ryandb

3 minutes ago, Dolf said:

It does not matter what my opinion is nor yours. Thailand is no the place to fight cops, that's a well known fact.

 

Are you a Kiwi?

No, I'm not. I'm a believer in people's individual rights, and being a cop does not mean you can infringe on them. I've never said it was wise to fight the cop but between 6ft under and fighting the cop, I'm going out swinging. Hopefully, you'll never find yourself cornered with one of the really bad ones.

Just now, Dolf said:

You might want to check the map. US laws don't apply to Thailand.

follow the thread for this conversation, someone stated resisting an arrest is a crime everywhere, this was just a rebuttal

but we already know you don't like to wait to see all the evidence before you make a judgement

4 hours ago, zakalwe said:

False misquote per Wikipedia. Also this case is from 1893, lol.

Internet meme[edit]

Plummer v. State, along with Bad Elk v. United States,^[14] is cited in Internet blogs and discussion groups but often misquoted.^[15] The misquote is that "citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary" although the Plummer quotation is a fabrication because the quoted text does not appear in the text of the Plummer opinion.^[16] Several other sources note that Bad Elk is no longer good law,^[17] what one legal commenter stated was a "bizarre, irrational or merely grossly wrong understanding of law...."^[18]

Modern sources describe Plummer and Bad Elk as applying when there is an unlawful use of force rather than when there is an unlawful arrest; under contemporary law in the majority of U.S. jurisdictions, a person may not use force to resist an unlawful arrest.^[19]

it's on the constitution site....

here's another then

“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

Just now, Dolf said:

Trying to stop 2 unlicensed guys from breaking the traffic rules. They responded by assaulting him doing his job.

 

Give them 3 years jail then deport the scumbags.

The traffic offenses are not proven, and again you are just assuming that they just took the cop down and took his gun (which he had in his hand) without the cop doing anything to elicit the reaction.

1 minute ago, jvs said:

Have you noticed?

This happened in Thailand and not in Kansas.

yes but he said anywhere in the world..... 

5 hours ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

I don't know of any country where resisting arrest is considered self defense.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

4 minutes ago, Nip said:

You are clearly as big a gob daw as they are. I doubt they would do it in the USA or anywhere else. They would be char grilled in a funeral home by now. ASEAN should have intelligence tests for all posting on here. You are lucky they don't.

Why exactly? Because I believe in evidence before public lynching. It seems you guys all believe the police would never overstep the boundaries despite thousands of videos to the contrary in existence.

2 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Has this Tiger muay Thai involved.

We can't have these guys attacking people 

Do something!

What's your obsession with Tiger Muay Thai, did you lose money betting against Petr Yan last weekend?

13 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

These weren't Jews running from the Gestapo. It was a couple of guys running away from a traffic ticket and who escalated things to the point that they were holding a gun on a Thai policeman. There are other, smart ways, to handle a situation where you think you are being robbed (of which there is no evidence in this current incident). But a smart person would have acted like the Taiwanese actress a year ago, who paid the bribe, then went public, and got results: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/six-thai-police-officers-indicted-for-extorting-money-from-taiwanese-actress/

 

This is how a sane, high IQ person behaves. 

You nor I have no clue what happened before the video, but you seem so convinced they were not cornered into this situation. It's really mindboggling how some from a snippet of a video and the police statement think that they know the entire story.

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you a NZ yobbo too.........?  😬

Nope but clearly, you have a bigoted view of NZers, do you apply the generalizations to people who share the same race, religion, or sex also?

8 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Stupid comment.

It's not, you don't comply with tyranny (not saying this was an instance of tyranny before you get confused) when a Police Officer does something to you that is wrong and the only way to save yourself is to defend yourself then you have every right to do so

If you are fearing for your life which might be the case here, might not as well, would you rather die on your knees or die fighting?

39 minutes ago, ryandb said:

But you do not assault police officers. Ever. Anywhere. At any time. For any reason.

This is what you said, and I completely disagree, like I originally replied, would you drop your trousers and touch your toes if the police asked you to?

3 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

"But talking about who was taking the video and trying to guess their state of mind is conjecture" - WRONG!:- 

 

 "the two foreigners were infuriated and allegedly attacked the police while having the incident recorded by the police."

 

To repeat myself, if the person taking the video was another cop (See above!) why didn't he/she jump in and help? I guess it was to make sure that they had enough incriminating evidence on the pair of Kiwis.

But I also would like to see any video evidence of the original roadstop.

Yes guessing the state of mind is by definition conjecture as we do not know it!!

Ah I missed the recorded by the police, but it still doesn't change what the video shows which is the only evidence at this time but very weird if that was a cop why exactly they didn't draw their weapon (assuming they were carrying) especially when once the guy took possession of it.

4 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

I was replying to your comment because it does seem odd that someone (Not CCTV) was taking a video of the situation, and from what has been said already, it would "appear that" that person is another cop, and I was implying that if it was,why didn't he jump in to help? 

I was thinking its a civilian tbh, but I don't know, if the video started from exactly the point we see which is might not it seems they are coming out to see what was going on (probably hearing shouting and the scuffle) which is why the other guy tries to explain.

2 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

There have been quite a number of posters here saying there must be more to this. But you do not assault police officers. Ever. Anywhere. At any time. For any reason. That only ends one way, and in many countries in you being shot dead.

Just drop your trousers and touch your toes eh? or you prefer getting on your knees instead?

5 minutes ago, Cabradelmar said:

Hard to argue with video evidence. The second guessing about a "possible" unjustified traffic stop, subsequent shakedown, or fears of persecution will never justify or negate what's in the video. It was a TRAFFIC stop. There are now only excuses, made by 2 NZ guys with more brawn than brains. You have to be boarder line psychotic to escalate, even an unjustified traffic stop, in broad daylight, in front of witnesses, by even the worse of cops, asking for money, to a wrestling match over a live firearm. Until more people in Pattaya, Phuket and Koh Samui become enraged by the level of lawlessness by foreigners, and stop blaming the police, nothing improves. And that's the saddest part of all. 

You are referring to a small snippet of video of a much larger incident, we don't have the facts. We don't know who escalated the situation either, we only know the 2 NZers restrained the cop and took his gun and discharged it.

1 minute ago, sambum said:

 

What does THIS have to do in any way with the point I was making about who was taking the video?

Well, you were replying to my comment so I stuck to the parameters of what I said.

But talking about who was taking the video and trying to guess their state of mind is conjecture and does not add anything to the story right now, once they make a statement or their statement is released then that will enlighten us.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Is that the grammar police I see?

Na, just friendly advice not to call people idiots.

4 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

"I've only seen video of them restraining the cop,...."

 

And who was taking the video? obviously someone pretty close to the situation who does not appear to be fazed by the fact that a gun is being waved about?

What does this have to do in any way with the point there appears to be no evidence of road traffic offenses besides what the Police said happened?

2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

So what?

It were 2 foreign idiots who should be jailed for a long time then deported and never allowed in again.

If you call people idiots, please re-read your post before clicking post.