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7 hours ago, faraday said:

I meant to add...

 

When I compare Thailand's response to C19 with the UK, it is very clear which country has been most responsible.

 

Speaking with my sister two nights ago, when I told her of the procedure on entering BigC or Tesco's for example, she was amazed.

 

Then, just look at the mortality rate.

 

So yeah, I finks Thailand's done good.

 

 

You are talking nonsense. 

The only difference is that Thailand take temperature which is completely irrelevant if the person is asymptomatic which is believed to be the case in over 50% of people with Covid. All of the supermarkets where I live, people have to queue outside, maintaining at least 2 metre gap, you are only allowed in when someone leaves. We have to walk around the supermarket in a oneway direction and maintain social distancing. You then have wait to be called to a free checkout that has glass screen to divid customers form staff. People are advised to wear masks and gloves. All trolleys are sprayed down and clean after use 

44 minutes ago, robblok said:

Not a hypocrite at all.. I guess your from the UK not wanting to accept the failure of your country (one of the worst in Europe). My country has half the rate and is still light years away from Thailand in death rate. 

 

You call it luck (part of it might be so) but Thailand has taken far more measures as my country. So its not all luck. Whenever i call and tell people about the temperature checks, the masks, the hand sanitizer and now the tracking they all say oh we dont do any of that over here. 

 

Limited testing has nothing to do with deaths. You cant hide deaths not if they are in the numbers of the UK and my country. The ICU was almost overflowing it was a real concern. If Thailand had this then we would have seen it. So its not about testing.

 

I guess many Europeans and Americans just don't want to admit that their governments screwed up and that they handled it poorly. If it was just the hot weather then why is it such a problem in South America (also higher temperatures not as high as in Thailand but still).

 

Most people take every opportunity to bash the Thais and then when their own home countries are doing bad they are finding all kinds of excuses why its not so. Guess the nationalistic feelings never go away for some.

 

 

Wow, you are clueless. You keep banging on about the amount of deaths and seem to think this indicates how well a country has done; it doesn't!

You are trying to compare Apples to Oranges! As mentioned before Europe and the US have been hit by a mutated strain which is spreads more easily and has a higher mortality rate than the original strain of the virus that hit most of Asia and the middle east, this is a fact. There is also the fact that a large proportion of Thai's have "outdoor" living and many work outdoors as opposed to europeans who live in sealed homes and work in confined offices and factories. the Sun and Temperature play a role in the mortality rate, as shown by the MUCH lower mortality rate compared to cool countries. 

You say "Europeans and Americans just don't want to admit that their governments screwed up and that they handled it poorly" and "I guess your from the UK not wanting to accept the failure of your country". This is utter bullcr*p. You tell me how Thailand have handled it better, what changes you think they made or actions they have taken that you think are better then Europe? If you bother to do even minor research you will see that Europe has taken far more aggressive actions than Thailand and in many cases much earlier than Thailand . 

Testing: UK has tested 50,929 people per million, Thailand has tested 3,421 per million. 

The UK is currently testing over 100,000 people a day compared to Thailand's 3,300

There is one area that I will concede that the UK hasn't done well in and that is contact tracing.

I'm so bored of reading nonsense about how much better Thailand have done at controlling the spread and mortality of Covid19 over Europe when they have factually been far more relaxed in there measures then most European countries especially considering that Thailand was the first country outside of China to be hit by the virus. 

Bar charts from BBC News on 7th April. 

Link to source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52103747

20 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

I emboldened and added asterisks to the word "fact".  I apologize but it was necessary to highlight the error.

 

All of these things you have pointed out are merely theoretical possibilities, currently lacking in any suficiently convincing data or scientific predictions that have withstood falsifiable tests. Absolutely NONE of them are fact.

 

There is too much fake news spreading around already. I get tired of hearing everyone treat science as equivalent to opinion. It is not. Finding any genuine science on this disease in the forest of people that present their opinions as fact is exhausting. Opinions continue to be used to justify policies by governments as if opinions counted as facts.

 

This is fundamentally wrong. While I understand governments use this illegitimate tactic to control populations for their own agendas, we do not need to adopt their egregious habits.  We need to be better than them. We need to accept that nobody genuinely knows what is happening here, and we likely won't know for many years in hindsight.

 

Until this point, everyone's opinion is just that, and nobody's opinion should ever be considered fact.

 

 

Please feel free to provide evidence that any of the points I have posted are incorrect. Everything I have posted is from Doctors and Scientists but if you know so much better happy to hear where I was wrong

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

Makes as much sense as your batty theory.

What Batty theory? Please enlighten me on what you're referring to? 

50 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Claptrap - indeed your post is! Whilst it's true to say much much more research needs to be done to determine the different effects in different countries, the Thai people have and are behaving far better than citizens in other countries. The UK has and is still shambolic.

 

I visited a shopping mall yesterday. First time since the easing. Very impressed at the precautions on entry, on entering individual shops within the mall and the general sensible behavior of the vast majority of the people in the mall.

 

 

You clearly don't live in the Uk so how would you know "The UK has and is still shambolic.?" Yes there are a few morons who don't follow lockdown rules but most do. I would say that the UK government was slow to react and they should have made face masks mandatory in public. From the video's I've seen in the media, there is no social distancing in Thailand, markets full of people, BTS, bus stations etc. 

The UK are doing over 100,000 tests a day, how many are Thailand doing? 

The UK is likely to be the first country with a vaccine, that is due to be completed and available September, when is Thailands due to be ready?

42 minutes ago, Mulambana said:

I was reading an article that European genes have weak immune response. It was caused at the dawn of human evolution when interbreeding between neanderthals and modern human was rampant in Europe. But Australia and New Zeland have very low case fatality rate and compares well with Asian/African countries. This virus is very enigmatic. Every time one finds a theory, a counter example negates it. 

You talk utter <deleted>!

The article also said "research suggests" e.g not a fact and it also stated "Previous work has shown our ancestors had interbred with Neanderthals 55,000 years ago, possibly in the Middle East."  Since when is Europe in the Middle East?????

Further quotes from the article:

"The analysis shows the man was more closely related to modern East Asians and Native Americans than to today's Europeans."

"This sample, despite being in Romania, doesn't yet look like Europeans today," said Prof Reich.

Do your research instead of spreading lies!

Pretty much every comment is pointing to the fact that countries in South East Asia have more sun and thus higher levels of Vit D which in part is true and the higher level of vitamin D will help fight the respiratory infection, it will not provide immunity. 

The fact is that America and Europe has had far more cases and a higher rate mortality is due to:

1) Delay in implementing lockdowns

2) Delay in stop international travel or in case of the UK not stopping it at all!

3)Governments not enforcing the wearing of masks

4) People taking the illness to lightly and comparing it to Flu

5) Poor nutrient intake of Vit C, Vit D and Zinc

6) While it has been shown that COVID19 can survive in temperatures of 60c higher temperatures and UV from the Sun prevent or decrease the ability and length of time the virus can survive on surfaces and in the air. 

But beyond all of the above and the main factor is Asia has been hit with the original L strain which is less contagious and has much lower mortality. The US and Europe have been hit hardest by the mutated S strain that came from Italy and is far more infectious and deadly. 

This is the reason for the wide difference in cases and deaths

6 hours ago, Oldie said:

But "we" are not all ????

Then why live there you miserable old git?

Plenty of other places in Asia that will suit the quiet boring life you seek

4 hours ago, CLW said:

Good reaction and emergency braking of the car driver. No airbags?

No ABS brakes either by the sound of the squeeling tyres 

No matter what happens in Thailand the Baht will remain strong. In 2011 when Thailand experienced flood and many internation business had to close the Baht barely moved. 

1 minute ago, ChouDoufu said:

man, meet straw.

no further comment.

else all will be deleted.

No please comment further, isn't that what forums are for? 

9 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

are you saying that because it's true, or you really want to believe it?

 

legitimate news sources are reporting small clusters in a few cities, as expected, with higher numbers caught by testing at border crossings and airports.

 

if i were to base my world view on propaganda sites like "china in focus" i'd get validation for how i really wish china would be suffering and nearing collapse, but i wouldn't be getting the truth of the situation.

 

i could repeat that everything the ccp says is lies, that 21 million cellphone subscribers died, that 5000 urns were delivered daily, etc.  and when those talking points got debunked enough times, i could move on to the next unverified accusations.

So you are saying that everything that comes out of the CCP is the truth and they didn't fail to inform the rest of the world about the Virus back in early December or that the virus can be spread through Human to Human transmission and the CCP silenced the doctors 

10 minutes ago, Ranshoko said:

Look at the history of infectious diseases, the worse in the last several decades have come from China. Why? because of the filthy wild animal practices prevalent there. The human race will eventually become extinct, most probably because of an irreversible virus initiated from China. You can laugh but this is reality  ......... live your life to the full, may be it old, young, decrepit, or otherwise. 

It certainly seems that there is a major issue with some of China's practices that cause these animal virus to mutate or spread to humans and despite this happening numerous times China have been very relaxed about taking action to knock the cause on the head. After the SARS outbreak China did initially impose measures to restrict wild animal sales in wet markets but for some odd reason they allowed the practices to continue again a few years later. I feel it is quite right the CCP face legal action for the death and misery they have caused to over 200 countries!

2 minutes ago, P100 said:

It was reported Thailand to be transformed into a safe place for worried tourists. This is not the way to let Chinese come in an then try to sell Thailand as a safe destination?! What damage of reputation is Anoutin trying to do to the Thai people?! Is it only incompetence or is there corruption too?

I find the way the public relations have been handled during this whole situation to be disgusting. How Farangs have been demoted and demonised and how Thailand has kissed China's <deleted>. Sure Chinese account for a huge number of tourists but that's only due to tour groups who spend next to no money in local Thai businesses. Most Farangs I know spend between £300 to £500 a day and some are blowing a lot more, excluding hotels. I would go so far as to say that this daily budget is probably the same as the average Chinese group member spends during their entire holiday. 

6 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

Really, I heard a report a few weeks ago about locking down another city with a population of 10 million, after which it has gone quiet. So is China having a second wave? The worldometer data is not showing it as you say. 

I use worldometer but as far as figures coming out of China is concerned it is simply reporting what it is told by China. 

China has reported less than 8 cases a day for the past three weeks and no most days it reports less then 3 which for a country where the virus originated with a population of 1.2 billion is simply not believable. There is also the issue that China has not reported a single death for the past 2 weeks. If you visit Youtube and watch a couple of episodes of "China in Focus" or "China uncensored" it is very apparent that there is definitely many more cases then is being reported. 

6 hours ago, overherebc said:

Pre virus I was reliably informed by a Thai who had returned from studying in UK that the service from the UK doctor was very poor. When I asked why? I was told she had gone to the doctor with very bad flu ( remember pre virus ) and the doctor had suggested I just stay home, rest, drink lots of fluids etc. He refused to give me any antibiotics or tablets to cure me. Very poor service.

They are so naive, handing out antibiotics like its candy, no wonder there are so many strains of antibiotic resistant infections. They really don't get the difference between a viral and bacterial infection. My Thai wife thinks doctors in the UK are bad because she can't get to see one immediately and this is even after I explained that it's done on priority, those who are seriously ill get seen immediately, those with minor issues have to wait. I gave up

5 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

Read the article for the UK regarding Oxford University trials. 

Yes, I believe that Dr Sarah Gilbert from Oxford Uni has stated many times that she is 80% hopeful that trials will be successful and they will have a million doses ready to go September this year. 

18 hours ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

Read a report that a Yank  company named Gilead Science is already in the third stage of testing.

I'm sorry but you are completely incorrect. Gilead are looking to repurpose an existing antiviral drug called remdesivir which they are hoping will be effective in treating the symptoms of COVID19, it is not a vaccine. 

What are you talking about, Gold has climbed approximately 25% over the past year!