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2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Just read the news, and not just the pro-Isreal news. If you don't close your eyes, then it's not difficult to see alternative versions of what is going on.

 

This is a good start:  

Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera

 

You're kidding aren't you. I mean Al Jazeera news, the ones with journalists who are Hamas... https://honestreporting.com/journalists-with-hamas-ties-a-running-list-of-honestreportings-top-exposures-since-oct-7/

If you want objective news of the Middle East try Al-Monitor funded by an Arab-American... https://www.al-monitor.com/ they are very well regarded... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Monitor

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I have no problem to call out Hamas as terrorists, but I have no problem either to call Israel as a major part of the problem in the region. As said many times, two wrong, doesnt make one right.

 

Humanitarian workes, is just people to, some seems to forget, and have no problem seeing Humanitarian organizations being taken advantage of, but, there is a limit what they actually do in a warzone, and who influences and infiltrate them on which level. 

Mmmm, not surprised as quite typical of some posters here.
I was responding to your post about IDF approved news..
Soon the defenders of Israel will wake up and claim all lies, and post IDF approved news

I provided you links, none from IDF approved news, which you might care to explore. Then you come up with above?

This thread is about UNRWA, which is clearly a huge part of the problem in Gaza and where ever they operate. They're being called out and hopefully they will be reformed thru further investigation by EU, Trump and belatedly mainstream media.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Soon the defenders of Israel will wake up and claim all lies, and post IDF approved news

Quite incredible the naivety and plain ignorance of some posters. Clearly the anti-Israel luvvies don't research much, or maybe just get their news from Al Jazeera or BBC.

** Textbooks from UNRWA have been under question for years https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-003199_EN.html
** Hamas presence in schools https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/08/world/middleeast/hamas-unrwa-schools.html
** UNRWA was unaware of all the Hamas military infrastructure and tunnels in and around hospitals, schools at all? Really?
** What about the the tunnels they found under the UNRWA HQ building? https://www.npr.org/2024/02/10/1230632741/israel-gaza-tunnels-unrwa-united-nations

Wake up luvvies, read some history about the region and follow the news more closely, other than the inane mainstream. If you want a more objective outlet, suggest Al-Monitor run by a Arab-American.. https://www.al-monitor.com/

It is a highly regarded.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Monitor
 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That'll make a change from shooting at their bases and vehicles as they were doing in Lebanon.

 

 

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1155801

 

‘Yet another’ Israeli strike on peacekeepers’ position in southern Lebanon

And here was I thinking everyone finally understood the UN is farce - a haven for the socialists and activists that has stymied progress in the Middle East through their deceitful UNRWA program, support for Hamas and failure to implement Res 1701 in southern Lebanon. A horrid disgrace and long overdue for a major overhaul.

The IDF wouldn't care to fire on them, as they are used to simply ignoring them.

Strange article for me, and I'm not that keen on massages even if my lovely wife is a qualified massage therapist.

There is scant detail about the Singaporean man - underlying conditions, nature of his death, heart attack?

The Thai lady case has more information and provides a cursory warning about neck manipulation. But still strange - why did the lady go back for more massages, as well as how did this pain lead to death? Reads like nerve pain, that could have been treated with appropriate medication and time.

58 minutes ago, billd766 said:

How about the murder and injuries of Palestinians caused by the IDF under the war crime cabinet orders. Or don't the 43,000 deaths and over 100,000 injured matter to you? 

 

Or the land and properties illegally stolen on Israeli government orders and given to Israeli settlers?

 

or the fact that the IDF stands idly by whilst the few aid convoys that are allowed through are looted. The looters cannot be Hamas or the IDF would have shot them all.

 

However if anybody says ANTHING against Israel they are immediately condemned (only by Israel) as Anti-Semitic.

You're doing exactly what I'm referring to: 43,000 is Hamas number 1. with no attempt to analyze those numbers, 2. contextualize  in terms that conflicts unfortunately cause civilian deaths, 3. exacerbated by deliberate Hamas strategy of using human shields. Of course the death and injured numbers matter, is tragic. So why don't we see much more pressure applied for Hamas to lay down their arms and return the hostages?

I don't condone what Israeli Centre/Right governments have done over the years in allowing settlers to take more land in the West Bank - but have some sympathy when confronted with the reality of Israel being attacked so many times over the decades with either full stage warfare from outside or localised terrorism from Moslem inhabitants.

Do you think Hamas militants wear uniforms? Why would the IDF get in the line of fire when they are there to root out scum, not run the place - isn't that what the UNRWA is meant to do?

By all means, say things about Israel, they're not squeaky clean. No democracy is. However that part of the world has a huge problem accepting Israel's right to exist and can't blame Israel for doing what they do to survive.

39 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Show us one linked news report supporting Hama terrorism from BBC / CNN

** They relay Al Jazeera news for one, which is clearly biased with embedded Hamas "journalists"
** They parrot the Hamas death toll numbers, without trying to break down those numbers or provide context of civilian casualties in warfare, let alone call out Hamas human shield strategy
** They barely covered the atrocities of October 7

Support comes from what they blithely ignore, a notable feature of MSM these days. Hence why they criticise, look for any disparaging angle from the likes of Twitter and Joe Rogan.

15 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There is clear evidence in the amnesty report. Denying it doesn't make it go away.

Appreciate if you could summarise the clear evidence Amnesty provide on "genocide", as all I read are generalities and quotes.

Struggle with regular coverage on the hardships endured by Gazans, when they have to move elsewhere, after IDF direction to get out of harm's way. The activist journalists typically trip themselves up. And their equally blinded readers don't see the contradiction.

Don't the school buses have surveillance?

Just as we condemn Christian extremists, pretty much wiped out during the Renaissance, it seems the Moslem extremists are immune from their horrid fundamental beliefs. Where do these beliefs come from and how should they be addressed?

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

could be fake news.

psychological warfare. always make yourself look like the victim.

 

I'm tired of reading articles about "anti-semitism". 

the wars in the middle east need to end.

plain and simple. 

 

"the wars in the middle east need to end
plain and simple"

Then go and and end it....

unless you can get Extremists to become Moderates, like most of the human race
Including Jordan, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, while their neighbors are finally getting it
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/saudi-survey-says-nearly-half-back-moderate-islam-few-support-internal-protests-or

On 11/27/2024 at 3:16 PM, newbee2022 said:

Amazing short way on your graphic from your point to the right. Meaning you like really to follow a convict with all his erratic ideas? And since we have no evidence about his health I suspect him to be sick, very sick, indeed.

I admit you as a worker don't have the ability to overview world wide politics. But maybe in Thailand it's enough to see up to the top of the next palm tree. No offense.

Not sure what your point is - convict with erratic ideas? Maybe to you, but Trump is more popular since he's been re-elected because people resonate with his "erratic" ideas. The horrid Democratic lawfare will stop, unless Trump unleashes too much revenge - hope he doesn't. Most of those charges were so lame, and ultimately backfired.

As far as the distance the new Left luvvies have moved - think about it: revising history, allowing illegal immigrants from a multi billion trafficking industry into countries with many entitlements, dumping Western civilisation concepts, changing pronouns so kiddies urged to not say Mum, Dad, Uncle, Aunty; guys on hormone drugs competing with women, environmental extremism against miners & farmers, yet in Australia we're losing swathes of land with koala casualties to make way for things to provide energy when the wind blows.

The issue with the chart is there is hardly enough room to portray the Loonie side of the Left.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I'm not at all shocked.

What does shock me is all the billionaires marrying second hand wives.

Jeff Bezos with all his money finds himself a 50yo woman .......... why?

 

On the other hand,

Leonardo DiCaprio gets it right by trading in his used 25yos for new 18yos every few years. 

Lauren Sanchez is in fact 54 years old, very well kept and much accomplished.

Leonardo is a bit of a strange one, wonder if he'll ever find a keeper.

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Says a Guardian reader 

More to the point, article is from The Times, not The Telegraph 😅

Perhaps Trump will insist that some folk at the soon to be revamped Dept of Justice, seek data and publish what is becoming anecdotally apparent from numerous media reports in Europe and I expect replicated to some degree in the USA.

What do you expect of young men brainwashed by some clerics about sexuality, and the worth of women in society. It happens all over the world. However genital mutilation, forced marriages, female subjugation is notably more apparent in some Islamic societies e.g. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, as well as predominantly Hindu, India. I say some Islamic societies, as in my model Islamic countries of Indonesia and Bangladesh, women are treated with respect and have held high office positions for decades. So this is not an Islam beat up per se, but the issue should not be ignored.

Here's a report from the UK on forced marriages... https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/forced-marriage-unit-statistics-2022/forced-marriage-unit-statistics-2022

I recognise sexual violence is committed by all races, but suggest it is higher in some ethnic/religious groups than others.

7 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

Out of topic: clear symptom of Biden Derangement Sindrome and aterosclerosis progressing steadily. You live in the past and still fight yesterday's battles.

 

Nah, and still out of topic, suggest those clinging to the New Left with their focus on environment extremism, history revision, anti-Western civilisation sentiments, identity politics (vs Old Left, where I still see myself) are living in the past and people are sick of it.

The trend is back towards the centre, even if it takes another dose of Trump to make substantial strides in the US. Watch the New Left dominoes continue to fall in the next few years, as already commenced in Europe, NZ, and Trudeau's going to get hammered.

45 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

Have you read the article? Do you understand that the Biden administration is concerned and disagrees with the ICC ruling?

Or do you just keep repeating the same anti-left slogans (some of which I might agree with too) like a broken, atherosclerotic record?

 

For your information, this is an excerpt from the article:

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I am referring to Biden's use of Justice against Trump and others, not the ICC ruling where I'm pleased Biden stands with Israel.

Yup another left leaning media outlet trying to frame the election disaster as only due to cost of living from inflation.

Nothing to do with extended lock downs in left wing states, excessive bureaucracy in so many areas, (DC voted 92% Democrat), environmental extremism, pithy foreign affairs, woke everywhere including education and porous borders.

The left induced media continue to shoot own goals with their hubris, e.g. Biden was mentally fit as a fiddle, until everyone could see he wasn't and by then it was too late.