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There is a great article here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html

"Chinese scientists posted the genetic sequence of the virus ravaging Wuhan in January 2020, and researchers everywhere went to work. BioNTech designed its mRNA vaccine in hours; Moderna designed its in two days."

Sanjay Gupta made a short video visiting the Pfizer facility. The bigges challange was to make this vaccine  (made in hours!!!!!!!) to scale up.

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Is it the manpower or raw materials?   

Redundant Quality control mostly.

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

ONe thing that annoys me is all the Chinese customers that I have boasting about how they are back to normal, and actually have been for months. I suppose they have all had the vaccine. 

China was using lockdowns in a way no other countries would dare to use. Welding entrance doors in condo complexes, etc. I don't have their stats on vaccinated people, but they are far from being completely vaccinated.

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Why can't the companies step up production? 

Actually they do. They announced new factories in France and other places. However producing more vaccines are a little more difficult than brewing more beers imho ????

46 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Reported conspiracy post and subsequent replies removed.

Off: Congrats to the mods here. ???? 

I had a chance to read this idiot flat earther's conteos. Jesus some people are just really stupid. 

On: All I'm saying is Thailand is doing waaaay better without doing anything special than many others. Maybe they have special antiviral chemtrails ???? If they can keep the mortality rate low during this new outbreak I have to admit that they do something extraordinary, but I still don't know what would that be. ????

44 minutes ago, Rocking Robert said:

Because  a lot of people don’t wanna recognize such a good job Thailand  has been doing keeping them safe

There have to be some other reasons too. As a matter of fact, Thailand didn't do much more than other countries did. Many countries had more strict lockdowns, more vaccines, better hospitals, etc. What did Thailand do other than banning alcohol when it was a flare-up in cases. Last year when the virus was new, yes they had a curfew, but after that, life was pretty much normal here. Other than checking temps and wearing masks (only inside) I can't recall anything special which Thailand did.  And yet, we have low case numbers. (these low numbers can be due to lack of testing or under-reporting of course) but fatalities which you mentioned can't be swept under the carpet in thousands.

3 minutes ago, Rocking Robert said:

I believe the death rate in Thailand is correct.Only because of all the ex-pats that are living hereThey are mostly old and had pre-existing conditions and if they start dying you know we would’ve heard about it

I've been saying this a long time ago, but it seems doesn't resonate with many people here. ????

6 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

FYI. I think I have covid. (99% sure). Don't worry, I'm not in Thailand so you won't get it from me. Tomorrow I'll go get tested to find out which variant I have. What I have discovered is that many people here in Canada aren't aware of all the symptoms.

I started with headaches. I was a little dehydrated so I just started rehydrating. The headaches continued. Then came a little bit of runny nose. Then I had a loose stool (haven't had one since Philippines last year). Then came arthritis feeling in my left hand. (never had before). Next was a bit of a sore throat feeling but not like any sore throat I've ever had before. Just a few sharp little pains now and again. And today, I started getting a bit of a cough. Never a fever but some chills and shaking now and again.

I have started treatment with the Iceman's regime. Look him up on youtube. Unfortunately it would be difficult for you guys to do it without buying a large ice maker. But for me, I'm swimming every morning at sunrise so I don't need any machine. I am going to get control of my immune system.

Good luck to all - I would pray for Thailand but I have no gods to pray to.

My son got covid back in Hungary. Symptoms are mild headache, with mild temperature rise, and runny nose. 2 days later he lost his sense of smell completely, while the above-mentioned symptoms were still present. Being an atheist it might be hypocrisy to say, but thanks GOD he was ok 5 days later. (It was the UK strain)

39 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I would say it's because virtually every disease does this. Every individual is unique and everyone's response to a given pathogen will be different.

 

It doesn't matter which disease or condition you look at, despite there being a statistical likelihood of certain cohorts of people being more susceptible, there will still always be some statistically rare outliers that do not conform to the overall trend.

So true and I'm aware of this. I was pointing out some "strange facts" that are really makes me think. Like this one from an earlier post to this thread. 

The following post a few days old. (1 year figures) Back then the number of death was "only" 95.

"Hungary with a population of only 9.6 Million is recorded 24,000 fatalities. That is pretty bad. Thailand with 70 Million only 95 as of yet. Add a zero to the 95.    950 is still "nothing" in a population of 70 Mill. Add two zeroes. 9500 and many small European countries would take that as their final death toll."

12 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Just to put this in perspective, the Philippines has had over 10,000 new cases and 150 deaths in the last 24 hours. Having said that, I am self-isolating in my home in Kalasin for at least the next couple of weeks until I see how many cases were brought up from Bangkok with the government's blessing during Songkran. My wife is happy enough to do that, with precautions of course.

Well said. Doing the same thing in Samui whether it's exponential or not  ???? 

27 minutes ago, pentagara said:

Deaths follow with a two to three week latency, it's how Covid works...

If you look at the last 12 months, it didn't. It sure does in many countries. I have no idea why Thailand was doing ok. Will this time be different? Maybe. I honestly hope it's not. My business is falling apart (not complaining), but at least we had some fun during the last year, while the rest of the world was falling apart. 

16 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

There have indeed been occasional cases of younger, apparently healthy people dying and of some older, apparently unhealthy people having only mild cases but those are the exceptions to the rule.

 

However the data still clearly show that this disease kills predominantly older people with underlying health conditions.

 

For instance, figures from the UK are typical of the worldwide trends and show that people with underlying conditions have a more than 10 times higher risk of dying than those without.

 

COVID-19 deaths broken down by underlying health condition

 

From this article, here are some figures for Covid deaths as of November 20, 2020.

 

 

Any set of figures you care to look at for Covid deaths by age will also show a vast predominance in deaths among the older age groups.

Thank you for your post. You are right. I can't argue with these facts and I won't. 

What I was trying to pointing out is the secret (Not conteo secret) behind this virus. It is true that mostly elderly people are dying, with pre-existing conditions. Sure their immune system is weak, but so does the immune system of infants, and yet we don't have (thank God) a lot of babies in serious conditions. Why is that? 

My original post was this:

These pre-existing conditions are giving us a false narrative. Most listed pre-existing conditions are not life-threatening. People can live a full lifespan with diabetes if it's checked. Same for high blood pressure. Both can be kept in order with medicines. Obesities. C'mon. Half the country is obese. There's a lot we already know about this virus. Except for one thing. Why does it kill a relatively healthy young person in just 2 days, and on the other hand, relatively sick and unhealthy people don't even recognize they caught the virus. 

Many people just quoting the last sentence, which is therefore out of context.

44 minutes ago, PGSan said:

Err, statistically speaking this is very confusing!  How do 

count details?

Just an example:

X+Y+Z = 10

X= Viral load =?

Y= Diabetes =?

Z= Obesity =?

(There are many more factors at play, I just listed some common ones)

So does X = 6? We don't know. It might be only 3. Eventually, you will get the answer 10 by giving any value to these symptoms. Solving this equation the right way is the answer to covid treatment. (the vaccine is not a treatment. It's a prevention)

19 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Read an article that pinned a lot on interferon......this is produced by your body (as I understand it) to kick start the body's immune system into action........too little and it's too late....the virus gets a good run at you......too much and your own immune system goes crazy and attacks 'you'.......as might be able to tell...not an expert.

Yes. It's called a Cytokine storm. There are lot of unknown details related to this virus. As of today there's not a sure definition of who will get sick and how serious it will be. Sure there are risk factors as pointed out by many. 

"If you take every detail we know equally, then yes, we know a lot about this virus. If you weigh these details by importance then statistically we know nothing."

15 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Initial viral load seem to play a factor in who live and who dies.

Doctors and health care workers who might breath a high virus load deep in their lungs might die, while an elderly person who slowly get infected from his/her spouse might live.

 

Yes indeed. It is one detail that we think is a big factor. How big? We don't know. That's why I answered an other poster : If you take every detail we know equally, then yes, we know a lot. If you weigh these details by importance then statistically we know "nothing". (I mean too little to treat patients differently) 

45 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

I have an idea why...they didn’t report them...it’s a case of occums razor...either they under reported them or Thailand alone in the world has some special resistance to Covid. The simple explanation seems more plausible compared to some miracle immunity not shred by even their close genetic cousins in the region.

It is possible that they under reported the death toll. You are right. But.

The following post a few days old. Back then the number of death was "only" 95.

"Hungary with a population of only 9.6 Million is recorded 24,000 fatalities. That is pretty bad. Thailand with 70 Million only 95 as of yet. Add a zero to the 95.    950 is still "nothing" in a population of 70 Mill. Add two zeroes. 9500 and many small European countries would take that as their final death toll."

I don't know the answer. I'm just bringing up some interesting facts. ????

4 minutes ago, PGSan said:

This surely is saying that we know very little, or not?

If you take every detail we know equally, then yes, we know a lot. If you weigh these details by importance then statistically we know nothing. ????

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

Why do you refer to the whole if Thailand when the topic is Phuket only?

You got me there ???? 

9 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

One thing I dont understand though is why they are saying that this outbreak started in an entertainment venue in Thonglor?

Why? Why, Why? There has to be a scapegoat to cover your incompetence. They can't use the same excuse all the time. Dirty farangs, check. Illegal immigrants, check. Entertainment venues, check. Hoteliers are getting ready.