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2nd or 3rd wave in Hong Kong is taking place despite the fact that everyone there has been wearing a mask.

Does a mask help then?

20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Those isolated may have been exposed to a 43-year-old crewman of an Egyptian military plane in eastern Rayong province and a 9-year-old girl and family member of a Sudanese diplomat in Bangkok.

Terrible! Danger! Exposed to a man!  Was it a man or a piece of radiation that walks on streets and kills everyone in an instant who looks at it?

On 7/8/2020 at 6:21 AM, Eric Loh said:

If radical right Judge Jeanine folded like an accordion to finally admit to wearing mask to prevent being infected with COVID-19, deniers take heed or they may be the next victim or worse when their family catches the virus. Can’t understand why is a simple task of wearing a mask is so intensely objected by ever Trumper. Like sheep going down the cliff with him. 

https://trofire.com/2020/07/07/fox-news-viewers-freaked-out-because-judge-jeanine-wore-a-mask/

Because wether or not you wear it, even if you wear it 24/7, you will catch the virus sooner or later.

Therefore, one should focus on his immune system rather than rely on a piece of cloth.

On 7/8/2020 at 6:12 AM, Opl said:

but:

a) how do you know if someone wearing / not wearing a mask is/ isn't infected ?

b) how do you know you are spreading the virus if you don't know you are infected?

1) I don't. But that's not my point. My point was "if, and only if"

2) I don't. But that's not my point either. However, one way is to look at one's symptoms. Even if one is infected, but exibits no symptoms and isn't coughing and sneezing to, spitting in others' faces -- a risk, if exists at all, should be minimal, even if that infected isn't wearing a mask.

On 6/11/2020 at 6:55 AM, Donga said:

So blindingly obvious that two people wearing masks in conversation are safer than two not wearing masks.

If, and only if:

a) one of them is infected in the first place

b) the one infected is the one wearing a mask

Then why do medical staff get infected nonetheless and in large numbers?

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

Thailand went in to effective lockdown before covid19 took hold.  And it held this measure in place until there wasn't a single home-grown case.  

wrong

Thailand went into lockdown in the very last moment, putting if off as much as it could, in April, after many of the countries around the world had done it. It should've gone into it 1-2 months earlier.

the chinese covid, probably, had taken hold way before the lockdown occuried, but the government didn't admit it did becuase, probably, it covered up the numbers. They went into lockdown, I think, mostly due to pressure.

16 hours ago, Jaggg88 said:

Right. But I'm talking about those who a) wear masks and b) aren't infected or have recovered. That's 99.9...9%

Or let's even include those who are infected but don't have symptons, unaware about infection, and aren't in quarantine or hospital, and aren't coughing, sneezing. It'll be some, let's say, 10 times of a bigger number. Yet, it'll still be: (100%-99.9...9%) * 10 ===~~ 0.0..1%, namely 99.9..9% who don't need masks.

Just now, Jingthing said:

Virus is spread mainly from droplets. Not only coughing and sneezing. Also talking and even just breathing. Singing, talking loud, and shouting are especially high risk.

Multiple those 0.000001% who need a mask by 2-3 or 5. A difference?

On 6/26/2020 at 3:04 AM, PremiumLane said:

ahh the old 'herd immunity',... to get this you would have have 50-70% of the world's population getting Covid (based on current research), now think about the death toll that would take. And that is not even factoring in if it will actually work.

 

officially, discovered - around 10 mln have been infected already

non-officially - might be 10x-20x = 100 mln which is around 10-20% already

Say, a person has recovered, whether it be in a hospital or on their own, or especially if a person wasn't aware he was sick -- assymptomatic and wasn't tested.

Yet, almost in every country over the course of, supposedely, a year from now on, he'll have to present a certificate with a *fresh* test. Each test costs around $80 in any country. And it must be fresh - 48 hours priour to a flight, otherwise a person won't be allowed to board a plane.

Or undergo a quarantine. Or get tested uppon arrival, even if it's for free.

Right?

1 hour ago, taxout said:

The problem is, passports don't always have stamps showing where you've been the past 14 days. Not to mention thumbing through every passenger's passport trying to make sense of all the stamps would be time-consuming. A certificate in which you self-certify where you've been the past 14 days -- under some draconian penalties if you lie -- would be one alternate approach.

You're unable to prove your travel history for the last 14 days because there're no stampts? Then you're deemed citizen of a country of your passport and viewed as if you spent the last 14 days there. That may be not fair, but how else, if you can't prove otherwise?

maybe those fallen with dengue are actually, or the majority of them, have chinese covid? the doctors report them as sicken with dengue to avoid panic and keep the numbers low.

3 hours ago, Anton9 said:

This is false, the actual death rate is less than 1%, basically zero for young and healthy individuals.

The 6% is calculated on confirmed cases which are a huge underestimation of total infections.

* don't forget that among the cases that's not and won't be confirmed, there're deaths too.

* besides, how can you calculate the death rate of the total cases confirmed provided that most of the cases are still active, more than 50% and therefore the outcome of those isn't known

2 hours ago, totally thaied up said:

Yet the million dollar question is why Thailand did not suffer like others. We had the Chinese in here by the bucket load, yet it seems it did take off. What stopped it? That's my question.

Partially - manipulation of the numbers. Why tell the world bigger if you can tell the world smaller numbers?

Partially - lack of testing. Less tests - less discovered cases.

When some people are infected and they're not suffering badly to bother to go to the hospital, they'll recover by themselves and no one will ever count them.

Partially - "yes, you're infected, but you're not infected with the chinese covid, you're sick with A, B or C." And that cases won't count as a chinese covid case.

Partially - the food in Thailand and other  countries here and hence health of the people too  is better than in, I guess,  eu, uk and us.

On 5/27/2020 at 12:42 AM, pegman said:

China will soon be the largest  economy on earth. Better they gain influence by building and financing infrastructure rather than  dropping bombs like the Americans did in this region not that long ago. Prior to the pandemic Cambodia and Laos were booming because of Chinese investment. 

1. How soon? 1 month? 5 years? 10 years? One can't even predict the pricies of oil for the next month.

2. You've never heard of Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan, inner Mongolia, for instance, and how peacefull China behaves there?

3. Or jibuti, Sri Lanka, Cambodia, South China Sea where China, by building infrastructure initially, has ended up building military bases?

4. Yeah, Cambodia and Laos were booming. China came and gave them money for free, asking for nothing in return. Likewise, people are also booming when they take credits in the banks.

Explain me the point of measuring the temperature.

* If a person is infected, the virus may be in the incubation perion - 14 days, or some say up to 21 days, hence the temperature will be normal.

* Or a person may not exhibit any symptoms at all, even if they're ill and 14-21 days have passed.

* Or only mild ones.

* Or a person may be ill with something else.

Outcome: next to no point.

one should count not only cases, but only the proportion, percentage, of deaths of those cases (which are way less than in the US, generally EU and UK), how many of those require hospitalization (less, too) and how many tests have been condacted thus allowing to identify those cases in the first place (2nd place by the amount of test in the world, after the US).

more identified cases, hence, are better, or least not worse, that less, but not identified or undereported ones, like in Thailand, Indonesia, China.

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You are factually wrong. The current Corona virus was first detected in Wuhan but the origin has still not been determined.

Yes, yes, yes.... Chinese propaganda is working on you.

4 hours ago, Russell17au said:

Well, it has been proven that the first case so far had never been to China and had no ties to China.

Where is the proof?

By whom proven?

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