scammed

you could perhaps ask your parents for a 400k loan

and park it in a thai bank indefinitely,

or move to france where she will be eligible for state money.

and you yourself sounds like you are eligible for disability pension, but you need to be in france and work on that

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

I like 'em also... the strawberry topped cheesecake one in particular... Not too big, but just enough to satisfy a bit of a sweet tooth craving after dinner.... at a crazy good price.

 

I believe their cheesecake slices have the traditional crushed graham cracker crust type base... At least, that's what it looks and tastes like. And the cheesecake part is more on the light and creamy side, vs the thick/heavy and cream cheesey varieties that are sometimes made.

 

BTW, there's also a sponge cake / pudding cup and a couple other Japanese style deserts they're stocking that are equally good... nice clean fresh taste, not overly sugary in the usual mode here.

 

looks like you live in bkk, but in case you are in pattaya,

friendship supermarket on south pattaya rd has a strawberry cheesecake in a plastic glass for 98 that is spectacular, just the right blend of sweet and sour

and i havnt seen anything that matches it in its class

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

 

Do you really believe when riding a motorcycle 'counter-steering' is a theory and not something real ???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i believe you are talking about something so obvious

that it wasnt worth the space, to promote the idea that a bike should yield even if that yield is off the roads

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

IF given the choice - a slide on the dirt or a head on collision with a car ?

 

 

 

 

both are painful, his only option was pain,

he could only hope the villain in the car would fall back

im guessing if she had been driving a bike, the verdict here is that she shoulda have taken evasive action and wasnt a good driver

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

I like 'em also... the strawberry topped cheesecake one in particular... Not too big, but just enough to satisfy a bit of a sweet tooth craving after dinner.... at a crazy good price.

 

I believe their cheesecake slices have the traditional crushed graham cracker crust type base... At least, that's what it looks and tastes like. And the cheesecake part is more on the light and creamy side, vs the thick/heavy and cream cheesey varieties that are sometimes made.

 

BTW, there's also a sponge cake / pudding cup and a couple other Japanese style deserts they're stocking that are equally good... nice clean fresh taste, not overly sugary in the usual mode here.

 

can you take a pic with your phone and reply to me so i can know what you refer to ?

28 minutes ago, Johnny Mac said:

Will have a look, does it come with rice, and is it sold nationwide?

 

Has anyone seen the cheesecakes they do now for 35 baht? Red, purple and yellow toppings, crispy base? They are the real deal, very nice indeed,. In some hi-so bakery they would cost 100bt up.

shaped like a triangle with strawberry toppings ?

yes they are good value

is it in the freezer or refrigerator ?

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It's clear we are not going to agree on this.

But I do hope you learn you ‘counter-steer’ so that when faced with trouble you have that response in your skillset so you can avoid an accident where braking alone wont help. 

 

Additionally, I hope our discussion has given cause for other motorcyclists who may not have known about counter-steering and object avoidance to look it up and learn about it - hard on the brakes is not the only option.

 

you are theorizing, its clear that you have not had someone cut you off on a bike, and have only some vague memory and ideas what it might be like to drive mc

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed - that makes sense... in all likelihood the dog would run out of the path of the motorcyclists thus rendering any ‘overreaction’ unnecessary and dangerous. 

 

 

 

I completely disagree - there was room to avoid the head on collision. IF the motorcyclist had time to brake has hard as the bike would allow, there was also time to counter-steer and manoeuvre the bike to the side of the road and avoid the head on collision. 

 

In any similar situation an experienced motorcyclist would take the bike out of the path of the on coming vehicle rather than rely on ‘brake and prey the other car also stops. 

both lanes was occupied, he had only the dirt left, and that is not an option at highway speed, he would have gone down if he had made an attempt

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

With each and every response you are becoming more and more irrational. 

 

Are you seriously comparing a collision with dog to a head on collision with a car ?

 

Will that old biker tell you speed up and ‘push through’ the oncoming car ?

 

I get what you mean with the Dog, or a cat or any animal....   but the reason for that is if you take evasive action there is a strong possibility they will move into your path again and then you have lost some stability which when combined with an impact quarantines a spill.

 

That said, when a dog runs out you can try and take evasive behind it, the same when a motorcycle pulled out etc (head for the space behind it not in front).

 

 

I drive both a car and a motorcycle on a regular basis and I’m most certainly not placing the blame of the accident on the deceased - A car pulled out into the path of an oncoming motorcyclist and is 100% to blame for the accident. I have not deviated from this opinion of blame. 

 

That said: Anyone who rides a motorcycle, with the exception of yourself, can see that the motorcyclist ‘could’ have counter-steered.

 

 

You mentioned he had no where to go because driving onto the sand / gravel at 90kmh is lethal - I disagree. 

Lethal means sufficient to cause death - a skid off a bike with no impact will be messy.

 

You can’t seriously be suggesting that accepting the head on collision is safer than avoiding the head on collision and risking dropping the bike and sliding / skidding etc..... 

 

Are you really suggesting the rider evaluated the risk of skidding vs the risks of a head on collision and chose the head on collision ???? - thats utterly preposterous but that is how your argument reads. 

 

Some of your responses are outrageously illogical. 

 

 

 

There is a very simple fact:

IF the motorcyclist was experienced he may have counter-steered away from a head on collision.

Its on the shoulder its very possible that he’d drop the bike and receive injuries - but they’d be far less life threatening. 

 

OF course, no one faces an oncoming collision and evaluates the risk of injury. But the first and foremost instinct is in the split second to avoid collision. The deceased in this case either suffered object fixation and / or couldn’t counter steer out of the path of collision. 

 

no, the reason was not that the dog would somehow

run faster than the bike to get in the way again,

the reason is that the attempt to take evasive action is too dangerous.

the best he could do in this situation is to break as much as the pcx allow, which aint much, and pray the car would abort and fall back behind the truck

its not the speed that cause accidents, its the sudden stop,

and the sudden stop stems from the fact they were cut off from their trajectory in their lane

2 hours ago, Excel said:

And who exactly will be enforcing this ? The RTP  can noteven  enforce currently speed limits 

they cant even measure what speed you keep, but that doesnt stop them from giving speed tickets

good part is im on the way to leave for good

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Ok... you don’t understand....  

 

Have a look at some counter-steering videos on YouTube....  it’ll help you get it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljywO-B_yew

 

 

 

Even on your slippy road, unless you are travelling at a very low speeds (<15kmh) you are counter-steering without knowing it even to a small degree. 

 

At higher speeds counter steering and knowing how much input is needed to turn quickly is an essential skill to avoiding incident / collision.

 

The point I’ve been wanting to make about ‘counter-steering’ all along is that while you mentioned the deceased motorcyclists couldn’t have made the bike move that much by ’simply leaning alone’ (because there wasn’t sufficient space (quote: he’d need a landing strip sized for boing 747)) he could have adjusted trajectory much more quickly and in a far shorter distance if he had counter-steered.

.... of course, if his input was too great for the speed he may have lost traction and dropped the bike, or he may not and he’d have shifted his bike onto the shoulder in a split second.

 

 

You mentioned in your initial comment that ‘attempting to manoeuvre on a bike even at 50kmh leads to a  loss of balance’....      IF you do ride a motorcycle, you really need to understand counter-steering and how the bike balances and turns, it may save your life. 

 

   On 5/31/2021 at 2:54 PM,  scammed said: 

attempt to maneuver on a bike even at 50 km/h leads to loss of balance, you need a landing strip sized for boeing 747 to wiggle it out until you are (maybe) safe.

 

there is a misconception here that the biker rules the trajectory, but it aint so, its momentum that rules

 

 

This video is quite graphic but it highlights the importance of understanding counter-steering in an emergency. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVE79XT8-Mg

 

 

as an old biker told me when i started going to mc clubs,

dont try to take evasive action if a dog gets in the way,

rather speed up to push it away.

the reason is simple: attempt to take evasive action

is a recipe for accident, you lose control.

the fact that you keep arguing for attempt to take evasive action shows me you are hypothesizing

how it can be done.

it really cant, you are in for a world of pain if you try,

im making the assumption you are driving car on a regular basis rather than a bike, and you arent trying to give well meaning advice, you are trying to put the blame on a biker on a pcx who got both lanes blocked by oncoming cars, he had nowhere to go except the wilderness, driving out on the shoulder sand is lethal at 90 km/h, nobody can keep balance there at that speed, he knew it, i know it, but apparently you dont, or pretend that you dont

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

The momentum of ‘anything’ determines trajectory, but the gyroscopic forces of the spinning wheels generate a significant degree of a motorcycles balance. 

 

Agreed, you can’t fall off a car - if thats the point you are trying to make... you have seatbelts too etc...    but none of that means an accident is unavoidable and fast action can be taken. 

 

 

That is incorrect......  the suggestion above implies you do not know what ‘Counter-steering’ is.... You probably did it as a kid on a pushbike without realising you were doing it.

 

 

Counter-steering: To turn left quickly push the left handlebar forwards which generates the desired lean angle to the left then bring in the handlebars to steer. 

 

Steering by simply leaning alone and then turning the handlebars once the desired lean angle is achieved generates a much slower response and is far less effective at greater speeds. 

 

 

 

 

 

no, on the fine sand here there is no counter steering,

you lose what little grip you had and the bike fold underneath you. you are theorizing

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Actually, the gyroscopic forces of the wheels provides a great deal of stability and this needs to be countered to manoeuvre quickly - this where experience of a rider counts. 

 

Its clear in the incident you described an inexperienced rider ‘grabbed’ too much front brake (a common issue and one whereby ABS is essential safety tool for any new rider).

 

 

BTW: I’m not blaming you for causing an accident. A similar event has happened to me. In my car I’d nosed out onto busy a road (in Bangkok), the type of road and traffic density whereby if we don’t edge out and take advantage of the smallest gap we will never get anywhere (assertive city driving). A car stopped to let me out, 3 motorcycles had also stopped, I was across the road then I heard the ’scraping’... A motorcycle has not seen the car and other bikes stop in front of him had been surprised, hit the brakes too hard, dropped the front end and slid into the back of one of the other bikes (the accident was ultimately my fault).

 

 

Instability as you call it is actually ‘created’ by inexperience... locking up a front brake, not counter-steering etc. But, the issues which are of little concern to an experienced rider are magnified by inexperience with consequences in an inexperienced rider. 

 

you theorize, in reality its momentum that rules the bikes trajectory, they become incredibly dangerous to be on the moment someone summons in their path,

there is very little to do beside steering into the ditch or throw yourself off the bike, both of which can also be lethal. in a car you have at least 4 wheels so you for all practical purposes cant lose balance, but on a bike you can only ever lean to gradually steer off, any attempt to do more result in loss of balance

1 hour ago, Gulfsailor said:

Yes, left has right of way in Thailand, however this is not the case in other countries where they drive on the left. 

thanks, it turns out i was wrong then,

i have thought about it for years how this dilemma was dealt with

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You pulled out in front of a motorcyclist, caused him to emergency brake, the motorcyclist dropped the bike, probably due to inexperience and most likely due to no ABS.

 

 

 

You are loosing both the front and the rear wheels when pulling out from a soi ???...  are you riding on sand ?

A road next to a windy beach ?

 

Some roads are a lot more hazardous than others due to the quality of surface. 

 

Sometimes under heavy braking my ‘back end’ will get ’squirrelly’ as it looses traction... this happens on some roads more than others (due to poor grip).

Sometimes while making a tighter turn (i.e. a U-Turn), if I get a little too early on the throttle the rear end will slide out a little...  its unnerving and usually happens because the road is a bit too ’smooth’.

 

 

yes, if it hadnt come as a shock to him that someone (me) summoned right in front of him,

he could have calculated that i would have completed the cross long long before he arrived,

but i just recall someone on a bicycle was faced

with an mc that for some reason decided to stop on the lane the bicyclist was using, so the bicyclist fell.

this goes to show that unexpected events can and will go straight to hell because you cant foresee the event chain

and two wheeled vehicles are inherently unstable,

making them useless for maneuvering in surprise conditions

5 hours ago, mikebike said:

Well, you've just lost absolutely any credibility in this conversation.

 

I honestly cannot believe you typed that with serious intent...

 

I have neither the time, nor desire, to go into proving just how insane that statement is.

just two days ago, i pulled out from  a small soi,

someone has a habit of parking the car just before the soi, so i have to literally drive out on the new soi to see if anyone comes. someone came, he had 50 meters and was driving 50-60 km/h, i crossed the road in just 2 sec

but he lost balance as he thought he needed to maneuver to avoid collision.

he could not regain balance and fell down.

the roads here are not covered in ice thank goodness, but they are covered in fine sand,

still to this day it surprises me when i gently rev up and steer to pull out from a soi, and discover that both tyres are slipping and i need to put down my feet like makeshift support wheels.

tldr: momentum rules

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

That makes a lot of sense, but you have also included ‘breaking distance’ to the distance in your interpretation that the head-on collision was unavoidable. 

 

There was no apparent reaction at all from the motorcyclist.

As you point out at 100kmh the reaction time takes up 42m after which time (distance) there was no visible reaction, no reaction at all from the motorcyclist for the full 3 seconds the car would have been in view, no attempt to swerve or move out of the way, no apparent braking *(although thats extremely difficult to tell from the video). 

 

I know, quickly swerving is difficult on a bike at speed on a curve, an experienced rider would immediately counter-steer to bring the bike onto the fringe. I’m not saying the deceased was an inexperienced rider, but I do not see any attempt to ‘manoeuvre’, to swerve, no shift of weight, no moment at all.... 

 

I see no reaction whatsoever from the motorcyclist.....  the option to avoid the head on impact definitely existed, it just seems the motorcyclist didn’t notice the car in his lane (which I find impossible). 

 

 

attempt to maneuver on a bike even at 50 km/h leads to loss of balance, you need a landing strip sized for boeing 747 to wiggle it out until you are (maybe) safe.

there is a misconception here that the biker rules the trajectory, but it aint so, its momentum that rules

either that, or the hype is over the top

on icy roads, this happens in west too