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The contract before it being revamped since the last couple of years or so, was in Thai only and came in a thick heap. Since "modernization," I don't know when exactly since during the years they sent it over in pdf and I didn't even bother to print out, it now comes in English by request and consists of a mere 3 pages: -first page invoice for deposit = security deposit + advance rental. -second page the contract itself. There is no mention of cancellation, early or otherwise, anywhere. Except for what I quoted previously, the closest the contract comes to any reference to cancellation. -last page: my "intention to renew" the contract. I think this might be as simple as they wanting to keep the security deposit. If that's the case I'm willing to, as other folks have suggested, write it off and not bother with further hassle. I'm sure when returning the unit to them management will come up with all sorts of reason to "use up" the security deposit. As I mentioned before, except wear and tear to the sofa, desk, etc per normal usage, there's nothing beyond everyday living. With your long experience as landlord, I'm sure there was times when you encountered repairs or damages exceeding the security deposit. Did you ever have to bill the moving out tenants any extra charges before closing the case? Are landlords allowed by laws to do so?
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Consequence of breaching the contract: -quote from the contract itself: "If the term lease is completed, there is a right to receive a refund of the security deposit." bold-faced by me. -quote from manager email: "The lease agreement specifies an end date of June 30, 2025, but you have requested to terminate the contract and move out on January 31, 2025, which is an early termination. (Typically, this would result in the forfeiture of the security deposit.)" bold faced by me. This is also the reason the manager gave for breach of contract when we met with her. I tend to agree with @JBChiangRai that this person is not up to date in her professional knowledge, or she was simply playing safe by putting the tenant in the wrong regardless. She is 3 months on the job, first time I dealt with her and as I mentioned earlier, the turn over of her position has been alarmingly high of late. Proper Reason for cancelling the contract: Yes, there's a drop down menu in the contract cancellation request for this item. I chose the option "repatriation or foreign going back to own country" or something to that effect.
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Thank you all for your input. Much appreciated, Practically speaking, I'm fine with letting go of the security deposit. My concern is with them being a large commercial entity, what they are going to attempt to "claw" back in view of my breach of contract (their interpretation.) Are they going to present me with additional bills? For example hold up the whole deposit which includes not just security but also advance rental, and insist that I pay rent for Jan? Possibly. Will they sue me and try to get rental money they won't be getting for the rest of the contract (up to May 2025)? I don't think so... Will they harass/prevent me from moving out? I don't think so neither. Right now I just want to keep things kosher on the legal side, meaning telling them that Jan rent should be covered by the advance rental that was part of original deposit. Also I'm eager to pay utilities for both Dec and Jan. This was done by email on the day rent was due Jan 5. Also I want to return the unit to them according to protocol. Meaning when vacating the unit, I will have them present and inspect that there are no damage made during my occupancy, beside the tear and wear of furniture which after 5 years are no longer in show room condition, which they weren't to begin with. Following our meeting with her a couple of days ago, the on-site manager has sent an email to acknowledge my concern, with apology for the "delay", and to inform me that management is reviewing my request and will get back to me with "documentation." She still keeps harping about "breach of contract" by "early moving out," but I guess that's part of her job. Overall they couldn't have asked for a better tenant, 5 years of prompt paying of rents, and no damage to property, no loud partying and I didn't even take up a parking space (having no car). If they want to bother me with further grandstanding, that is because they are a big commercial entity and think they can turn the laws in their favor. Also I believe the prevailing norm in Thailand is that after the duration of the original contract has been fulfilled, tenants can move out any time as long as they give one month advance notice. This was how it was done with my previous rental to this one. Unfortunately this clause was given to me verbally by management at the time and I did not ask to have it put down in writing, trusting that it was the norm in general.
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I'm moving out of the apartment complex at the end of Jan, where I have rented one unit for the last 5 years. On 31st Dec 2024 I gave notice to management by doing the cancellation of the rental contract via their LINE account. I chose the date of the cancellation as 31 Jan 2025 so that fulfilled the one month advance notice requirement. They, the management, are supposed to reply with confirmation after 3 to 5 business days. A week prior to that, on 25th of Dec 2024 per normal schedule I received their monthly invoice, which included utilities for Dec and rental for Jan. On 05 Jan 2025, when payment is due, since I had not heard anything from management regarding my moving out/cancellation notice, I sent them an email as a reminder and asked them to send me a new invoice that reflect only the utilities part for Dec. as the Jan rent should be taken out of the last month rent that was part of my moving in deposit (advance rental + security deposit.) Yesterday 08 Jan, still cricket from management I and my Thai partner went down to the front desk to meet with the on-site manager. She told me that I'm breaching the contract/lease before it expires mid May 2025 and therefore I still have to pay rent for Jan. When I signed the original contract when moving in mid May 2020, it was explained to me that I was required to honor the one-year length of that contract, meaning if I move out before the end of the contract (it could have been just 6 mos if I remember correctly) then I will be breaching the contract and suffer the penalty (forfeiting the move in deposit). However, when the contract is renewed every year onward, that penalty no longer applied. I could move out anytime as long as I gave the one month advance notice. This waiving of penalty was explained to me only verbally, and since this was the prevailing norm which I had also experienced when moving out of the previous rental I did not really eyeball the contract (which was written in Thai) with their manager at the time (turn around of on site managers has been high lately.) The contract is renewed every year mid May and the last renewal was May 2024. Yesterday at the meeting with the current manager when I raised this issue, she shook her head and pointed to the expiration date of the current contract/lease which is mid May 2025 and said if I moved out before that date it's a breach. In the meantime I still have to pay Jan rent. She also mentioned - the whole discussion was in Thai via my partner - that there was a memo regarding the penalty issue. Which again, if there was, has not been communicated to us prior. In any event they cannot just unilaterally going back on the original agreement. The fine print of the current contract says, in English: "If the lease term is completed there is a right to receive a refund of the security deposit." It says nothing about the "advance rental" part of the moving in deposit (advance rental + security deposit.) So what is my option? The management is a big, faceless entity headquartered in downtown Bangkok and the on-site management pretty much serves as messenger with little authority. Thank you much in advance for any advice/input.
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I made a small purchase of drinks/water at 7/11 that amounts to 31 baht. I handed the cashier one 50 baht bill. As she was ringing me up, I found one baht coin and advanced it over the counter. She stared at me. I stared back. Realizing that I wasn't taking back that one baht. She pouted/sighed and reached out for her calculator. It told her to return me a 20 baht bill for change. So she did, but no receipt, no eye contact let alone a thank you. As if I had screwed up her day. Maybe I did. Sorry.
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Well, what do you expect from a "beach" BAR RESTAURANT PIZZERIA KEBAB? (as printed on bill). I'd normally stay clear of those kinds of "multi-ethic" eateries, beach side or otherwise, their kitchen consisting mostly of a couple of microwaves, with pre-mixed salad coming fresh from refrigerated bags.
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Thailand's Marriage Equality Bill to Become Law Next Month
watthong replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
Thank you, thank you, thank you. There you have it: One short paragraph telling all one needs to know re why what where and how one was born (or "becomes") gay or hetero, though said idiots decide to keep their blinders on in order to justify their oppresion of the others. Save me precious time which I don't have trying to argue with said idiots (and risking suspension for not "convening to forum guidelines") -
Nose Jobs: Thai Fashion Statement or Beauty Fail?
watthong replied to JK-Trilly's topic in ASEAN NOW Community Pub
Not what I think but what I see rather. Between what your statistics show and what I see with my own eyes, I tend to believe the latter. If nothing else it's based on real life that happens around me. So there's nothing to be "surprised" about. Here's my own "statistics" as quoted earlier on, -
Nose Jobs: Thai Fashion Statement or Beauty Fail?
watthong replied to JK-Trilly's topic in ASEAN NOW Community Pub
Could be. But then again in my neck of the woods, the ones that look natural don't look good at all - though much preferrable to looking "awful." That's why I had to "litterally stretched" my neck whenever I saw one that looked "very good." -
Nose Jobs: Thai Fashion Statement or Beauty Fail?
watthong replied to JK-Trilly's topic in ASEAN NOW Community Pub
This nosejob eyesore has been my pet peeve for quite sometime. Glad that OP beat me to it. That's what the forum is for. If I don't like a topic, I keep my nose out of it (pun intended.) -
Nose Jobs: Thai Fashion Statement or Beauty Fail?
watthong replied to JK-Trilly's topic in ASEAN NOW Community Pub
Around my neck of the wood (Samut Prakan) I litterally stretched my neck sometimes to see if one "looks very good." If lucky maybe one in a long long while. (In such case I had the urge to ask for her autograph.) Perhaps you have better luck in more cosmopolitan parts of the city. -
Nose Jobs: Thai Fashion Statement or Beauty Fail?
watthong replied to JK-Trilly's topic in ASEAN NOW Community Pub
It seems that Thai surgeons pay zero attention to the nostrils, leaving them either like sails flapping in the wind, or recipient of rain water afterwards. I think the industry has not reached that level of sophistication. Maybe it takes a generation or two. -
Nose Jobs: Thai Fashion Statement or Beauty Fail?
watthong replied to JK-Trilly's topic in ASEAN NOW Community Pub
Thai nose jobs make for "arresting" look and I mean that literally. I imagine a Thai woman walks into a beauty clinic, points to a Cleopatra nose or a Pinocchio nose and tells the doc, I want this one then settles down into the operating chair. No further discussion. My inguisitive eyes always cause me to do a double take whenever they spot a face with a nose that doesn't look like it belongs both aestheically and un-bionically, which are 95 percent of the time. The following incident tells me the phenomenon has reached epidemic proportion: The other night I was sitting in a songthaew outside the mall that was waiting to fill up. One female staff coming out of Lotus climbed in. She saw the lady driver sitting on a bench nearby and yelled out: New nose eh, does it hurt? I looked over and sure enough the other lady sporting some bandaged over her nose. I looked back at the Lotus lady, and again sure enough, she also sported a spiffy shiny new nose, straight as a rod. The worst part is some nose job makes the person looks like they have just survived a traffic accident of some sort. You can't just avert your eyes from...that what I meant by "arresting look." -
How is True sim cellular performance
watthong replied to watthong's topic in Mobile Devices and Apps
Those sim package (1 day/week/month cited above only work if you have e-wallet or something like that in order to renew,) which farangs are not allowed to have. Now come to think of it, if for testing only then I don't need to renew do I? anyway I think I will have to just jump for the 1 yr unlimited since it's the only option available right now. Any other option/courier you can think of please share.