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14 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

You have to ask yourself if 1 death in 100 days is worth the current economic chaos Thailand has put itself through?

One death that we know of.  Even they admit there are more cases out there.  Especially now with migrants coming across the border illegally.

Great news.  Free flow systems have been in use globally for decades.  

They've said it's possible the virus is still in Thailand.  Just no new cases detected:

 

There is still a small possibility of Covid-19 infection in Thailand. “Though this possibility is slim because Thailand has been free of local Covid-19 for more than 80 days, it can still happen,” he said.

• There is a possibility that the patient has been infected from overseas, and they may carry a small amount of genetic viral material that is difficult to detect. “After the patient arrives in Thailand, they may test negative at first but turn positive later as was seen at the start of the outbreak,” he said.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1178639-14-day-quarantine-may-not-be-enough-says-virologist/

Quite a few workers crossing into Thailand illegally from Myanmar have tested positive. These workers are in places like this guy was working. 

47 minutes ago, diks said:

That information was first released by the New York Times and only repeated by OAN.

show a link to the Times article. OAN is a horrible source for news.

The head of the Thai medical agency has always said the virus is still here. Just undetected. Until now....

He's also said the reported numbers are low.

We went to a hotel yesterday that was on all the major booking sites and it has been closed for at least a month. 

We've found that it's best to visit the hotel in person. Many are doing upgrades so only a few rooms are available. Many more have said they will close at the end of this month. 

We've gotten some great deals negotiating in person. 

20 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The CV deaths are in addition to the road deaths.... not instead of them for the most part...

 

So my original point stands. This is heading toward 1.5 million people in the world dead this year who wouldn't otherwise be dead... on top of all the other "normal" causes of deaths -- heart disease, cancer, etc...

 

At least in the U.S., road deaths are fairly far down on the list of the top causes of death annually... Cancer and heart disease are the top two causes pretty much every year... And this year, a totally new cause, coronavirus, is likely going to be #3 in the U.S.

 

It's #3 now. The US has done a terrible job dealing with the virus. All due to politics. 

Look at the chart here. Terrible. 

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21366624/trump-covid-coronavirus-pandemic-failure?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sentences 82420&utm_content=Sentences 82420+CID_8a6e77c9e833370101de7ae7bcdfc6cf&utm_source=cm_email&utm_term=How Trump let Covid-19 win

1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Hi Jeff it's not fake it actually happened in 1918 and they called it the Spanish flu.In 1957 Asian flu pandemic killed 1.1 million people.

 

The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. Lasting from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people–about a third of the world's population at the time–in four successive waves. The death toll is typically estimated to have been somewhere between 17 million and 50 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.^[

 

your post indicated it happened yearly. It doesn't. And that was a decade ago! LOL

10 hours ago, Manger2 said:

One should go to brighteon.com and in the search box type in "Plandemic 2 Indoctornation ". Watch the video to keep informed.

Fall for fake news and conspiracy theories much? LOL.

18 hours ago, DrDave said:

... which is exactly why "slowing the spread" when there's no viable vaccine on the immediate horizon will prolong the devastating impact on global economies.

If consumers won't go out due to fear, the impact will be devastating. Either way, the impact is devastating. No easy answers here.

16 hours ago, Reigntax said:

Almost 250,000 people die daily in the world from all causes. The only thing lacking in the Covid response is reality and perspective. More than 1 million people die every year from misquito associated diseases. 

Those making all the decisions are still getting paid. I wonder if the decisions would be different if they also lost their incomes.

Comparisons like this don't make sense. They've been trying to get a jab for mozzie diseases for decades. No luck so far.

It would be great to see those in charge lose their incomes just like those they supposedly are supposed to help.

“Snowden is a spy who should be executed—but if … he could reveal Obama’s records, I might become a major fan,” Trump wrote in October 2013, in a tweet that also made reference to Obamacare.

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2 hours ago, DrDave said:

Several years from now, when people's thoughts once again are driven by logic and common sense, rather than kneejerk emotion, we may very well find that the cure was worse than the disease.

 

Of the reported 800,000 global deaths, it's not entirely clear how many are a result of COVID, and COVID only. That is, deaths in which there were no pre-existing, underlying conditions versus inevitable deaths that were accelerated by the virus. We may never know.

 

What we will know, however, is the long-term effect of the "cure". In the US alone, tens of millions have lost their jobs. Many millions more have been condemned to irrecoverable financial ruin, particularly small business owners who had invested everything in their businesses that will never re-open. Government assistance to help those affected comes at a steep price, which will be borne by our children and possibly grandchildren for many, many years to come. Consider the rest of the developed world, and the economic impact is staggering.

 

Those countries that have effectively shut down their economies in order to slow the spread are essentially betting that a viable vaccine and/or treatment will be available well before the virus will have run its course through the general population. It's a risky bet. The longer it takes for the virus to run through the population, the more resulting economic damage. As we know, "slowing the spread" flattens the infection curve, but at the same time, lengthens the overall timeframe resulting in a relatively equal number of infections in the end. To further complicate the shut-down decision, it's not certain whether the final death toll would be significantly different comparing a shorter versus longer timeframe for the virus to work its way through the entire population.

 

The decision makers had to weigh a well-defined economic and social impact on one hand, versus many virus-related unknowns on the other hand. Only time will tell whether they've made the right decisions.

One of the things you need in order to get the economy running again is consumers spending money. Some 75% of Americans have said they won't go out if the virus is raging. Which it is. Until the virus is controlled, the economy will suffer. 

22 hours ago, Yahooka said:

Its not scary at all.Off the millions that will get infected with Covid-19,a few thousands will die.But the long time effects of the worldwide lockdown will be much worse than the disease will ever be.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/08/from-lung-scarring-to-heart-damage-covid-19-may-leave-lingering-marks/

22 hours ago, Yahooka said:

Its not scary at all.Off the millions that will get infected with Covid-19,a few thousands will die.But the long time effects of the worldwide lockdown will be much worse than the disease will ever be.

Tell the millions suffering life long consequences from covid that it's not scary. Good luck. P.S. more than a few thousand have died.

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-long-term-health-covid-19-impact-lungs-heart-kidneys-t178770

More than a third of of patients, or 35%, not sick enough to be hospitalized still weren't back to normal up to three weeks after testing positive, according to a survey published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in July. Those who had lingering symptoms mostly complained about fatigue, cough and headache.

31 minutes ago, Yahooka said:

The millions that will suffer the long time consequences is from the Worldwide lockdown,not from the virus itself.

Millions will suffer life long consequences from the virus also. Sad some are willing to toss the sick and elderly under the bus just to be able to go to the bar.

With that being said, no easy answers. Read what's going on in New Zealand. Scary.

3 hours ago, surfinglife said:

Meanwhile many more dead from other communicable diseases...so perhaps your reading of the "news" is very selective. Cheer up, COVID is not that bad, I should know, I've had it! Thailand's tourist industry suicide is a lot worse.

Do you consider cancer and heart disease communicable? LOL

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-united-states-this-year

1 hour ago, Scot123 said:

I think his sources are fine. Maybe research away from main stream media. Try comparing with malaria or even the annual flu death figure which in my country are over 40,000 annually but now for the first tim ever are zero when C19 death with Covid (which is not the recognised method of recording as should be caused by) coincidentally is 40,000 deaths. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to see through the lies. But I suppose it's better to believe a man who has not seen a single patient in 40 years than actual doctors on the front line.

I don't get my news from MSM.  Sad some bash one of the smartest people in the world with regards to infectious diseases. 

2 hours ago, possum1931 said:

How many died in the Asian flu globally  back in the fifties? Reports say about 3 million, how many dead globally so far in the present covid?
Of course there was not the social media and internet back then, no schools or airports closed, no borders closed.

I am not saying this as fact, but supposing there were no schools, airports, borders etc, closed in this pandemic,  would so many peoples lives have been inconvenienced and so many livelihoods lost?

Isn't it worth thinking about?

 

You need a better source for your news also. 12k to 60k die each year from the flu. With very few having life long consequences. 

I hear ya on the economic consequences. But compare the US to New Zealand. The US screwed up. Big time. Thailand has done great and we're able to go out without worrying. The tourst segment is screwed. But not sure that's a bad thing. It was out of control here.

Don't forget. Many won't go out if the virus is raging.