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11 minutes ago, Scott said:Diplomatically and politically there are some major hurdles. How do you think the Thai gov't is going to react to US citizens being given vaccines ahead of Thais? How do you think the general Thai population is going to react?
THESE (quoted above) are the big issues that make me think IF it happens at all, it'll happen well into the Thai government's own vaccination effort. Well put!
The logistics are all... well, just logistics. We aren't talking about logistics done the Thai way, where there may be a traditional way or customary way of doing things. No need to over complicate things.
Security: Set up a large air-conditioned tent just inside the embassy complex. No need for people to enter buildings. Or use the grounds of the Ambassador's Residence (for the US at least). I hear there's no current Ambassador, so why not?
Scheduling: Use an online appointment system to minimize wait times. Don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Appointment time: The line for those with appointments can run outside of the embassy complex. Admit people in batches.
Medical staff/Emergency care: Medical staff can be arranged from a local hospital. The number of people who have experienced side effects requiring medical care is infinitesimally small, and in the event of a serious emergency, there are plenty of hospitals in the area.
Vaccine Storage: The vaccine with the most difficult storage requirements is the PhyPfizer-BioNTech vaccine. But even that isn't complicated anymore. In February, the US FDA announced that it is "allowing undiluted frozen vials of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to be transported and stored at conventional temperatures commonly found in pharmaceutical freezers for a period of up to two weeks."
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2 hours ago, connda said:
The roles of embassies are to project power and influence in the countries in which they resided. Expats are but an afterthought and are basically made to pay for any services rendered.
I don't expect my country to provide vaccines for their overseas expats as they'd consider it to be none of their business.I generally agree with your first paragraph, except that I would have no problem paying for any administrative costs for the vaccine (e.g. the cost of a doctor brought in to give the shot). However the vaccine itself I've already paid for through my tax dollars.
As to the 2nd paragraph, governments (like the US) are actively pushing people to get vaccinated. It is in the national interest for every citizen to be vaccinated, regardless of where those citizens reside. Happy, healthy citizens living abroad represent their nation with every interaction they have with someone from their host country. (Whether they want to or not!)
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Alas.... Getting out of dodge requires flying on planes where there will likely be infected individuals. Not necessarily on the flight out of Thailand but on connecting flights. And of course, there's the issue of getting back IN to dodge.
If an Embassy has vaccinated all staff working at the embassy (which I would hope would include Thais, not simply nationals of that that embassy) then they clearly have a way of transporting and administering vaccines.
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Interesting article here....
A couple of quotes....
QuoteMore than 5 million Americans residing outside the United States face a similar predicament, watching the country’s successful inoculation drive, some from places where vaccination has scarcely begun.... Why, some overseas Americans are wondering, should they be left out?
And this....
QuoteIt comes down to what responsibility, if any, the U.S. government has to its overseas citizens. The U.S. is unusual among most countries in that its citizens must still file annual tax returns even if they don’t live in America. All of its citizens, regardless of where they live, are also eligible to vote. So as taxpayers and voters, don’t these citizens have a legitimate claim to the U.S. government’s aid in a public-health crisis?
The whole piece is worth a read.
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4 hours ago, Sundown said:
Tragic news but...I wonder if before 2020 30 years old people never died? Just asking..
59 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:You sound like the defense attorney for a murderer:
"You Honor, I know that it appears that my client killed the victim, but, in reality, everyone dies, so what's the big deal?"
Sounds more like a defendant who insists on defending himself.
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44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:
As far as Americans are concerned, I think it's clear that vaccinating non-embassy related Americans abroad BEFORE Thailand gets it together would be a political powder keg and definitely ain't gonna happen. I also don't see much hope even it becomes clear that we're being badly shafted AFTER Thailand gets it together. They can always just say -- YANKEE GO HOME.
Unfortunately, I think you're probably right.
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46 minutes ago, Jingthing said:Well, any package must at least enter "regular" Thailand and be transported in "regular" Thailand before reaching embassies.
Under the Vienna Convention, anything/everything sent via diplomatic bag/pouch has diplomatic immunity. It can't be searched or seized by other countries. And a diplomatic bag could be the size of a backpack, or the size of a shipping container.
There is legally nothing that would stop or prohibit embassies from importing vaccines and administering them to whomever they want on embassy property.
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5 minutes ago, Pib said:
Yeap....I'm now up to three financial/bank related accounts (i.e., like bank accts) where GV use to work for 2FA but doesn't anymore....and this change occurred over the last 18 months or so where VOIP-based numbers like GV, TextNow, MagicJack, etc., no longer work to receive 2FA tokens from certain organizations/accounts.
That sounds more like it's a financial/bank institution issue than a GV/TextNow/MagicJack problem.
Thank you for that https://2fa.directory/ link! Very useful.
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47 minutes ago, taxout said:
We've been through this before here too many times already: GV is simply not reliable when it comes to 2FA. Indeed just this week I couldn't get an SMS on GV I needed while talking with CS, even though when logging in to the website I was getting SMSs no problem.
Don't waste your time on GV for 2FA. It'll fail just when you need it.
GV has been 100% reliable for me (as in, I've always gotten messages that were expected).To clarify... the app sometimes doesn't notify you of a 2FA SMS but if you log in to https://voice.google.com/ you can see it?
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I'll add this (emphasis added):
QuoteThe State Department will not be vaccinating all of its citizens abroad, though, and has told citizens to either secure vaccines in the country they live or travel home for a vaccine. They have also warned citizens against the use of vaccines from China and Russia as they have not provided “transparent, peer-reviewed scientific evidence of their safety and efficacy."
Source: https://www.devex.com/news/how-embassies-are-tackling-covid-19-vaccinations-99505
However, I think that could change over time and depending on the circumstances. For example, if the Thai government came out with a firm policy that said vaccines were for Thai nationals only, and countries were free to offer vaccines to their own citizens.
I recall the US Embassy kept insisting that they would absolutely NOT issue Covid Extensions letters that Thai Immigration started to require months back.... Until they did start issuing letters.
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22 minutes ago, taxout said:
The real problem with mobile-based 2FA is that it makes loss of your phone an utter disaster, especially if outside the U.S.
For SMS 2FA you can always access Google Voice via a web browser. You can also set GV to forward text messages to an email address.
There are a lot of options when it comes to mobile 2FA apps. Authy is a good option (it can replace Google Authenticator and other similar apps). And Authy also has Windows/Mac/Linux apps. https://authy.com/blog/why-is-the-authy-2fa-app-free-for-users/
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1 hour ago, Brierley said:
Have you seen how much the UK Embassy charges just to witness a signature? Can you imagine how much they would charge to vaccinate you against covid? Jeeze, whatever were you thinking.
Vaccinating your citizens against a deadly virus during a global pandemic could be considered to be several orders of magnitude more important than witnessing a signature, no?
Not saying embassies would necessarily see it that way as I think the optics (eg "privileged farang") can create a barrier to their providing vaccines to expats... at least until the Thai government starts mass vaccinations of Thais.
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1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:I'm pretty sure embassies do not meet the requirements laid down by the Thai government for being a vaccination centre.
These include being a licensed medical facility with the personnel, equipment and facilities to deal with any allergic reactions that can occur, such as anaphylactic shock.
Would that matter? Embassies are sovereign territory. Thailand would have no say over what goes on inside another country's embassy.
Also, most embassies will have a medical professional on staff (likely a military medical doctor, but at least a registered nurse).
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On 4/24/2021 at 1:51 AM, NanLaew said:
Due to the recent LinkedIn data scrape my PayPal and some other internet subs have been compromised so I am re-securing account logins and passwords. I gave up my US AT&T mobile number last Fall as the $80/month wasn't worth it but I never followed up on the alternatives in time.
As a quick fix, I tried to set up a Google Voice line but that needed a US number for a verification code.
I then secured a Skype number, all good but that wasn't accepted as a number for verifying a new Google Voice number setup.
The Skype number has been accepted for primary contact for Bank of America and authorization codes were received OK but it doesn't appear to work with the bank's optional 'safepass' system (an extra level of security for certain transactions). I will need to see if it works for PayPal and the others I need to change.
In the meantime, my buddy in the US is going to get a 'second line' on his T-Mobile account and after setting it up the same as his one, will send the SIM over here and we'll split the monthly bill. He and others have used their T-Mobile SIM's over here with basic global roaming and sms enabled (no data packages) and it wasn't an expensive add-on like bloody AT&T's was. Once I get that SIM over here, I will set up the Google Voice account. Covering all bases and if it all works, I can drop the Skype one since it costs money.
You can also have your friend get that SIM card and pop it into his phone. You can then set up GV on your phone with the activation code sent to his phone. You just need to coordinate so he can tell you that code.
Once you've got GV activated on your Google account you can remove the US SIM card from the account and then cancel the extra line.
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23 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:Ages of the deceased announced on Sunday ranged between 27 and 70, but most victims were aged in their 30s.
It sure seems as though the virus strain in Thailand is effecting younger people much more than is typical with the original or UK strain. Much more like the Brazilian strain or something new.
The biggest problem right now is the slow vaccination rollout (and vaccine hesitancy in the same parts of the world where many maskholes reside). Delaying vaccinations gives time for new variants of the virus to develop and take hold. New virus strains can:
- have a longer asymptomatic phase
- be easier to catch
- last longer
- cause more severe symptoms
- result in more deaths among all age groups
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Would you accept vaccination frim your embassy if offered? Or will you stick it out with Thais?
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I was talking with a friend living in Japan about the possibility of expats getting vaccinations at their embassies. He seemed to think it would happen - eventually. I personally don't think it will because the optics of it are pretty bad. I would guess that that diplomats and citizens working at embassies (and their family members) have already been (or will be) vaccinated. But for regular expats there would just be too many issues.
Of course, if Thailand really is going to put foreign nationals at the back of the line for getting vaccines, rather than prioritize based on age/risk group, then an argument could be made in favor of embassies providing vaccinations as a "service" for their citizens and to help Thailand focus on vaccinating Thai nationals.
In some countries (USA for example) it seems there will soon be more vaccinations available than people who want them, while here in Thailand there are lots of people who want them but can't get them.
What do you think? Would it be a good idea for countries to offer their citizens vaccinations at their embassies? What would the diplomatic implications of doing this be? Could it even happen?
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3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:You're forgetting Thailand's heat and humidity...a scorcher in Phuket today. Do you think that's why we only had 10 cases yesterday?
The main reason for low case numbers these days seems to be related to testing and reporting:
- Discourage testing: Tell people that IF they test positive, they must go into warehouse quarantine on cardboard beds. If you don't go, you'll face severe penalties (fines/jail).
- Prevent testing: Tell people going to hospitals that all beds are taken and you won't test anyone until there is space available.
- Delayed reporting: Reports of new daily infections seem to contain data from 2-3 days earlier, not 1 day.
- Obfuscated reporting: Make reporting complex and confused by over-reporting details about each death (when a person first got sick, when they got tested, when they were admitted to a hospital, when they went on a ventilator, a full list of comorbidities....). I've read articles where 70% of the article carried details of deaths, 20% carried details of "imported" cases, and at the bottom are case numbers.
There are other reasons to be sure, but these are the things I've noticed.
What other methods are used to keep case counts down these days?
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34 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:
The online appointment certainly speeded up my processing time!
It does speed things up, though it also means anyone/everyone on planet earth can see your private data like name, passport number, date of birth.... They don't just fail to use an SSL certificate (needed for HTTPS). They also have left all the data publicly accessible to anyone/everyone who wants to poke around to get it.
It isn't that hard to make the site just a wee bit more secure, but apparently they don't care.
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On 1/21/2021 at 8:11 PM, homeseeker said:
I did my extension last week at CW.
OP: I realize you are motivated by helfulness so well done, but you are making a mountain out of a molehill!
Dear oh dear:
Have a nice day!
I agree. I didn't need all the extra stuff the OP wrote about. I also didn't need a copy of my lease, so one less thing than they asked of you.
(I HAVE ATTACHED THE EXTRA FORMS THEY REQUIRED TO THIS POST)
To clarify, these are the exact things I was required to submit in addition to the TM7 application form:
- Copy of passport (photo page, prior Non-O visa stamp page, TM6 card front and back)
- Copy of bank passbook (copied at copy shop in basement of CW building after depositing 100 baht in my account on the day of my extension application)
- Bank letter (generated by the bank in basement of CW building on the day of my extension application)
- Map showing where I live (quick map drawn by hand)
I was also given the following forms to fill out (see attachments):
- Statement (no other name than that, though there is something written in Thai in the upper right - this is quite the confusing form)
- Criteria for Consideration of Granting an Alien's Extension of Stay in the Kingdom Attachment to the Order of the Royal Thai Police no 548/2562 dated September 27, 2019 (this is basically a list of requirements that they make you look at and sign on the bottom)
- The standard "Acknowledgment of Penalties for a Visa Overstay" that everyone gets now.
- The standard "Acknowledgement of Terms and Conditions for Permit of Temporary Stay in the Kingdom of Thailand (STM.2)" that everyone gets now.
The attachments of the forms to this post aren't really of submission quality, but I DO suggest you familiarize yourself with that first one, the nameless "Statement" as it's a little confusing! You basically put your own name and information down multiple times on the same form.
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4 hours ago, Patjqm said:
Apparently there are no covid deads, if low or mild symptoms, herd immunity could be reached by natural infection..
3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:that's been proven false. Sweden admits herd immunity can't be achieved naturally.
1 hour ago, Patjqm said:Not according this article from scientifists, published by the Lancet. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30555-5/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR0qAuGQhqT96RWah_DpYXyXQHrH3VCvXHxRDP0u0OcN30UFCXlHKjPDSeA
Your original statement that "herd immunity could be reached by natural infection" and followed up with your rebuttal ("Not according to this article....") to Jeffr2's assertion that what you wrote is false, may leave an impression that you've cited an article that backs up your claim.
I clicked the link and read the article and it does not back you up. It does not prove herd immunity works. Rather, the article discusses two conflicting approaches to public health policy. One approach (which you appear to support) is to use "focused protection" until herd immunity can be reached naturally. The other approach, which you failed to mention and is also supported by thousands of experts, "described focused protection as 'a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence' and warned that 'uncontrolled transmission in younger people risks significant morbidity and mortality across the whole population'. (emphasis added)
The article you linked to concludes in this way....
Kuldorff and colleagues reckon a focused protection approach would lead to herd immunity some time between 3 and 6 months, after which the vulnerable could return to normal life. Walensky retorts that the herd immunity point has not been established, nor is it clear how stable this immunity would be. [SNIP] “I am not willing to stand behind a policy that leads to 10 or 15 times more deaths”, said Walensky. She would prefer to wait for herd immunity to be conferred by a vaccine. Most experts believe the earliest this could happen would be the second half of 2021. The debate over what to do in the interim looks set to continue.
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10 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:
after 10 months of no magical infection in thailand, don't you think we might just all be positive ???
Since far fewer than 100% of those tested are positive, I'd say that's a big... Nope!
10 hours ago, ftpjtm said:So the solution is to forbid the distribution of the Pfizer vaccine in Thailand?
Apparently it can't be given to Thai front line workers because the Thai government wants them to wait for their less effective domestic alternative.
Nope. Didn't say that at all. If the Pfizer vaccine can be secured, it should be distributed to front line workers first. But the fact is the storage and distribution requirements make it very impractical for widespread use Thailand.
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2 hours ago, ftpjtm said:Well isn't that nice. Thailand is going with the one that's proven least effective so far, and is lagging behind others due to screw ups in testing.
Perhaps there are good reasons why they are going with one vaccine over another? One thought that comes to mind....
QuoteRight now, Pfizer says its vaccine needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius and can last in a specialty freezer for up to six months. The specialty shippers can hold up to five "pizza box" trays of vials and be refreshed with dry ice every five days for up to 15 days to keep the vaccine at the right frozen temperature.
Even that presents challenges, though — a Pfizer scientist told a CDC advisory council in August that it's not supposed to be opened more than twice a day and needs to be closed within one minute of opening. Once it's thawed, the vaccine can be refrigerated for five days.
Moderna says its vaccine candidate is stable at regular freezer temperature — minus 20 degrees Celsius — for up to six months, and after thawing it can last in the refrigerator for 30 days. It can also be kept at room temperature for up to 12 hours. This, explains Kristensen, is useful for health care workers in the field, "because now the vaccine doesn't need to go in and out of the refrigerator each time it's administered."
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QuoteAstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine candidate, dubbed AZD1222, can be stored and transported at normal refrigerated temps of 2 degrees to 8 degrees Celsius (36 degrees to 46 degrees Fahrenheit) for at least six months and can be administered in "existing healthcare settings," giving the shot a major logistics leg up over a leading mRNA-based competitor that requires ultra-cold storage.
The ability to effectively distribute AstraZeneca's vaccine around the world could make a big difference in how the future market for COVID-19 shots shakes out.
Also...
1 hour ago, ftpjtm said:Sorry, I don't see the upside to forbidding those willing to pay for a vaccine which has been approved by most Western medical testing agencies from receiving the vaccine in Thailand. Unless protecting the interests of Siam Bioscience is more important than protecting Thai residents.
Those who can afford to pay are always able to cut to the front of the line. You'll here those who feel entitled and who are privileged say, "Well, that's life!" But sometimes even those who can pay should have to wait in line with everyone else.
Not a single person in Thailand should receive a vaccine until after front line workers have received it. Health care workers and people who have to interact with others who are sick or in quarantine should be vaccinated first, which will not only help to protect these workers but the rest of the country as well.
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Who doesn't allow them to?