Adelphi
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I never respond to trolls. Nothing upsets them more than being ignored.
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Utterly ridiculous how they have posed for this photograph. Although it says everything about how they view foreigners who are almost never violent even if they have overstayed. They really are determined to make it clear that foreigners are the enemy. Welcome to Amazing Thailand. Over 30 years ago we used to refer to it as the land of smiles - what a joke that is now.
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I have a Thai partner but we are not married so legally I am classed as single.
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I am a single guy with no children stuck outside of Thailand. I have a non immigrant OA visa (retirement) and my re-entry permit expires mid February 2021.
I would like to get back to Thailand this year before the UK winter starts. I would be grateful for peoples views - should I hold on in the hope that the Thai Government will extend the groups of people being allowed to return to include people in my position. Alternatively should I now start applying for an Elite Visa and try to get back that way - fortunately I can cover all of the various costs. I would prefer to return on my existing visa but I will pay for the Elite Visa if it is the only way to get back to Thailand and my partner.
Thank you in advance for all constructive contributions.
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Thailand's border has been closed for about 5 months now. They have a shed-load of empty hotels and no tourists, a bankrupt airline in the hands of the Receiver and tens of thousands of staff who have been laid off and who desperately need to earn a living. Any semi-incompetent Government would have put these constituent parts together months ago and organised sufficient repatriation packages for all those Thais and foreigners who want to return. Naturally the foreigners would have had to meet the full economic cost. It would have been the humanitarian thing to do as well as generating employment and foreign currency for Thailand. The fact that this has not happened speaks volumes. The Government does not want these people back and has no intention of opening up the country. The endless stories about travel bubbles etc. is jut a smoke screen. I suggest those stuck outside Thailand make themselves as comfortable as they can for at least six months. Perhaps consider if there is another destination that might suit your needs. I just don't see anything changing any time soon which is kind of sad.
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As a Scot I always felt that we were stronger together regardless of the internal tensions. Unfortunately IMO the Brexiteers have pushed the UK internal tensions to breaking point. I think given the exit deal that that Boris negotiated from the EU that it is now a question of when, and not if, Northern Ireland joins the rest of Ireland. Like many other Scott's I know; I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the UK is no longer fit for purpose and Scotland should become an independent country again. Thankfully the EU have made it clear that we will be fast tracked into the EU as all of our Regulations etc. are still EU compliant. I hope that we can part on good terms as I have so many very good friends south of the border. I wish nothing but the very best for the rest of the UK, even if my country is no longer a member of that union. As an aside I do find it very funny how so many Brexiteers struggle with the concept of "Scotland taking back control".
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A number of people are asking who will pay these prices. I guess anyone who flies Business or First would not bat an eyelid at these prices. Indeed some of those people may only be willing to consider booking at the top end of this list in any situation. Remember there are a lot of rich farangs who like Thailand I have a number of friends who are very well off but fly economy as they think the additional cost of Business is not worth it; but if this is what they have to pay to get back they will just get the credit card out. Surprise surprise those who can afford to pay extra to get back will be at the front of the queue. The one good point is that if these hotels can make significant profits they will obviously want to expand there capacity in this higher end sector. Keep in mind just how many top end hotels are closed and not making profits for their owners. Those hotel groups are probably in a much better position to put pressure on the right people to get more repatriation flights flying and increase the groups of people who can enter Thailand and therefore make more money from. Don't knock it it is just business and it might get things moving faster for the rest of us who are prepared to put up with the quarantine.
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This story surprised me. I applied for my UK passport (in the UK) online 4 July and sent my old passport off. 21 July I received an email telling me that my new passport was on its way to me by secure courier. Maybe I just got lucky.
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Assuming this goes ahead as planned there will be a lot of people buying one way tickets from Thailand to their home country. I guess that is going to mean a lot of very empty planes making the other leg of the journey unless the Thai Government relaxes who it lets enter Thailand.
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I have sympathy with the Government trying to keep the country safe and restricting entry to do that. You just need to look round the world to understand the fears. What I simply cannot understand is why after 3 months the Thai Government has not got in place sufficient capacity to allow safely all of the Thais and foreigners who want to enter Thailand to do so e.g. testing and quarantine. It is not as if there are a shortage of planes, hotels or workers to achieve this. It would create jobs and generate economic activity much of which would be funded by foreign currency. Initially I thought that it was just bureaucratic inefficiency. Although I don't naturally reach for conspiracy theories but as so much time has passed with so little effective activity I am coming to the conclusion that the status quo is what the Government wants. I hope I am wrong.
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3 minutes ago, NewlyMintedThai said:
Come on...you really don’t know why Thailand isn’t on the list?
It is because travel corridors/bubbles require reciprocal agreement.
Thailand refused to agree to reciprocal travel rights for travelers from the UK, so game off.
Not sure about that. I just had a quick check of the list. As far as I know Australia and New Zealand will not let people from the UK visit their countries but they are on the list of countries who's citizens can visit the UK.
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53 minutes ago, fraggleRock said:
Well it seems the UK Government don’t trust of believe the death figures in Thailand also, why? Well travelling from Thailand to the UK your are STILL required to do 2 weeks quarantine... Vietnam is trusted... oh dear Thailand, what went wrong ...
For all of the UK's failings it's scientists/doctors still carry some weight. They will have been heavily involved in drawing up this list. Countries like Vietnam, South Korea and Japan will take not that they have been included but Thailand excluded. I can't see this helping Thailand get its abridges in place with other low risk Asian countries.
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2 hours ago, garygooner said:
I have absolutely no wish to live to be 90!
I wonder if you would make the same post when you are 89.
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With all of the empty hotels and airplanes I just don't understand why the Thai Government have not by now seriously ramped up their capacity to allow people to come to Thailand and do two weeks quarantine at their own expense in a suitable hotel. Clearly not many tourists would opt for this but many others with long term visas would. It would create income for the hotels and airlines. It would also allow those non Thais who want to come back to Thailand and spend foreign currency to do so without any possible risk in terms of the virus. This would be a clear win win. I can't make up my mind if the Thai Governments position is one of incompetence or xenophobia.
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Well so much for consensual policing designed to serve the community. For quite some time I thought that the Police, Immigration Service etc. were just clumsy and a bit out of touch. I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that their behaviour is driven by arrogance and xenophobia; particularly in respect of farangs. Who do they think will fund their existence if the foreigners go elsewhere. I have a Thai partner and so I will tolerate how things are for now. If my relationship broke down then I would certainly look seriously at relocating to another SE Asian country. It is very sad as I have such fond memories of the Land of Smiles I fell in love with over 30 years ago.
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I wish my countries finances were as sound as Thailand's. My country like so many western countries continues to increase the overall level of debt even thought we know that our demographics very clearly show that we are an ageing population i.e. fewer young people of working age in future to shoulder the growing debt burden and pay the additional retirement pensions. And then people wonder why the Baht keeps appreciating.
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Hi. I have an OA based on retirement which is due its first renewal February 2021. I understand that I can go for the renewal one one before expiry. Surely if I go one month before expiry and the IO say I must have insurance that would give me more than enough time to go and buy a policy and then re-apply.
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Obviously we need more clarity but they are now talking about letting us return to Thailand. At the very least I am counting it as a step in the right direction even if I am not holding my breath regarding getting a flight back in July.
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1 hour ago, HerbyJFlash said:
I can’t believe I’m actually saying it , but as I am from the U.K and can’t see us ever becoming a non high risk country, (we eased lockdown today despite still having 8,000 infections a day) I actually hope thailand make me quarantine rather than ban me entirely.
What a mess the U.K. government have made and are making ...
Hi Herby. Where did you get the 8,000 figure from. The latest figure issued by the UK Government today is 1,887 new people recorded as bring infected. I agree not good but on an improving trend and way better than 8,000.
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3 hours ago, Adelphi said:
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Thailand unlike a lot of western countries (including my own) does not have a huge and growing government debt. It has not undertaken massive quantitative easing which undermines the value of currencies. It leaned from its last crisis and does not borrow overly in foreign currencies. It has very substantial foreign currency reserves to call on. In addition, it is not committed to funding a large and growing welfare state.
Perhaps some of the above might just explain why the Baht has been appreciating.
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Long article in Financial Times (UK Edition 16 May) by their Bangkok Bureau Chief regarding Thailand restarting its tourism industry. Can't post a link as it is subscription. Based on what sounded like informed sources the Thai government has a 3 stage plan. 1 - get domestic tourism started. 2 - within a few months open up to other Asian nations who have the virus under control which includes China. 3- towards the end of the year open up to Europe and North America. No mention of having to quarantine on arrival. We will see.
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UK Government Ministers now talking about introducing two weeks quarantine as part of the next stage of the fight against the Covid 19 - same as Thailand already has. Until we have a vaccine I think quarantine could become normal across the world. If correct then we will see a resumption of flights but at a very significantly reduced frequency. Some people, like me, would be willing to accept two weeks quarantine for what they considered absolutely essential flights but the Tourism Industry would be all but dead.
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9 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:
A re-entry permit does no allow you to stay in the country. It only keeps your permit to stay valid it was issued for when you enter the country.
It appears you will need get a new re-entry permit before you leave the country since it will be expired when you enter the country.
Thanks ubonjoe. Sorry if I was not clear. I want to leave Thailand and when I re-enter Thailand begin afresh my visa application.
I just was not sure if I had to have my re-entry permit transferred from my old to my new passport. I would prefer not to bother but I don't want problems with the immigration people when I am leaving Thailand.
Quarantine could come down to TEN days but not seven, says top doc
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Hi Dallen. What latest information are you referring too? Can you post a link?