pseudorabies

More over-promising and under-delivering.  Just as we saw with the promises for Siam Bioscience's timelines and production levels.  In the end a bitter disappointment that the government apparently couldn't see coming and didn't prepare for.

Each day confidence in the government's ability to deal with this situation erodes.  Really, it shouldn't be this difficult. I'm worried that with the limited shelf life and temperature sensitivity of the Pfizer vaccine a significant portion will be wasted while the government tries to figure out how to distribute AFTER the vaccines arrive.  Even worse would be if they inject mishandled vaccines anyway just to keep the numbers up. I wish this was hyperbole....

9 minutes ago, dan42 said:

Not surprised seeing images like this yesterday.

 

 

I really want to understand and empathize with Thailand's vaccination program but I really can't. These images are difficult to process. 

Yet another unforced error by a government that has been committing a seemingly endless stream of mistakes.  Mistakes that to most of our eyes make us wonder "<deleted> were they thinking??!!?".  And this by public health officials who are supposed to know what they are doing, well, at least better than most of us here.  What's just as disturbing is that the people in this massive crowd don't seem to understand the dangerous situation they are in.  Knowing the way that this government has been administering vaccines, it's more likely that they walked away with an infection instead of a jab.

13 hours ago, riclag said:

This is separate from the Privates request ,that's suppose to start in October, right  ?

 

I'm calling the Private tomorrow to find out what's going on  with the promise that it would come Oct- Dec.

"Hello Mister .....  You think you get Moderna this year?  Please wait.... I connect you with Psychiatry Department"

So Pfizer's initial offer was for 30 million and Anutin countered with 20?

2 minutes ago, pseudorabies said:

FYI - I found this on the US Embassy's webpage this morning, an offer to get vaccinated along with the Aussies -

 

https://th.usembassy.gov/health-alert-covid-19-vaccine-opportunity-for-u-s-citizens-july-17-2021/

 

Location: Bangkok, Thailand

Event: COVID-19 Vaccine Opportunity for U.S. Citizens – July 17, 2021

The Thai Government has informed the U.S. Embassy that it is offering U.S. citizens in Thailand the opportunity to be vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine at 4 p.m. this Sunday July 18, 2021 at SCG Headquarters in Bang Sue area of Bangkok. (See location map here: https://goo.gl/maps/dFRM8oycooZTtQJW8).

IMPORTANT: Doses are limited. Those who are successful obtaining an appointment will be contacted. If you do not receive a return email verifying your appointment, assume all appointments have been filled.

To register please click on this link: https://bit.ly/USTHvax2021

To get an appointment, you MUST: 1) pre-register through the above link AND, 2) receive an email confirmation from the Thai government.

Do not show up at the vaccination location without the above two things, or you will be turned away. 

Please Note:  By filling out this form, you acknowledge that your information is going directly to the Thai Government coordinating officials, not the U.S. Embassy.

This opportunity is available in Bangkok this Sunday only. You will need to make your own travel arrangements to the vaccination site.

This is a limited opportunity offered by the Thai Government. We do not know when/if similar opportunities will arise again in the future.

Registration information is being collected by the Royal Thai Government, not the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok.  The U.S. Embassy will not have access to information on the form.

Resources for information on local COVID-19 restrictions include:

• Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT): Updates available on their website (https://www.tatnews.org/category/thailand-tourism-updates/) or by calling the TAT Call Center at +66 2 250 5500 or 1672 from within Thailand.
• Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Updates in English available on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/mfathailand).
• Thai Government Public Relations Department: Updates on their website (https://thailand.prd.go.th/main.php?filename=index) and on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/).
• Chiang Mai Province COVID-19 updates: https://www.facebook.com/Chiangmaidatacenter
• Local media.

 

 

Talk about a whisper campaign...

Nevermind... it is full as of 09:45 Saturday.  According to the US Embassy's website this was posted an hour ago, at around 08:45 Saturday.  Amazing.  My guess is that the Thai government just wanted to be able to say that they offered Aussies and Americans vaccines.

FYI - I found this on the US Embassy's webpage this morning, an offer to get vaccinated along with the Aussies -

https://th.usembassy.gov/health-alert-covid-19-vaccine-opportunity-for-u-s-citizens-july-17-2021/

Location: Bangkok, Thailand

Event: COVID-19 Vaccine Opportunity for U.S. Citizens – July 17, 2021

The Thai Government has informed the U.S. Embassy that it is offering U.S. citizens in Thailand the opportunity to be vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine at 4 p.m. this Sunday July 18, 2021 at SCG Headquarters in Bang Sue area of Bangkok. (See location map here: https://goo.gl/maps/dFRM8oycooZTtQJW8).

IMPORTANT: Doses are limited. Those who are successful obtaining an appointment will be contacted. If you do not receive a return email verifying your appointment, assume all appointments have been filled.

To register please click on this link: https://bit.ly/USTHvax2021

To get an appointment, you MUST: 1) pre-register through the above link AND, 2) receive an email confirmation from the Thai government.

Do not show up at the vaccination location without the above two things, or you will be turned away. 

Please Note:  By filling out this form, you acknowledge that your information is going directly to the Thai Government coordinating officials, not the U.S. Embassy.

This opportunity is available in Bangkok this Sunday only. You will need to make your own travel arrangements to the vaccination site.

This is a limited opportunity offered by the Thai Government. We do not know when/if similar opportunities will arise again in the future.

Registration information is being collected by the Royal Thai Government, not the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok.  The U.S. Embassy will not have access to information on the form.

Resources for information on local COVID-19 restrictions include:

• Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT): Updates available on their website (https://www.tatnews.org/category/thailand-tourism-updates/) or by calling the TAT Call Center at +66 2 250 5500 or 1672 from within Thailand.
• Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Updates in English available on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/mfathailand).
• Thai Government Public Relations Department: Updates on their website (https://thailand.prd.go.th/main.php?filename=index) and on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/).
• Chiang Mai Province COVID-19 updates: https://www.facebook.com/Chiangmaidatacenter
• Local media.

Talk about a whisper campaign...

1 hour ago, MrBrad said:

Rather than making it easier to get vaccinated abroad, the Thai government should just make it easier (or rather, possible) to get vaccinated right here.

Agreed.

However, despite having registered for the Moderna vaccine, I've totally given up on getting vaccinated here in Thailand. Unlike the government (hope for the best, plan for the best) I've come to hope for the best and totally expect the worst.  I have no confidence in them to do anything correctly or morally responsible when it comes to COVID. 

When you finish ASQ you are certified to be free of COVID.  But then when you walk out of the hotel you are entering a hotbed of COVID delta variant infections. ASQ made sense before but not much now, particularly for those who are vaccinated. Entry of new variants could be a concern but as we've seen repeatedly virus will get in through Thailand's porous land borders anyway.

Thailand could (and should) make it easier for those who can and want to get vaccinated abroad.  However it would mean potentially losing face which, as we know, is unacceptable.  Even when lives are at stake.

5 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

NO....Johnson and Johnson is single dose. 

Pfizer could also be the second dose of a different first.

I'd take one shot of Pfizer/Moderna vs 2 or 3 shots of the Sino-stuff any day

19 minutes ago, internationalism said:

I would think only the USA citizens at first, when all done, the rest for the USA allies (brits).

If we forgot the Aussies that wouldn't be very noice now would it?

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

No. The EU manufactures both vaccines so it is not true Thailand does not "want" America product.

I believe it is because Thailand cannot get.

As I write many times before, countries make their order 12 months+ ago and these companies are only now fulfilling these orders. Thailand is  at back of the line. Also, countries in COVAX system are prioritized since the vaccines in large part are being subsidised by USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, and Japan. Thailand  refused to join Covax.

Pfizer, Astra Zeneca and Moderna are regulated in USA, UK and EU and subject to strict anti corruption regulations. Vaccines manufactured in other countries including versions of Oxford vaccine are not subject to same regulations.

They are both made by American companies.  Pfizer is headquartered in Kalamazoo, Michigan where the vaccine was initially produced to scale.  Moderna, also a US company, has contracted with CMO's across the globe for manufacturing.  Moderna got a huge chunk of its initial funding by BARDA, a US defense agency.

What you say doesn't make sense - 12 months ago neither product existed.  And numerous countries have placed orders earlier this year and are seeing deliveries made.  The Philippines is a great example where they signed a deal with Pfizer last week for delivery of vaccines in September.  They also signed a deal with Moderna in January and doses have begun arriving this week.  Malaysia has already gotten mRNA vaccines and is receiving donated Pfizer vaccine this week.  So these claims about long queues that keep on popping up in defense of the government don't hold water.  It can and has been done by smaller countries in the ASEAN region.  And as was highlighted in today's news Thailand never even got in line.

Philippines seals biggest COVID-19 vaccine order yet, for 40 mln Pfizer doses - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-signs-deal-40-mln-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-doses-report-2021-06-20/

First batch of Moderna vaccines arrives in PH - https://cnnphilippines.com/news/2021/6/27/First-batch-Moderna-vaccines-arrives-PH.html?fbclid=lwAR2

Malaysia to receive vaccines donated by Japan, U.S. this week - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/malaysia-receive-vaccines-donated-by-japan-us-this-week-2021-06-30/

This afternoon the Mrs was watching a news program that was covering this story.  The newscaster seemed very angry about this.  I've never seen that sort of tone on any Thai news program before.

I don't think this is negligence or incompetence. At this point I think it's reasonable to say that the Thai government absolutely does not want vaccines from America in Thailand.