Phillip9

21 hours ago, NaamGin said:

In the mean time, I will continue to quote what the drug companies themselves state about the efficacy of the injections... 

Heres the same info straight from the drug company themselves. 

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/real-world-evidence-confirms-high-effectiveness-pfizer

Almost no one was allowed to travel from Thailand to japan anyway.   Japan's borders are closed tighter that Thailands.  Only Japanese citizens and a few other special categories of people are allowed to enter the country.  

Yep, it should be quite entertaining to watch if they actually try to open.  

Anyone want to bet how long it will be until there is an outbreak, they shut the whole sandbox down, close the beaches, and lock new arrivals in their rooms until they can ship them back home?

39 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

This clearly demonstrates that any technology needs time to become safe. It is safe to fly on the modern aircrafts. But thousands of people had to pay their lives before the aircrafts became safe enough. And what about cars?

Would you fly on a Chinese designed airplane?  You think their cars are safe? 

Vaccine manufacturing is complicated, and China doesn't have the experience western pharmaceutical companies have.   They will probably repeat many of the historical mistakes western companies made decades ago.

3 hours ago, Thai Visa Member 999999 said:

Inactivated viruses always result in inoculated coming down with the disease with very low event probability.

Actually, historically there have been incidents where quite a lot of people have come down with the disease from inactivated viruses.  Polio is a well known example where an inactivated virus vaccine killed thousands of people.  

Anyone thinking an inactivated virus is the safest vaccine is completely misinformed.  They have a poor safety record and don't gives as strong of an immune response which is why western countries avoid them now if there are other alternatives.

Maybe they have read some of the CDC reports on covid in gyms, so they realize gyms are quite high risk.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7009e2.htm

5 hours ago, NaamGin said:

none of the vaccines will keep you from getting the virus or transmitting it to others... This has been stated by the vaccine manufacturers themselves... The only thing it does is to lessen the symptoms

Complete and total misinformation.

From the US CDC:

"A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

2 hours ago, Poet said:

11 hours ago, Phillip9 said:

No EU company was advanced enough to do any of that.

Astrazeneca.

There is a good reason why biontech didn't choose astrazeneca as their partner.  Astrazeneca has no mRNA manufacturing expertise.   And look at the botched job they did running their clinical trials--they accidentally gave half their trial participants the wrong dose.  

On 5/30/2021 at 8:55 AM, Felt 35 said:

Thanks for replying. So in theory and in my case, who not have been out of Thailand or to my home country in Schengen area for nearly three years I should be good to go following this "present within the following countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States"

Felt.

You won't have any problem entering the US if you are coming from Thailand.  In theory, you are supposed to voluntarily self quarantine for 10 days (7 if you get tested after 5 days).  But there is no enforcement, and it probably won't even be mentioned to you when you arrive.  A few states like Hawaii still may have stricter rules, so its best to google the state's requirements where you will arrive.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/after-travel-precautions.html

2 hours ago, Poet said:

Pfizer is merely distributing the vaccine that Biontech, a German company, created.

You seem to have forgotten that pfizer did all of the clinical trials, created and scaled up the manufacturing process, and is the company actually manufacturing a billion plus doses this year.   No EU company was advanced enough to do any of that.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Are you a science denier...can you not look at the entire graphic and not see that cases are dropping dramatically?

Sure, in January and February they obviously dropped dramatically.  But are they currently dropping?  NO

Are they near zero after the elderly and vulnerable got vaccinated as your original post claimed?  A big NO

Deaths have hardly dropped at all in the last month.  They went from 695 on may 1st to 656 on may 29th.  They are actually higher now than they were 2 weeks ago.  You are probably the only person on earth that would call that dropping dramatically.  

16 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

If the 7 day average is 656 but the cases on the last day of that period is 338 (half the average) it tells me cases are falling fast. 

It's seriously hard for you to look at the chart and understand that weekend deaths reported have been about half of weekdays every week for the last 6 months?   Seriously?

9 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

i lived in cm a long time and after watching the vids going out to eat would be problematic, though still possible looks like obe would need to trek around for it.

I haven't been to CM recently, but certainly in the farang tourist ghetto areas everywhere in Thailand eating can be a challenge.  Most everything is closed, and at the couple of open but empty restaurants you see you have to wonder how fresh the food is.

If you leave those areas and go to areas that cater to Thais, you will find the normal selection of delicious thai food.

33 minutes ago, Poet said:

2 hours ago, Phillip9 said:

Here in the US all we get is a plain paper card with the vaccine hand written on it.

I said "advanced countries".

Strange that the US is not "advanced" in your view when it was US companies that developed all of the best vaccines that everyone in the world is begging to buy.

7 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

If I get a UK autumn booster jab on say October 1st , can I come October 2nd , as I am already covered by the first two jabs, though the booster was on 24 hours before. 

Why are you even thinking so far ahead?  No one knows what the requirements will be next month yet.  Maybe Thailand will make some rule for your scenario once people are getting boosters.  Who knows....

47 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

 

i would watch some youtube vids first. i just watched one of chiang mai. it's a ghost town. everything is shuttered.

 

Phuket is even worse.  More than 95% of the restaurants, bars and shops in patong,  karon and kata are closed and boarded up.  It looks like the end of the world has come.  I think the first tourists to arrive will be seriously disappointed.  At least the beaches are still nice.

33 minutes ago, MICHAELDUTCH said:

1.You only "quarantaine" (not really) for just 7 days
2.The Hotel costs are 50% less then the ASQ Hotels in Bangkok + you must stay 14 days!
3.After 7 days,i am free to go.........and that will be BANGKOK ,where my wife lives
4.A plane ticket from Phuket to BKK is less the 1000 baht
(1 minus point = you must pay on day 5 the cost of the test),,,i think thai charge you 3.000 bht

All together you will save 10-15.000 baht + 1 week less quarantaine
You be back Phuket-Bangkok in 1h 25 minutes

Why i should pay 30.000-40.000 baht for 2 weeks "prison" + 3 TESTS

You seem to have missed the multiple news stories that have said you will have to book a 7 day package tour to visit phuket that will cost between 150,000 and 200,000 baht.

https://www.traveloffpath.com/phuket-still-on-for-july-reopening-despite-thailands-surge/

1 hour ago, Poet said:

Most advanced countries, apart from the EU, already have some form of verification app.

????????????

Most advanced countries have a verification app?   Can you name more than one country?  Here in the US all we get is a plain paper card with the vaccine hand written on it.  No talk at all of anything else like an app in the future.

You may be able to visit Phuket in July, but the details haven't been announced yet.  Everyone is waiting for the announcement.  

Don't get too excited about it until they announce all the costs and restrictions.  I would expect it to cost many many times the typical trip to phuket and you may have very limited freedom.

41 minutes ago, Ken Yamagata said:

Compared to other person's stories, who is visiting pharmacies, seems to get a lot of medical questions asked but I'm personally got relieved since those are my concerned points.

Glad to hear you got your vaccine.  
 

At the pharmacy I got my shots (CVS), I registered online.  There were a lot of medical questions asked online during registration.  At the pharmacy, in person, they didn't ask anything except for my ID.  This may be easier for people who are not native english speakers since you can read through the questions and take your time.

20 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

338 yesterday...and falling quickly.

Yesterday was a weekend.  A lot of states don't even report death data on the weekend which is why only the 7 day average matters.  I understated the 7 day average which is 656, and as you can see below, its not falling much at all.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Probably as member Sezze said, once you vaccinate the elderly and medically vulnerable (maybe 20-25 percent of the population) deaths basically drop to zero. 

The US fully vaccinated virtually all elderly 3 months ago, and they still have about 500 covid deaths every day.

1 hour ago, Sametboy2019 said:

Israel have gone down to no covid deaths with 60% vaccinated

But they are using pfizer, a much much better vaccine than anything Thailand will use.  
 

You have to look at countries using the same vaccines as Thailand.  Look at Chile, 55% vaccinated with mostly sinovac, still a disaster and cases continue to rise.  Also look at Seychelles or maldives, high vax rates and disasters.

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

Did you read the part about where it's temperature stable? 

The cold temperature requirements of the mRNA vaccines has been drastically overdramatized.  It’s not a problem at all except in extremely remote areas without access to dry ice.  They can simply be stored in the special shipping containers they come in by adding more dry ice ever few days.  
 

Who would want an extra bit of unnecessary DNA floating around in their blood just because it’s cheaper?