Sapolsky has a better beard than Freud ever had.

 

You would be very surprised if you knew just how much I have read on this subject. Daily, for over 30 years adds up to a lot of reading, listening and watching, from every author you could imagine. The fact based ones who actually are doing experiments, the scientists you would call them, the ones who listen to such scientists and write books, the psychologists and psychiatrists that evaluated millions of clients, and also the ones who make personal opinions because they watched a friend die using meds, or they tried one and it didn't work out, so they are against all meds., or they are Satan worshipers who want all people confused.

3 hours ago, Dan O said:

popular excuse from body builders trying to claim roids aren't heavily used and don't have the effects that they do. Just because you don't use them doesn't count for much as there's plenty of instances of roid rage to offset your claim

And millions of people, many of them here, going 5 against 1, attacking them in the streets, armed with sticks and machetes, who aren't taking steroids but are mentally unstable.

8 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes.
This is just anecdotal and is not science.

Sorry.

 

A trial of ONE is meaningless, as you know.

 

Like many others who take one sentence out of a paragraph and comment on it, you're leaving out the rest of what I said.

15 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Your statement is TOTALLY untrue.

Everyone knows that depression improves spontaneously without drug intervention.

 

Also, when we consider anxiety/depression, natural (non--drug-intervention time) healing time is an important consideration.  In other words, just like any physical injury, depression may be thought of as being an "injury" which requires time to heal.

 

I would suggest that you watch this entire lecture series given by Robert Sapolsky:

 

I really enjoyed these lectures (most if not all of them).

Sapolsky is an amusing guy...and knows, full well, the meaning of Science....

 

 

 

 

Where the hell do you get everyone knows about anything? There are millions of people that do not understand about depression. Many of them kill themselves every day. The rest of us, without "proper" studying on the subject, will never understand what they are going through. If everyone knew that depression can be helped without drug intervention, explain to me the millions that are on meds now, and the millions that are still alive due to taking something for the "symptoms", as there is no curer. I will not watch anything you post, as I have read, watched, and listened to far more on the subject than you could ever imagine. Remember, I lived and am living this, with an ex wife, daughter, best friend, cousins, friends and a girlfriend that has depression or died from it. You go by what some person says, and debunk what others, who have written books on the subject say. What makes your person right with their untested theories? If they worked, the whole world would be off medicine, and believe me, you won't find anyone who's more against taking unnecessary medicine than I am.

As for anyone else that's reading his words, please take them with a grain of salt, as clinical depression, at least now, has no cure, and people who have tried natural methods have only succeeded because it was temporary environmental or seasonal depression. It's always best to get a good doctors advice, along with research on the latest methods, before you start your own therapy.

14 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

No I am not.

I learned the meanings of both words before I attended elementary school.

I know the meanings of both words in English, Thai, and Chinese.

I think you are confused.

 

No, I'm the one that actually reads books on the subject, and doesn't go to some videos to try to prove a point. Empathy is you actually feeling what they are feeling, putting yourself in their shoes so to speak.  Feeling bad for someone is sympathy. You can't feel what she is feeling if you aren't suffering from clinical depression, which she obviously was.

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Wow.

 

You are quoting GARBAGE SCIENCE again.

 

Show us your EVIDENCE for this chemical imbalance hypothesis of yours.

You cannot.

The evidence does not exist.

 

This is garbage science.

 

Drugs are useless.

The brain quickly compensates for the psychoactive drugs added by doctors and shrinks.

And this causes lasting harm.

And, this can also prevent and delay recovery.

 

Welcome to the American Medicine Show!

 

 

 

Tell that to the millions that are still here after getting the right prescription. garbage science in your mind? Does this also factor in all the millions who are alive today because of insulin shots and heart medicine? I gave my ex girlfriend St. John's Wort when I saw she had depression. It helped just a little, and when she got on a medicine a doctor she finally saw suggested, she didn't get better but more agitated. The next one helped her tremendously. She had depression most of her adult life, and I saw a psychological she had done when she was a late teenager. It showed suicidal ideations. Her father hung himself from depression, and her mother had it bad.

Our daughter has it and has trouble. There are natural things you can do to help with minor depression, but they don't work much with a clinical diagnosis. This is why a doctor has to try other things to prevent them from getting to a suicidal stage.

My best friend took his own life back in 1987, way before most knew much about how depression could be treated. He would be still here if he had gotten on something to help with his symptoms, of which there were many.

Tell me why you are so vehement on not using medication and say there are other things when you have no proof they work with clinical depression. I'm thinking you are lumping all types of depression together, which many do, not realizing there are various types and some do respond to natural methods of therapy. Some don't, period.

Chemical imbalances surely do cause depression, along with many other things, like environment, a faulty mood regulation in the brain,and genetics, which is a major factor in a person having depression. They all tie together meaning somethings going wrong in the brain.

Many people have tried homeopathy and ended up committing suicide because what they were doing wasn't as strong as the depression they had. Why must you post links to bolster your argument? Don't you see I already know about all of this, studying it for the last 30 plus years? There are many people making opinions on what works, with little results. What we have now is all we have, at least for now, until they can figure out what a person can take without causing more problems than the depression itself. Saving a person is the main thing right now, before they get so low that they think the only way out is out.

Just now, GammaGlobulin said:

 

RIGHT!!!!

 

But, fortunately, I will not be arrested, and off myself, just due to my self gratification, like the lady in the video I linked, in this OP.

 

Such a sad case, really.

I feel great EMPATHY for her.

I wonder if she might have been on psychiatric meds, too!

 

Maybe Hers is just one more case of the many lethal casualties caused by Psychiatric Quackery.

 

 

I think you're confusing empathy with sympathy, which aren't the same. Maybe that girl would have benefited from seeing a doctor to see what could have been done to get her mood swings under control, and outrageous behavior.

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Right.

 

The best that can be done, at the present time, is to provide support during the natural healing process, if it is to occur at all.

Drugs should not be prescribed due to significant and very harmful side effects.

 

Psychiatrists that continue approaches that do not work are:

a.  Not scientists

b. Quacks

c. Scammers

 

By the way, the mental health in countries such as SE Asia is far better than in English speaking countries, the countries where this pseudoscientific psychiatric quackery originated.

 

I have always felt that the population on Taiwan was quite sane compared to English-speaking countries. And, I do not think that it is the English language that is responsible for this problem.

 

Mental Health in the USA and the UK, according to some, is in dire straits.

Would anyone disagree?

 

 

Actually Thailand has a very high incidence of mental illness, and nowhere near the amount of places you can go for help the US has. There are millions of teenagers suffering from depression here. Doctors here are quick to prescribe Fluoxetine (prozac) although this is only one of the meds available. Depression again cannot be healed naturally. When the brain has a deficiency, you can't put it back with food and exercise. The only thing that can be done, at least for now, is what was mentioned earlier. The huge problem here regarding mental health is thousands of children growing up in a family with no fathers, and sometimes no mothers also, raised by grandmas that haven't the ability or knowledge to do the proper job. Children without stability quickly fall into the drug and alcohol trap, which makes any underlying mental problem much worse.

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes I do.

On TV, I do.

 

There isn't any reason besides self gratification. No one here thinks you're a genius, because a lot of us do understand a genius does not have to tell anyone. My father had a genius level IQ and my mom was very smart. This doesn't mean I also have one. Close but no cigar and I know my limitations but couldn't care less. Some things I know a lot about and some very little, the same as everyone else that uses their brain by reading daily.

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

This type of quackery should be met with heavy malpractice suits.

 

Why...

 

These psychoactive drugs they use are very powerful, and they easily change normal brain chemistry.

 

Also, these drugs have been shown to prevent recovery from mental illness.

 

You say, sometimes patients get better, and sometimes they get worse, and sometimes they remain the same.  And then you still insist that this kind of drug therapy is a good idea.  Your belief sounds like BLIND FAITH to me....obviously....

 

 

Blind faith is how many doctors work. No one knows what medicine will work unless it's tried. All they have now is these meds to help with symptoms of depression, as nothing else will work with a clinical diagnose besides talk therapy and treating the symptoms, which helps the patient get closer to normal. Right now, there isn't any approach that's working , and of course all meds have side effects, some of which are worse than the original symptoms. People are like guinea pigs but what else can they do?

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What robot are you using to compile your list of traits of narcissists, presented here?

 

And, YES, I am NO narcissist, according to this list.

 

Also, why should I state that I am not a GENIUS, just to please you?

Would this not be dishonest for me to do so?

 

Still, I must admit, on rare occasions, some of my fantasies border on grandiosity, like the times I dream of saving the world from Psychiatric Quackery....

 

 

 

 

Grandiosity is a symptom of a narcissist personality disorder. Telling others you're a genius shows some things. A genius doesn't need to tell others they're a genius. Smart people can tell if another is smart by the way they talk. Bragging about being a genius is a show of a low self esteem, looking for attention. Believe me, NO ONE cares if you're a genius or not. Not one. Telling others you are shows us you're not, because a smart person doesn't need to show off.

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

So then, you expect a psychiatrist to write the definitive book critiquing the field of psychiatry? And, you want me to read such a book?

 

OK.

 

What about THESE books, written by a psychiatrist....

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1049731511419372

 

 

 

Yes.

Shrinks are NUTZO, simply because they know not what they do.

 

In fact, it would be far better to study the social science, Psychology, which is more of a science than Psychiatry will ever be.

 

 

The study of how the brain works, especially in a variety of people, is still far away from being right on. This is why I said a doctor has to evaluate before he recommends a particular treatment. Of course many doctors are quick to prescribe meds without taking everything into consideration and this isn't doing the job intended but looking for a quick answer. This happens again with all types of doctors, who use meds as a band aid without completely evaluating the patient to see what would be the best approach. Some have taken meds and gotten worse, many have gotten better, and some haven't changed, so it shows everyone's response isn't the same, and should be looked at individually and continually evaluated to make sure progress is made.

25 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And obviously ALLWAYS believe women. Yeah, sure, they would never lie. 

From what we can see and have read, she didn't want him to train her anymore, so he should have left it at that and moved on. Nothing she could have said there should have made him throw her to the ground. Women and men lie all the time, and people get hurt by these lies, and it creates anger for sure, but one must show restraint, especially in a public situation. She didn't hit him, so self defense wasn't needed here. If she said something to piss him off, which might have happened, it still doesn't warrant throwing a woman to the ground. A man walks away, a boy's feelings are hurt, and he reacts from this by showing his anger. Doesn't matter how strong or weak he is, a man's strength is shown by how he treats others, and how he reacts when pushed.

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Thank GOD!

 

From reading your other posts, mostly skimming as you say, I had begun to worry that I might be a narcissist!

 

But, thankfully, since I feel great empathy for others, including you by the way, and according to your statement, it is impossible that I am a narcissist.

 

Thank YOU!

 

 

Thinking you are always right and others wrong, that you are a genius and having to tell others this daily, is also a symptom of narcissism. It's called grandiosity. If you're an empath, others will notice this.

15 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Are you sure there is no cure for narcissism?

 

What about....

"The Talking Cure"

Surely that would work!

 

It is said that there is no cure, simply because most narcissists are happy in their narcissism, and their narcissism provides benefits for them, meaning that they feel very little motivation to change.

 

But I am curious now.

You say that you have read so many (countless) science articles and science books.

Therefore, does this mean that you are able to provide your view of what Science is?

 

Are you even able to state clearly and concisely your definition of what Science is?

 

You have already stated that I am mistaken in my view of what Science is.

 

Fine. In your opinion, what is Science?

 

 

I think you, like some others, don't really read what I write, and just skim through, missing the details. I didn't say anything about reading science books. I read about psychology, depression, narcissism, relationships and the like. Science, to me, is the same as it is to everyone else. The study of the natural world based on evidence from experimentation, observation and testing. I didn't say you were mistaken in your view of science. I stated that psychiatry is a science, and that definition proves it. Please try not to assume what you know about me or anyone else in a forum. You have absolutely no idea what I know. And no, there is no cure for narcissism, even if the narcissist knows they have it. It's a learned behavior, from childhood, being either abused and or neglected, or spoiled by one or both of their parents or caretakers. The anger they get from this type of "parenting" leaves them with no empathy for others, and the only thing they understand is control or abuse.

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Wow.

Now you are confusing Psychiatry with Neuroscience?

 

No, Psychiatry is not science.

Yes, of course, neuroscience can be considered a science, depending upon how the research is done.

 

 

I'm not confusing anything with anything. You are plain confused, gullible and without the proper knowledge on this subject, and are making claims because you believe in what a few have said, while facts speak for themselves. I go by facts. You go by what some people say that have had a bad experience with a certain drug or method. And the more you post, the more you are trying to convince me you're right, when you are only making an opinion garnered from what a few have said, not by the research that has been done and proven. Like I said before, try actually reading a book by a psychiatrist or psychologist before just nitpicking excerpts from people who have had problems by taking the wrong medication.

49 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Wrong.

Psychiatrists have prescribed, and do routinely prescribe, psychoactive drugs with VERY LITTLE understanding about efficacy and side-effects, and it's always hit or miss, AND these drugs do GREAT HARM.  AND, these drugs often seem to make patients WORSE, and not better.

 

Also, psychiatry, during recent decades, has shifted from the cognitive therapy approach to the drug management of mental illness.

 

Psychiatry, these days, is DANGEROUS for your health, and, this time, I am being deadly serious.

YES, it is true that I am a genius if one of the qualifications for being a genius is the ability to avoid ingesting harmful substances prescribed by a psychiatrist (QUACK-QUACK!, QUACK-QUACK!).

 

Watch this Video by Robert Whitaker, a presentation to the Council for Evidence-based Psychiatry, if you can understand it given your obvious bias against evidence-based science.

 

Concerning the use of drugs such as Xanax and benzos in general:

 

Here is the BEST example of what can happen when taking Benzos.

Benzos should never be taken regularly, and these drugs are so powerful because they change brain chemistry.

Drugs will NEVER work, simply because the brain, by its very nature, rebounds and adapts and habituates and COMPENSATES.

 

If you want to end up like this, then just take benzos....

I do not take these drugs, being a genius.

But, some geniuses, such as Peterson, no matter how smart they pretend to be, are still ignorant, as even Jordon admits of himself, about the harm that benzos can do.  How can one have studied the brain and not know this?????  Incredible!  But, most humans, seem to be born dumb, and stay that way.

 

So, watch Jordan on Benzos....or after being on Benzos.  It's not a pretty sight!

 

Or, after Jordan returned after treatment for the effects of Benzos in Russia.

The drugs routinely used by psychiatrists are dangerous.

These Quacks actually are aware of the danger, yet, probably due to cognitive dissonance and other defense mechanisms, they continue to do harm, and to rake in big bucks from their patients (victims).

 

 

How does Cognitive Dissonance play such a large role in the harm being done by those practicing psychiatry, and especially those using this pharmacological approach to treatment of mental illness?

 

Simple:

Some young student decides to pursue the study of psychiatry.

Said student spend many year and much money to get a degree.

Student spend even more years in residency, and getting shrunk himself by other shrinks.

After all this......

After all THIS....

It would be almost impossible to quit the field and to stop the practice of psychiatry.

The only alternative for the student is to reduce anxiety through maintaining the belief that psychiatry is the most effective means of treating mental illness, and that the use of psychotropic drugs is warranted, and that the risk is not severe.

 

Of course, its all Hog Wash.

Either the shrink knows what he is doing, or he does not.

But the result is the same.

Patients are being harmed by a PSEUDOSCIENCE (PROTOSCIENCE, such as alchemy, for example).

 

I have never suffered from clinical depression.

Therefore, I cannot fully empathize with psychiatric patients who reach out and clutch at straws to rid themselves of the pain of depression and mental illness.

 

Furthermore, how can we expect the general public and lay audience to question the all-powerful medical profession, including the High Priests of the Psychiatric Profession?

 

Since the 1980s, Cognitive Therapy has been on the decline. The average clinical visit to see a shrink, these days, has been reduced to 15 minutes. The Quacks have opted to medicate.  Medicating patients is far more cost-effective, and far less time consuming.

 

Only guys like Woody Allen can afford to be properly shrunk in our Brave New World.

 

Here is a book you might enjoy.....

 

 

 

Jordon Peterson:

 

What a NITWIT...

Peterson was brought low, brought down, by the very psychoactive drugs that he prescribed!!!!!

 

Peterson.....

HOIST WITH HIS OWN PETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So, with psychoactive drugs, it appears that what is good for the geese (his patients), is not so good for the gander (Jordon).

This could not have happened to a better man.

 

 

 

 

You can keep posting nonsense all day, and it won't get you anywhere because, again, you're wrong. Drugs that treat symptoms of depression have saved many lives. Yes, like any drug given, some aren't right for a particular patient, so that's why a person with depression needs to be evaluated to see how the medicine is, or isn't working. Depression has no cure. if you think it does, you're as blind as anyone who thinks they're a genius can be. Brains work on chemicals,

8 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You know what, Sir?

I think this is a rather important Topic we have hit upon.

 

Of course, psychiatry is NOT a science.

But, the important question is:

 

Why do some misinformed people believe it to be a science?

That is the question!

 

 

Anyway, you might find this argument interesting, concerning whether or not psychiatry is a science:

 

I do not agree that psychiatry should be banned.

Psychiatry is a religion, and entirely faith-based, and does not rely on science.

It is also one of those Mumbo-Jumbo Black Arts, and the practice of psychiatry IS an art, not a science.

 

These so-called doctors continue to do a great deal of harm, especially when they begin proscribing psychoactive drugs about which they know extremely little.  They do not know how these drugs work. And, they have extremely little insight about the short-term and long-term side effects of psychoactive drugs.

 

Psychiatrists probably should be banned from prescribing psychoactive drugs without first putting many more safeguards in place.

 

Fortunately, being the genius that I am, I would never take psychoactive drugs, for ANY reason.

 

When we being to almost randomly fool with the complex chemical processes in the human brain, we are asking for trouble, BIG TIME.

 

One other important problem with psychoactive drugs is habituation, which ALWAYS occurs.

Many psychiatrists downplay habituation.

Why?

The answer is simple:  Those Quacks are NOT Scientists.  

 

In Addition:  Most/All psychiatrists are unable to live up to the oath of ethics.... Do No Harm

 

Nobody likes scammers.

Someday, these priests of the medical fringe will be defrocked!

 

 

 

 

 

You debunk what's a fact and try and find a link just to prove your point, albeit wrong. You're taking the opinion of an anonymous poster instead of the written words of people who have written many books on the subject. This shows your propensity for being very gullible and one who doesn't believe in factual evidence but has to argue the point to boost his low self esteem on a forum where most people don't give a damn anyway, or they haven\t any knowledge on the subject, much like yourself.

Continually trying to convince others that you're some kind of genius is very sad, as it shows you are jealous of those with more intelligence than yourself. It doesn't matter how smart a person is anyway, unless they're contributing to society, just as Aaron Beck has done. He's written over 60 books to help others. How many books have you written? Who are people more likely to believe? Someone with a PHD in psychiatry or one with a PHD in bulls*it?

Many psychiatrists have saved many lives prescribing drugs for those suffering with depression. Many times it takes a little experimentation with these drugs because not everyone is the same how they react to certain medicines, and the first one prescribed sometimes doesn't always work, nor does the next one and you need to evaluate the patient until the right one is found to help with their symptoms. Have you saved any lives? Your theories are wrong, and it makes you look more foolish in every reply, so it might be best to move to japan and find that perfect highly intelligent woman to take care of you, and while you're there, find a good shrink, because you definitely need something. This from Britannica, so you understand a tad better..............https://www.britannica.com/science/psychiatry

16 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Wow.

Where are the men in the white coats when we really need them?????

 

 

Hopefully headed your way

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

No it isn't.

 

Yes it is. Please refrain from commenting on a subject you know little about. Better yet, read Aaron beck's book, and come back in a couple of months when you're done and you'll understand what he has written. Or maybe you won't. You claim to be a genius but the way you talk, are very far from it.  You comment and disregard things you know nothing about, and harp on one person's article on how twins are when they're separated. I mentioned this before. Anyone who separates children at birth, especially twins, isn't normal and if they conduct an experiment on this, instead of putting those children back together, they should be jailed.

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Oh PLEASE...

This guy died in 2021 AGE 100!

 

Also, he is a NITWIT psychiatrist.

Psychiatry is NOT Science!

 

Furthermore, although this guy Beck taught at the University of Pennsylvania, he also graduated from Brown!

We all know about the WIFTY thinking at Brown University.  Those guys are TRULY Off the Wall!

 

I will say, one more time:  Psychiatry is NOT Science.  If you want to read POP PSY BOOKS, then go ahead.

 

I would NEVER trust any PENN Psychiatrist, for anything, farther than I could throw him.

And, I suggest that you follow my lead.

 

 

 

What are headshrinkers good for?

Nothing.

 

 

You have your opinions and they are valid but again, you're wrong. You never read his book, and I'm thinking you found one topic and decided it encompasses everything about what makes a child do what they do later in life. I've read over 65 books on various areas of psychology, and thousands, yes, I did say thousands, of articles on the same subject. I started back 30 years ago and haven't stopped. You believe in one person's opinion and disregard others, who have published many books. I would bet big money you have not read near what I have in just one area, be it depression, narcissism or interpersonal relationships. In fact, I'm thinking because you keep disregarding what I'm telling you, and this from proven methods since I was born, you , being a "genius", in your own words, are a perfect example of a malignant narcissist, because you do it blatantly, unlike my ex, who is a covert narcissist, if you understand what that means. And by the way , psychiatry is a science. Saying it isn't also shows your lack of knowledge on the subject, and seeing you believe one person's theories and not others who are proven, shows you are gullible. Boy, when you go off on a tangent, nothing gets through. Read more, post less, learn more.