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1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

You raise an interesting question vis a vis sinovac compared to other vaccines.

 

start at the beginning. sinovac is better than nothing. So it’s reasonable to assume more would have contracted the virus and died had they been given nothing. That’s point one.

 

next, should the authorities have got a higher quality vaccine in terms of efficacy. Yes of course, but for whatever reason, they didn’t. That’s point two.

 But the next issue is the one that interests me. Now that they are where they are (2 doses of sinovac, delta infections, cases of vaccinated doctors rising, is it now possible to boost with additional doses of different vaccines?

 

I’m interested because in the eventuality that I actually get offered a vaccine in Thailand, it maybe sinovac. So do I take it so as to get some protection now, with the eventual aim of getting another vaccine later?

 

If I do that, the issue for me is, what does a double dose of vaccine do to my body? We aren’t talking tried and tested here, it’s all fairly experimental.

 

I’m not expecting an answer and I’m sure people will differ in their opinions, I’m just offering up the issue of just how many different vaccines can you pump into your body within, say, one year? 
 

I’m veering toward taking whatever I might eventually get offered now, then Pfizer/Moderna if it becomes available next year. Still, at the back of my mind  there’s a niggle about such a cocktail inside of me. Just taking sinovac now and nothing later is expedient, but  a temporary solution really in my mind.   Variants  have already overtaken that vaccine in my view.

 

anyway, there is no right answer and it is each to their own.

 

I have read some reports that dual vaccines seem good, sorry I did not save the articles.

Also some good reports of the Sinovac oit of Turkey; 80+% effective against the original strain.

8 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

I hate to correct you, but article in Bangkok Biznews says 2000 tons (2,000 ตัน, would be 2 million liters in >water<, 2000 cubic meters).

Sounds more plausible, 2000 liter is just a traffic crash with a small tanker. Would not make such a blast.

(I have a 2000 liter water tank in the backyard)

Yes, my neighbors said the same, that it was 2,000 tons.

1 hour ago, Bangkokhatter said:

Good to hear you are safe, do you know if the hotel is accepting bookings ?

I don't know, but will ask.

They seem quiet, so probably have rooms.

There has not been a lot of airport business for some time.

18 hours ago, DineshR said:

Try this. https://www.chularat.com/vaccine/

 

I did register and paid 2400 for 2 shots. They said they will let me know via sms what my queue number is.

It is all in Thai so get a Thai person to help with it if you can't read Thai.

My wife signed me up at Airport #9 Hospital, one of the Chularat group.

Same deal, 2400 baht advance pay and wait for SMS.

A message acknowledging receipt of payment would be appreciated, and of registration somewhere in a qeue.

What has happened to the health forum?

This was of importance given the number of retirees in all of Asea.

13,116 days booked, not rooms.

We live in Bang Pli, in a fairly nice village.

I walk out three or four times a week, and am frankly horrified by the amount of trash in the canal flowing through, and the amount of trash thrown on the side of the access road.

I may be the only farang in the village.

All Thai people doing it, though my wife gave me grief for throwing a bit of chewing gum out the car window.

Two very distinct classes of folk here.

1 hour ago, WingFat said:

Good luck with Kelly doing anything about it.

Republican?

Kelly has already signed the letter urging Blinken to rectify the situation.

1 hour ago, WaveHunter said:

I'm doing that myself and everyone else should too! You may not get an immediate reply, but those emails are actually read by staff members contrary to what most people might think, and if enough are received, actions are often taken.

 

If all we do is whine and complain on this forum instead of taking some action, we have only ourselves to blame for what we're going through. 

 

It's such a simple thing to make your voice heard to your own US Senator and Representative.  They all have websites with email contact pages.  It takes perhaps 5 minutes to fire off a message.  So....JUST DO IT ????

 

Fired one off to Senator Mark Kelly.

Stop the testing... a page from the Trump book.

Wife and I don't mask at home. A half kilometer away, though, is a slum compound where numbers of people mingle sans masks, etc. My wife says the are all from Myanmar.

I know many go off to work at factories, driving truck, security guard, and so on. Part of why Samut Prakan is a "deep red" zone.

Its a muddle, to be sure.

13 minutes ago, Lazybones said:

Been working very effectively in Australia

And in NZ, and China.

Lockdowns are not intended to "stop" the virus, but to slow the spread and hopefully gain a breathing space (deliberate word choice) to vaccinate, disinfect, clear ICU units, etc.

On 6/20/2021 at 8:12 PM, shdmn said:

No it is not a 'theory'.  The quotes I have read mentioned lower than expected production output.  That implies cell culture yield which was expected because it's the same problem every other new AZ manufacturer experienced, not shortage of materials.

Lower cell culture yield is a  defacto subset of "material shortage"".

I think this is all new tech for Thai production facilities. Some delay not unexpected, especially as more experienced facilities seem to be seeing similar problems.

11 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Yes thats true.  Be curious how that pans out and how they do it logistically.

Hopefully we get Moderna here sooner than later.  Until then stay safe.

The French, logisticaly, aranged for Thai  hospitals to administer vaccines supplied by the French.

I don't recall reading how they transport the doses.

Diplomatic (Big!) pouch?

38 minutes ago, Thai Visa Member 999999 said:

Since Biden has rightly emphasized vaccinating illegal immigrants and seems to have decided to not vaccinate Americans abroad, isn't that precisely what he's doing?

Mr. (President) Biden I expect had little to do with the State Department policy, much of which is inhabited by denizens of former administrations.

His greatest responsibility is to 330 million at home. The 5 to 9 million (depending on which "guestimate" you choose) take a more distant level of concern for the US CEO.

13 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Getting vaccinated with AZ here in Bangkok already, my appointments for tomorrow.

That's great, Ryan. How did you get an appointment?

My wife has been calling around and gets the "Thais only!" dodge. And of course the Thai intervac site did not work for most and is now simply off line.

Even my "connection" (hospital nurse relative) in Mae Hong Son has been told "no foreigners".

????????????

42 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

 

I can comprehend and i can also comprehend that you will get your jab here before you would get it from the US even if they 'mobilized' today. Hats of to the French, out of interest are they doing it everywhere across the World?

I don't know, frankly. Just referring to an article about the Thailand French embassy.

You are probably right re: getting vaccinated via US embassy. 

It would require the will to do it, and the American Foreign Service seems not to be very helpful to citizens these days per policy.

28 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

 

I saw a figure of 9+ million, anyway thats by the by.

Can you not comprehend how much man power, diplomatic and logistic that would take to organize?

What happens if some countries would not allow it?  You just say forget that? By the time they could organize it everyone will be jabbed anyway.

In Thailand for example how much manpower, nurses would they need to vaccinate 30,000-40,000 people? Where would they do it? Who is going to do all the administration? Its a massive massive task- i think you are underplaying how much resources it would take to do.

Can you not comprehend that Covid is a global emergency?

The French are

doing it for their citizens in Thailand. Is the US less capable than the French?

4 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

I estimate Thailand has a little under 500k deaths per year. Are we sure these people were not very elderly and going to die soon anyways from natural causes? 30 deaths a day is only 10k/year, a tiny fraction of all deaths.

30 deaths per day is 10,950, not 10,000. You're off by nearly 10%.

Sorry, but that calls into question your other "estimates".

On 6/19/2021 at 1:44 PM, smutcakes said:

Sure a little bit more, but was in response to a poster who is incandescent that the US is not organizing vaccinations for those citizens abroad. God knows how many millions that may be.

4.8 million civilians, at the moment. The estimate does not include military, temp workers, "accidentals" ( people born to non US citizens during stays on US soil, e.g.).

Drop in the bucket for a total population of 332 million, a bit less than 1.5 %.

That would require organizing roughly 30,000 innoculations for each of the 163 diplomatic missions the US has worldwide.

?????

Establish and/or enforce helmet laws.

Farangs overburdening the medical system is, I think, baloney.

Preventable road carnage is far more of a problem I expect.

What is likely to cost more, a tourist who breaks a leg, or some idiot driving the wrong way on a motorbike and no helmet who now needs lifetime care for head trauma?

18 hours ago, jobsworth said:

In the wild elephants have places where they lick salt, which they need for their health. These salt licks are thousands of years old. Maybe his salt lick has been redeveloped.

According to the report this particular chang is known in the area. His normal salt lick may just be too far to <deleted> with when humans keep handy bags of it just the other side of wall with a big open window.

Usually see the kids standing on the floor boards in front of the driver, but still without helmets. 

My wife said from listening to TV report that he was after some salt.